Breaking news - Maureen is no more

[foxinthebox2001]

I too am surprised at how many Gooners have been quick to throw the "specialist in failure" remark into the mix again - was what he said really wrong ? Prior to the last two seasons fa cup wins we hadn't won anything in a few years, and so he was 100% correct in what he said. It also seems to be forgotten how many times le cock has snipped at other clubs spending/style of football/tactics/conduct etc at his press conferences, and if you do that then you have to expect a response thrown back at you from the clubs involved. Wenker always seems to have this moral outrage when another manager questions him, but he thinks that he is entitled to speak about and pass judgement on others and that doesn't work
The comment that Gooners should be angry about was the voyeur remark - that was something that went way beyond the bounds of acceptability and he should have received a severe punishment for making a comment like that

Anyway my point is that moaninho has given us a shit load of comments that can be thrown back in his face with satisfaction right now, but lets not get hung up about the "specialist in failure" comment when the success comparisons between both managers is heavily in moaninho's favour

I take your point augie but for me it was a crass, classless remark that crossed the line that managers almost never cross when talking about other managers. The success comparisons don't matter too much to me btw. Moron-hio is a successful manager. Wenger is a successful manager. Moron-hio's success doesn't devalue Wenger's success. Wenger's stagnation over a ten year period is the only thing that slightly devalues his success for me.

In general I'd add that by disliking that "specialist in failure" comment and thinking that Moron-hio was a classless prick for saying it doesn't mean I now want Wenger to stay. The two things are separate and I view Moron-hio's comment in isolation for what it was; the comment of a bitter, classless, prick.

You can argue a case that financially he is a success, but in terms of winning big trophies?
How long would Barca, Real Madrid or Bayern suffer his ideology of 4th being a trophy sufficient of an £8m salary?
And had he been in charge of any of the mentioned teams that threw leads away in europe the way Wenger does there would have been a "little bit sacking".
If Wenger is such a good manager why is Abramovic not looking to poach him, see if if he fancies a new challenge?
Because he knows, like we know that the challenge is beyond his limitations as a coach.
Wenger knows he has a cosy little number at Arsenal, no pressure to do more than 4th spot and a token attempt at the CL, you think he would be up for the pressure Maureen faces at every new club he takes on? no way Jose.

And on the flip side, how successful would the sacked one be if he didn't have ridiculous amounts of money afforded to him to buy some of the best players in the world. Amazing how people can't stick on topic on this forum. Just saying like .

On the flip. flip side Wenger has been allocated vast sums but chose to spend enough to make 4th spot, the money excuse does not wash these days.
If instead of having a catastrophic season, Chelsea had an average season and finished 4th Maureen would still have been on shaky ground, yet Wenger would award himself another imaginary trophy.

[GranadaJoe]

His biggest mistake was to publicly humiliate Eva Caneiro. As pointed out on the BBC this morning a lot of players had a good relationship with Carneiro and her medical team, looking back it seems like the rot set in shortly after this incident. I wonder if she will follow through with her legal action now.

She is doing Nutflush, if its in the Guardian it must be right

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... sea-doctor

I cant see Simeone going there, people muttering about him liking the stability at Atletico. Total opposite at The Chavs.

If theres anything we learn about the way Abramovich handles things he shoots from the hip, hires and fires at will. Theres quite probably many decent managers who would baulk at going there, though money talks I guess. I wonder if the fat Spanish waiter will return again

Never understood why they got shot of Ranieri that while back- hes rather showing what a good manager he is now.

I think most managers on the continent are very pragmatic (with the possible exception of Pep). They are usually coaches, not managers. They know they're in a fickle business and have no pretensions about 'projects' or building legacies. They know they'll be in a job for a few years and then they'll be off somewhere else. Consequently, I think most would be very happy to add Chelski to their CV and bank balance.

[augie]

A low life piece of Scum,deserves all he gets ,was wondering how long it would take this thread to turn into another Wenger thread.

I hope that that comment (and others) wasn't aimed at me - I wasn't making this thread about le cock at all and was merely pointing out the fact that (I believe) that Gooners getting their knickers in a knot over the failure specialist, is a bit precious is all. Even as a wenker hater, I feel that his voyeur comment was bang out of order and went way beyond the boundries of football - for us to slate wenker's non football issues on here like his fondness for French rap ( ) is one thing, but to label him a voyeur publicly at a press conference is horrendous and should/could have resulted in legal action. That being said, was le cock out of order when he refereed to ferguscum at a press conference and said that "everybody thinks that they have the most beautiful wife at home" ? Should ferguscum's family have been brought into it ? I know that as a Gooner, I absolutely loved it when wenker came out with that response, but at the same time I recognise that comments like that kinda take away the moral ground when somebody says something back at you

Shouldn't feel the need to say this but I am going to say it anyway..........I despise moaninho with a vengeance and would never, ever want that nasty b*stard in our club even if he guaranteed us trophies It is a stance that I have taken here for years, even though there have been many on here that championed him with comments like that "he is a winner" If nobody had of brought up the specialist in failure comment, then I would never have commented on le cock here simply because this was all about enjoying the demise about the arrogant c.unt

[Henry Norris 1913]

Glad to see us finally beat him this August, even if it was only the community shield. Great day that was, party atmosphere in the gooner end

[Ikechukwu1]

Funny how we are being instructed to "stick on topic" and not shift to Wenger, yet it's perfectly fine to shift the topic to eg Van Gaal and make favourable comparisons when Wenger qualifies for CL Last 16 and LVG doesn't.
The first point that needs making is that the "Specialist in Failure" comment errrr...hasn't seen Wenger vindicated. A guy that won the PL about 6 months ago has now been sacked. That's called a high-pressure job. We all know what Wenger's record is over the past decade, and honestly, it's beyond pathetic.
Mourinho is a twat who got his comeuppance but the revisionism here is comical.
The "money" argument has been proven nonsense for ages yet still gets repeated. He won the CL with Porto FFS. Wenger couldn't win it with Bergkamp, Henry, Pires and Vieira
Wenger had at least £70m and signed nobody outfield over summer, so he chooses not to spend.
When Mourinho won the Treble at Inter, he made a huge profit that summer on Zlatan to Barca (over £30m profit I believe) and won it with an Inter team that had chucked good after bad money at success and yet failed every year. He won a Treble.

It's absolutely correct he's a dickhead, absolutely correct that he lacks class, absolutely correct he's been rotten this season...

But let's not pretend Wenger is anywhere near his managerial level because as Augie and Fox correctly point out, Wenger benefits from being at the most ambitionless club in Europe with no requirement to succeed.

Sure Mourinho "doesn't build" but football is different and I don't understand this obsession with having a manager for 20 years? What for? We've spent 11 years being mediocre, nowhere near a league title. Yet Wenger has "built" about 5 different teams over that period, all of them unsuccessful. So sure Arsene "builds" but it's built on sand and he has to keep ripping it up and starting again.
I'd much sooner have someone stick around 2-3 years, win Arsenal a CL at last, a league title, and get rid.

Real Madrid do this. Barca do this. Bayern do this. Chelski do this. Atletico do this.
And the past decade all have been far more successful than us.

[nut flush gooner]

Funny how we are being instructed to "stick on topic" and not shift to Wenger, yet it's perfectly fine to shift the topic to eg Van Gaal and make favourable comparisons when Wenger qualifies for CL Last 16 and LVG doesn't.
The first point that needs making is that the "Specialist in Failure" comment errrr...hasn't seen Wenger vindicated. A guy that won the PL about 6 months ago has now been sacked. That's called a high-pressure job. We all know what Wenger's record is over the past decade, and honestly, it's beyond pathetic.
Mourinho is a twat who got his comeuppance but the revisionism here is comical.
The "money" argument has been proven nonsense for ages yet still gets repeated. He won the CL with Porto FFS. Wenger couldn't win it with Bergkamp, Henry, Pires and Vieira
Wenger had at least £70m and signed nobody outfield over summer, so he chooses not to spend.
When Mourinho won the Treble at Inter, he made a huge profit that summer on Zlatan to Barca (over £30m profit I believe) and won it with an Inter team that had chucked good after bad money at success and yet failed every year. He won a Treble.

It's absolutely correct he's a dickhead, absolutely correct that he lacks class, absolutely correct he's been rotten this season...

But let's not pretend Wenger is anywhere near his managerial level because as Augie and Fox correctly point out, Wenger benefits from being at the most ambitionless club in Europe with no requirement to succeed.

Sure Mourinho "doesn't build" but football is different and I don't understand this obsession with having a manager for 20 years? What for? We've spent 11 years being mediocre, nowhere near a league title. Yet Wenger has "built" about 5 different teams over that period, all of them unsuccessful. So sure Arsene "builds" but it's built on sand and he has to keep ripping it up and starting again.
I'd much sooner have someone stick around 2-3 years, win Arsenal a CL at last, a league title, and get rid.

Real Madrid do this. Barca do this. Bayern do this. Chelski do this. Atletico do this.
And the past decade all have been far more successful than us.

So do manure these days with exactly the opposite results, it's always easy to come out with examples to suit an argument. The above clubs you have mentioned have changed managers for different reasons. Do you honestly think Barca or Bayern would get rid of Guardiola because that's what they do every few seasons??

[nut flush gooner]

I too am surprised at how many Gooners have been quick to throw the "specialist in failure" remark into the mix again - was what he said really wrong ? Prior to the last two seasons fa cup wins we hadn't won anything in a few years, and so he was 100% correct in what he said. It also seems to be forgotten how many times le cock has snipped at other clubs spending/style of football/tactics/conduct etc at his press conferences, and if you do that then you have to expect a response thrown back at you from the clubs involved. Wenker always seems to have this moral outrage when another manager questions him, but he thinks that he is entitled to speak about and pass judgement on others and that doesn't work
The comment that Gooners should be angry about was the voyeur remark - that was something that went way beyond the bounds of acceptability and he should have received a severe punishment for making a comment like that

Anyway my point is that moaninho has given us a shit load of comments that can be thrown back in his face with satisfaction right now, but lets not get hung up about the "specialist in failure" comment when the success comparisons between both managers is heavily in moaninho's favour

I take your point augie but for me it was a crass, classless remark that crossed the line that managers almost never cross when talking about other managers. The success comparisons don't matter too much to me btw. Moron-hio is a successful manager. Wenger is a successful manager. Moron-hio's success doesn't devalue Wenger's success. Wenger's stagnation over a ten year period is the only thing that slightly devalues his success for me.

In general I'd add that by disliking that "specialist in failure" comment and thinking that Moron-hio was a classless prick for saying it doesn't mean I now want Wenger to stay. The two things are separate and I view Moron-hio's comment in isolation for what it was; the comment of a bitter, classless, prick.

You can argue a case that financially he is a success, but in terms of winning big trophies?
How long would Barca, Real Madrid or Bayern suffer his ideology of 4th being a trophy sufficient of an £8m salary?
And had he been in charge of any of the mentioned teams that threw leads away in europe the way Wenger does there would have been a "little bit sacking".
If Wenger is such a good manager why is Abramovic not looking to poach him, see if if he fancies a new challenge?
Because he knows, like we know that the challenge is beyond his limitations as a coach.
Wenger knows he has a cosy little number at Arsenal, no pressure to do more than 4th spot and a token attempt at the CL, you think he would be up for the pressure Maureen faces at every new club he takes on? no way Jose.

And on the flip side, how successful would the sacked one be if he didn't have ridiculous amounts of money afforded to him to buy some of the best players in the world. Amazing how people can't stick on topic on this forum. Just saying like .

On the flip. flip side Wenger has been allocated vast sums but chose to spend enough to make 4th spot, the money excuse does not wash these days.
If instead of having a catastrophic season, Chelsea had an average season and finished 4th Maureen would still have been on shaky ground, yet Wenger would award himself another imaginary trophy.

What Wenger should have spent and what Mourinho actually spent isn't even close. Mourinho hasn't built one of his sides from internal resources (with the exception perhaps Porto back in the day). He's opened up the chequebook at every club he's been at and spent hundreds of millions.

[markmark64]

Funny how we are being instructed to "stick on topic" and not shift to Wenger, yet it's perfectly fine to shift the topic to eg Van Gaal and make favourable comparisons when Wenger qualifies for CL Last 16 and LVG doesn't.
The first point that needs making is that the "Specialist in Failure" comment errrr...hasn't seen Wenger vindicated. A guy that won the PL about 6 months ago has now been sacked. That's called a high-pressure job. We all know what Wenger's record is over the past decade, and honestly, it's beyond pathetic.
Mourinho is a twat who got his comeuppance but the revisionism here is comical.
The "money" argument has been proven nonsense for ages yet still gets repeated. He won the CL with Porto FFS. Wenger couldn't win it with Bergkamp, Henry, Pires and Vieira
Wenger had at least £70m and signed nobody outfield over summer, so he chooses not to spend.
When Mourinho won the Treble at Inter, he made a huge profit that summer on Zlatan to Barca (over £30m profit I believe) and won it with an Inter team that had chucked good after bad money at success and yet failed every year. He won a Treble.

It's absolutely correct he's a dickhead, absolutely correct that he lacks class, absolutely correct he's been rotten this season...

But let's not pretend Wenger is anywhere near his managerial level because as Augie and Fox correctly point out, Wenger benefits from being at the most ambitionless club in Europe with no requirement to succeed.

Sure Mourinho "doesn't build" but football is different and I don't understand this obsession with having a manager for 20 years? What for? We've spent 11 years being mediocre, nowhere near a league title. Yet Wenger has "built" about 5 different teams over that period, all of them unsuccessful. So sure Arsene "builds" but it's built on sand and he has to keep ripping it up and starting again.
I'd much sooner have someone stick around 2-3 years, win Arsenal a CL at last, a league title, and get rid.

Real Madrid do this. Barca do this. Bayern do this. Chelski do this. Atletico do this.
And the past decade all have been far more successful than us.

So do manure these days with exactly the opposite results, it's always easy to come out with examples to suit an argument. The above clubs you have mentioned have changed managers for different reasons. Do you honestly think Barca or Bayern would get rid of Guardiola because that's what they do every few seasons??

agree with you nut flash Guardiola left because he wanted a new challenge,He oversaw barcelona become a major euro cup winning side.Before he became manager they had only one the european cup once.

[nut flush gooner]

Just to add to my point about Guardiola, and I know in some peoples eyes this wont count because its before the premier league was formed. Liverpool built a dynasty in the 70s/80s on stability and changing the manager not when they didn't win trophies but when the time was right to hand the baton onto another manager, who usually came from within and understood the values of the club.

I would have Guardiola over Maureen at our club every day of the week, not because of his track record but the way he has successfully built legacies at every club he has managed. He also doesn't come across as a complete *word censored*!

[Supagoon]

Guardiola, Simeone, Klopp(would have), Carlo.

I'd all have to replace Arsene. Never Jose, ever. For all the reasons you can think of.

[mcdowell42]

A low life piece of Scum,deserves all he gets ,was wondering how long it would take this thread to turn into another Wenger thread.

I hope that that comment (and others) wasn't aimed at me - I wasn't making this thread about le cock at all and was merely pointing out the fact that (I believe) that Gooners getting their knickers in a knot over the failure specialist, is a bit precious is all. Even as a wenker hater, I feel that his voyeur comment was bang out of order and went way beyond the boundries of football - for us to slate wenker's non football issues on here like his fondness for French rap ( ) is one thing, but to label him a voyeur publicly at a press conference is horrendous and should/could have resulted in legal action. That being said, was le cock out of order when he refereed to ferguscum at a press conference and said that "everybody thinks that they have the most beautiful wife at home" ? Should ferguscum's family have been brought into it ? I know that as a Gooner, I absolutely loved it when wenker came out with that response, but at the same time I recognise that comments like that kinda take away the moral ground when somebody says something back at you

Shouldn't feel the need to say this but I am going to say it anyway..........I despise moaninho with a vengeance and would never, ever want that nasty b*stard in our club even if he guaranteed us trophies It is a stance that I have taken here for years, even though there have been many on here that championed him with comments like that "he is a winner" If nobody had of brought up the specialist in failure comment, then I would never have commented on le cock here simply because this was all about enjoying the demise about the arrogant c.unt

Tbh I thought the quote about the wife was quite witty,my comment wasn't aimed at you but another poster who had posted earlier,I see itchy baba has come on here to defend his hero,I'll say it again mourinhio is Scum and like you Augie I would never want to see him managing us ,he's a vile man but obviously a hero to some,which doesn't say much about them.

[arseofacrow]

Hero's perhaps a bit strong Mc.

I think he's a but his record is out there.

[mcdowell42]

Hero's perhaps a bit strong Mc.

I think he's a but his record is out there.

Hero comment was aimed at our resident Chelsea fan on here.

[Ikechukwu1]

Just to add to my point about Guardiola, and I know in some peoples eyes this wont count because its before the premier league was formed. Liverpool built a dynasty in the 70s/80s on stability and changing the manager not when they didn't win trophies but when the time was right to hand the baton onto another manager, who usually came from within and understood the values of the club.

I would have Guardiola over Maureen at our club every day of the week, not because of his track record but the way he has successfully built legacies at every club he has managed. He also doesn't come across as a complete *word censored*!

Sorry what "legacy" did Guardiola build at Barca?
Who gave Messi his debut and bright him out La Masia? Riijkaard.
Who reverted to a front 3 system again after years of having Rivaldo behind a striker? Riijkaard again.
Who started Barca playing with a high press? Riijkaard.
Who won them their first CL since Wembley in the early 90s and got them massive in the transfer market again? Riijkaard.

Pep picked up the huge baton Riijkaard left him.
Next you'll be telling me he "built" a legacy at Bayern, even though it's clear Heynckes did all the work there!

Your ManYoo point is plain bizarre. For a start they appointed the wrong manager and sacked him when he underperformed. The next guy they hired then moved them from 7th to 4th place trophy places. Errr so same as Arsene then. He's underperforming and will likewise be replaced.

The point is: big clubs don't hang about with underperforming managers. They get rid.
So yes. I wold much sooner be a Real Madrid and have had 6 managers the past 10 years. Because frankly, they've cumulatively been far more successful. Take that over our "stability" any day of the week.

[Redarmy]

A low life piece of Scum,deserves all he gets ,was wondering how long it would take this thread to turn into another Wenger thread.

I hope that that comment (and others) wasn't aimed at me - I wasn't making this thread about le cock at all and was merely pointing out the fact that (I believe) that Gooners getting their knickers in a knot over the failure specialist, is a bit precious is all. Even as a wenker hater, I feel that his voyeur comment was bang out of order and went way beyond the boundries of football - for us to slate wenker's non football issues on here like his fondness for French rap ( ) is one thing, but to label him a voyeur publicly at a press conference is horrendous and should/could have resulted in legal action. That being said, was le cock out of order when he refereed to ferguscum at a press conference and said that "everybody thinks that they have the most beautiful wife at home" ? Should ferguscum's family have been brought into it ? I know that as a Gooner, I absolutely loved it when wenker came out with that response, but at the same time I recognise that comments like that kinda take away the moral ground when somebody says something back at you

Shouldn't feel the need to say this but I am going to say it anyway..........I despise moaninho with a vengeance and would never, ever want that nasty b*stard in our club even if he guaranteed us trophies It is a stance that I have taken here for years, even though there have been many on here that championed him with comments like that "he is a winner" If nobody had of brought up the specialist in failure comment, then I would never have commented on le cock here simply because this was all about enjoying the demise about the arrogant c.unt

FFS that comment was nothing personal to Ferguson, you have totally misinterpreted which is not correct
"Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home" - May 2002, in response to Sir Alex Ferguson's claim that Manchester United had been the best side in the Premier League since Christmas that season.