As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
highburyJD wrote:dI have to come here to find anyone who thinks you're a troll/WUM for supporting the manager
Don't know why im bothering but that is just blatently not true JD
Promise it is - I know quite a lot of fans who are anti-Wenger, more who still believe in him
never have I heard an anti-Wenger fan claim the 'pros' are simply winding them up
or backing the manager to irritate those who are against him
why would somebody pretend to support a manager..?
and re: the rather OTT WengerKnows fans I know
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Sound like right c unts, bet they're selective who they attack too
women and kids probably
never been there when its happened, but heard tell from mates who sit with them
London guys, father and son, I imagine incidents caused by one too many pre-match sherbets
but no, you're wrong
a) they would never pick on 'easy target' people like that. Slightly nuts but not nasty.
b) never thought of this before, but in my experience women and kid Gooners are a particularly pro-Wenger demographic
No you dont understand JD no one on here is labelled a wum troll for only being pro Wenger. They have clearly posted stuff to try to antagonise other posters and for the record the most anti Wenger poster i have ever seen on here in Babatunde in my opinion was a WUM/troll too which is why i wanted him banned long before he ever went.
In short no one is labelled a WUM due to their beliefs just their ability to write things to purposely annoy others
I understood what Vinny was referring to was armchair followed me from thread to thread
claiming anything backing the manager I said was 'trolling' or being a 'WUM'
I said pre-Norwich we should win irrespective of the manager and if we lost it would be 100% the players fault
I, and the manager, obviously massively under-rated them (TBF they were proper gash v Liverpool and Chelski)
I was wrong - I came on here, hands up, mea culpa
even with the turd performance we served up the manager SHOULD have sorted it out
he was hugely to blame for that loss
but despite my mistake, in no way was my original post designed to wind up ARSENAL fans
it was me (stupidly) dismissing the Canaries and over-rating our players
worth noting I admitted my error, more than I remember anyone else doing on here
I was slaughtered for saying we'd easy over-take Villa a while ago
accused of being a wind-up merchant for rating Song
and trolling for saying we'd make CL last year
can't remember many mea culpa's from those who, in those situations, were shown to be just as wrong as I was about Norwich
There is a difference between what i saw as making excuses for Wenger and being a WUM, i have to admit i thought you tried every excuse possible to lay blame away from Wenger but also i accept you held your hands up when it went tits up. If armchair said you were just a WUM then i dont agree with him.
As i said earlier but you havent commented on (not that i expect you to reply to everything) there have been lots of anti Wenger posters caled WUM's and even banned in the past its not just the pro Wengerites, which i think you said earlier
no never thought there was a mod-based pro/anti agenda
I think the mods personal opinions are generally on the WOB side
but sid (normally good poster) got a ban for an over the top angry post
and Baba (IMO rightly) was banned for his constant personal abuse
I'm sure I've posted silly things when annoyed too, and been resolutely pro keeping the manager
not been banned yet
incidentally the press is all over AvB
they accuse him of being tactically clueless (Arrigo Saachi and Pep Guardiola's high lines worked out OK)
he was slaughtered last week for picking Greedybarndoor instead of Defoe (which 'Arry the messiah did all season)
several Spud fans I know are turning against him already, as much as Wenger is under pressure
it will be open season on the little ginger if we win, I think a good board stays strong
don't try and switch horses mid-race applies in general IMO
AW has to go. What he does is nothing short of negligence. I'm so fucking sick of going into a season short in some area. 2008- not replacing Flamini, Gilberto or Diarra.
2009 not getting a competent goalkeeper.
2010 still no competent goalkeeper, not having a striker in replace of RVP and having Squillachi as a fucking back up for CB.
2011 absolutely fucking everything. No competent left back who can stay fit. No back up right back. Selling Cesc even though he had more than 2 years left. Taking an eternity to sell Nasri even though it was painfully clear he was out. Not having a decent back up striker. Not doing any transfer activity till the fucking last minute.
2012 Selling Song again despite the fact that he had more than 2 years left. Pissing Song off by not extending his deal even though he wanted to stay. Not having a competent goaly. Still no back up fullbacks. Having no holding midfielders. Having a team that is painfully average in all areas of the field.
highburyJD wrote:dI have to come here to find anyone who thinks you're a troll/WUM for supporting the manager
Don't know why im bothering but that is just blatently not true JD
Promise it is - I know quite a lot of fans who are anti-Wenger, more who still believe in him
never have I heard an anti-Wenger fan claim the 'pros' are simply winding them up
or backing the manager to irritate those who are against him
why would somebody pretend to support a manager..?
and re: the rather OTT WengerKnows fans I know
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Sound like right c unts, bet they're selective who they attack too
women and kids probably
never been there when its happened, but heard tell from mates who sit with them
London guys, father and son, I imagine incidents caused by one too many pre-match sherbets
but no, you're wrong
a) they would never pick on 'easy target' people like that. Slightly nuts but not nasty.
b) never thought of this before, but in my experience women and kid Gooners are a particularly pro-Wenger demographic
ah so your so called friends don't overreact much then......or was it all just Johnny Bullshit talking
you're right that they're not proper 'friends', I never see them outside of football
they sit beside real friends of mine and often drink at the same place as me pre-match
not sure about your accusations of BS,
they are in no way the only people who have kicked off at anti-Wenger fans
I've seen that happen several times both at home and away
as I'm sure many posters on here will have seen similar incidents
Vinny, you don't seem happy about the mods also being posters. Well, you might think differently if you had been a member of the now defunct official Arsenal.com forum. It was modded by non-members (in some cases not even Arsenal fans) and it was like Communist Russia over there.
All shit aside, one of the reasons this forum has lasted as long as it has and been as much fun as it (sometimes) has, is BECAUSE the mods are also posters. We don't jump on every little thing, we don't kill every thread.
As for banning? It's a last resort. We don't ban people because other people don't like them. We ban them for breaking the rules. And EVERYONE gets a warning or two before a temporary ban, followed by a permanent ban (if needed).
Not at all DB. Have been on forums for a few years and there are advantages and disadvantages to having both member moderators and anonymous moderators. It really depends on the Moderators as to what works best.
I was really addressing some points from Eboue as to why I think people don't speak up or join if they are pro Wenger. The site is dominated by people who want him gone and they are allowed to voice that opinion fortrightly and that is reflected in the Mods as well.
Personally I think you (Mods) are in a no win situation with this as if you start to clamp down you will risk alienating a lot of members. And the clamp down may not even work as people may still not put forward their pro Wenger opinions.
As I said already it is what it is and it would require a complete sea change imo to start attracting more pro Wenger posters. Am not sure whether it would be worth it to be honest.
spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:2012 Selling Song again despite the fact that he had more than 2 years left. Pissing Song off by not extending his deal even though he wanted to stay. Not having a competent goaly. Still no back up fullbacks. Having no holding midfielders. Having a team that is painfully average in all areas of the field.
Tbh, this is one of the best things Wenger has done recently, Song was everything wrong with the modern Arsenal, and I for one am glad he's gone
spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:2012 Selling Song again despite the fact that he had more than 2 years left. Pissing Song off by not extending his deal even though he wanted to stay. Not having a competent goaly. Still no back up fullbacks. Having no holding midfielders. Having a team that is painfully average in all areas of the field.
Tbh, this is one of the best things Wenger has done recently, Song was everything wrong with the modern Arsenal, and I for one am glad he's gone
Agree 100%, that's been one highlight of the season. BUT fact is Wenger clearly saw him as a key figure and has somewhat built the team around him to an extent over the last 3 years, and just let him go without any sort of fight.
spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:2012 Selling Song again despite the fact that he had more than 2 years left. Pissing Song off by not extending his deal even though he wanted to stay. Not having a competent goaly. Still no back up fullbacks. Having no holding midfielders. Having a team that is painfully average in all areas of the field.
Tbh, this is one of the best things Wenger has done recently, Song was everything wrong with the modern Arsenal, and I for one am glad he's gone
+ 1. Delighted he is gone.
However I don't think Arteta is the answer to our DM.
spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:2012 Selling Song again despite the fact that he had more than 2 years left. Pissing Song off by not extending his deal even though he wanted to stay. Not having a competent goaly. Still no back up fullbacks. Having no holding midfielders. Having a team that is painfully average in all areas of the field.
Tbh, this is one of the best things Wenger has done recently, Song was everything wrong with the modern Arsenal, and I for one am glad he's gone
Agree 100%, that's been one highlight of the season. BUT fact is Wenger clearly saw him as a key figure and has somewhat built the team around him to an extent over the last 3 years, and just let him go without any sort of fight.
sorry, I'm not wearing that
you can't have your WOB cake and eat it...
either you're pleased Song's gone (I'm not) or wanted him to stay
one of the key points of the Wengerball strategy is that everybody is replaceable
