As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
It was important to me to leave an organisation in the strongest possible shape and I believe I have done so.
Can Wenger say the same thing? It's gonna take fucking years of rebuilding when he does finally go
I think the opposite. It's testament to MeatFace's genius that they won the league with such a crappy squad
and that Wenger's main failings are tactical and strategic
- he'll leave lots of good players behind when he eventually goes
Agreed. I was actually involved with a bit of 'what if' pub scenarios last weekend and we did ponder the question
If Fergie had the Arsenal squad at his disposal this season where would that team have finished?
The debate got quite heated but overall it was agreed that the Fergie Arsenal squad would certainly have finished higher then Fergies current Utd squad, i.e. league champions.
So if the bookies are to be believed looks like a done deal for Moyes. As I've said I'm not convinced but then again none of the applicants have all of Ferguson's strengths/attributes so it's about which ones you value most. If they do go for Moyes obviously they prioritise longevity/loyalty, professionalism, shrewdness and sensible tactical organisation over a history of success at the top level, continental experience and reputation.
Either way I'm not convinced about Ferguson's role as a director, although I guess that doesn't necessarily mean he'll actually be involved with the day-to-day running of the club - although this is actually the definition of directors' roles I certainly wouldn't say ours are!
It makes sense now that Moyes has refused to sign an extension and let his deal run down as he must have had his eyes on the United job, and I'm sure that if this appointment does materialise it will have been in the pipeline for months. I found Everton's statement that they've had "no approach" for Moyes quite funny given that he's out of contract imminently.
There you go,said Moyes a while back, Sky News just announced that Fergie has confirmed his preference for Moyes to be be the next boss and it will be confirmed in the next few days.
Oh my days it didn’t take long for the AKB mongs to come out. According to one ejjit, now Fergie has retired wenger is officially the best manager in the league since he’s won the most league titles. :facepalm:
I replied suggesting if you follow that logic Frank Lampard is currently the best striker in the EPL as he has the most career goals
northbank123 wrote:Thing about Mourinho is even if things are going well there's no guarantee he'll stay there for more than a few years, and he is an incredibly selfish man who is highly likely to put his own interests ahead of the club's.
This. Arsenal and Manure will be the last 2 clubs to appoint some one like Mourinho. There is no way they are going to take Mourinho kind of management. I am surprised some of those plastics want this plastic.
And I'm surprised that you are surprised Whoever takes over from old whiskey nose will have a tough act to follow - he will need to be charismatic, confident and with the type of reputation that will attract top players to join and at the same time intimidate rival managers and teams so like him or not we will have to concede that the portugese c.unt ticks all those boxes. Would lewandowski be interested in signing for David Moyes ? I fcuking well doubt it and as much as I like and rate Moyes, I still feel that the manure job would be too much of a step up for him at this time
Manure fan before Moyes appointment: Won f**k all. We do not want.
Same fan after Moyes appointment: Hungry for winning trophies.
Basically whiskey nose still wants to be super boss. Continuity in the sense keep winning games in the league by playing bland. Surprised they did not go for some one with continental experience to try something different.
augie wrote:
And I'm surprised that you are surprised Whoever takes over from old whiskey nose will have a tough act to follow - he will need to be charismatic, confident and with the type of reputation that will attract top players to join and at the same time intimidate rival managers and teams so like him or not we will have to concede that the portugese c.unt ticks all those boxes. Would lewandowski be interested in signing for David Moyes ? I fcuking well doubt it and as much as I like and rate Moyes, I still feel that the manure job would be too much of a step up for him at this time
Agree about Moyes is underwhelming signing. But Manure is still very big club. Whiskey nose will be around the club and mentoring Moyes for some time.
northbank123 wrote:Thing about Mourinho is even if things are going well there's no guarantee he'll stay there for more than a few years, and he is an incredibly selfish man who is highly likely to put his own interests ahead of the club's.
This. Arsenal and Manure will be the last 2 clubs to appoint some one like Mourinho. There is no way they are going to take Mourinho kind of management. I am surprised some of those plastics want this plastic.
And I'm surprised that you are surprised Whoever takes over from old whiskey nose will have a tough act to follow - he will need to be charismatic, confident and with the type of reputation that will attract top players to join and at the same time intimidate rival managers and teams so like him or not we will have to concede that the portugese c.unt ticks all those boxes. Would lewandowski be interested in signing for David Moyes ? I fcuking well doubt it and as much as I like and rate Moyes, I still feel that the manure job would be too much of a step up for him at this time
Agreed he's not going to be a personal draw like a Ferguson, Guardiola or a Mourinho but I think that being the biggest club and at the moment best team in what is still quite probably the most attractive league to prospective signings will mean they aren't going to struggle to attract top quality players.
With the exception of van Persie I'm not sure how many (if any) of their signings in the last 5-10 years wouldn't have signed if Ferguson wasn't there?
Hope Moyes gets it because I reckon he'd crash and burn at United. Every big game Everton got themselves in he bottled it and only has experience in buying bargain basement transfers in the main. Fingers crossed it gets announced soon.
rodders999 wrote:Hope Moyes gets it because I reckon he'd crash and burn at United. Every big game Everton got themselves in he bottled it and only has experience in buying bargain basement transfers in the main. Fingers crossed it gets announced soon.
Ultimately agree with you with every word there. I can understand why United look to have gone that way but scrutiny is going to be immense and question marks will persist for a long time.
I also think this will be a lift to Citeh, despite the bravado coming from their camp they must have feared that they lost so much ground on United this year.
QuartzGooner wrote:
But Chapman, Busby and Shankly are in a different category altogether, they went to small clubs and built them into world renowned clubs.
They are the "Legacy managers".
I disagree with this statment. I think Ferguson has left heavy footprints at the club and has built a legacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Ferguson Ferguson is the longest serving manager of Manchester United, overtaking Sir Matt Busby's record on 19 December 2010, and the longest serving of all current League managers. He has won many awards and holds many records including winning Manager of the Year most times in British football history. In 2008, he became the third British manager to win the European Cup on more than one occasion. He was knighted in 1999 for his services to the game and also holds the Freedom of the City of Aberdeen.[5][6]
On 8 May 2013, Ferguson announced his retirement as manager of Manchester United. During his 26 years at the club, he won 38 trophies, including 13 Premier League titles, and the UEFA Champions League twice.[7]
So the next manger will slip into pretty wide shoes
Man Utd were already a big club when Ferguson took over.
They had a worldwide reputation, a result of the Busbsy Babes image, the plane crash and the European Cup.
Ferguson made them bigger, but he had a good foundation to launch from.
Their commercial team did the rest.
But Chapman, Busby and Shankly did something different altogether...built legacies that continued to this day.
Even with Liverpool's lack of success for the last few years ,they have a platform to launch from.
Man Utd were already a big club when Ferguson took over.
They had a worldwide reputation, a result of the Busbsy Babes image, the plane crash and the European Cup.
Ferguson made them bigger, but he had a good foundation to launch from.
Their commercial team did the rest.
But Chapman, Busby and Shankly did something different altogether...built legacies that continued to this day.
Even with Liverpool's lack of success for the last few years ,they have a platform to launch from.
Well it is kind of a Beatles and Stones 'Thing' to compare rock groups to these both always which had the fourtone of being there first
Ok, the foundation was there, but also a lot of competition and Ferguson was able to hold them on a constant level and also to win titles and to improve the quality of the squad almost every season.
Whoever takes over from old whiskey nose will have a tough act to follow - he will need to be charismatic, confident and with the type of reputation that will attract top players to join and at the same time intimidate rival managers and teams so like him or not we will have to concede that the portugese c.unt ticks all those boxes. Would lewandowski be interested in signing for David Moyes ? I fcuking well doubt it and as much as I like and rate Moyes, I still feel that the manure job would be too much of a step up for him at this time
