New Nasri, Vela and Fabregas Songs for the weekend!

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crocit wrote:we still sing that song now days, if you dont like, dont respond or ignore it.
I don't like the song...but I won't ignore it because I don't think that song should be sung...

It's like Liverpool fans..sometimes I might sing "In Your Liverpool Slums", because I consider that banter, and I sing that to all the Northern teams...but I don't sing "Sign On", and I don't sing stuff about Hillsborough.

There is a line I won't cross.

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Out of interest Quartz, what line do you think the song "Sign On" crosses?

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QuartzGooner wrote:I just wonder about your age Crocit...cos seems to me you are a teenager trying to live up to an image of what a supposed true fan is all about, based on some misguided views from the 70's and 80's, when you were not actually at games.

The racist chants then were sometimes part of something genuinely sinister, organised far right political activity.

Way beyond going to the pub and having a laugh.

Just that when you get to my age (37), which is not that old, but old enough to have watched us in four decades, and mixed with a lot of fans from other clubs, including members of the Spurs and Chelsea firms, you get to learn that there are some seriously dangerous people about...and you learn that there is banter, and then there is hatred which is different.

G88ner and It's Up for Grabs Now understand what I am on about.
Not really, he just wants to have a laugh with his mates, not harming anyone.

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i dont sing stuff about Hillsbrough, thats totally different. that was a sad day, for every football fan, for any club, but if it is sung, i just ignore, not hard

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and that sign on song, its funny, big banter

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Kevinho wrote:Out of interest Quartz, what line do you think the song "Sign On" crosses?
Scousers were hit very hard by unemployment in the 80's. I have been unemployed for 18 months out of my working life, few years ago was in debt and had literally 5p in my pocket...and it was no joke!

Crocit...not every time can something be done about things people consider out of order, but I just am not the type to stand by if I think something is out of order.

I am not a "do-gooder" or unrealistic...but seeing as too many people stood by when large chunks of my family were murdered in Ukraine and Germany in World War Two, I am not one to just do nothing about things.

Not saying that people singing that song are trying to murder other fans at all, but there is a slippery slope, and I got to fight my battles and other people's if I am able to do so.

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then you should say it to them when they sing it at a match, they might stop, just for you

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crocit wrote:then you should say it to them when they sing it at a match, they might stop, just for you
Well I do say it to people at matches or wherever it is sung.

And I am saying it here too.

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can we all kiss and make up now? :D :D

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QuartzGooner wrote:
Kevinho wrote:Out of interest Quartz, what line do you think the song "Sign On" crosses?
Scousers were hit very hard by unemployment in the 80's. I have been unemployed for 18 months out of my working life, few years ago was in debt and had literally 5p in my pocket...and it was no joke!

Crocit...not every time can something be done about things people consider out of order, but I just am not the type to stand by if I think something is out of order.

I am not a "do-gooder" or unrealistic...but seeing as too many people stood by when large chunks of my family were murdered in Ukraine and Germany in World War Two, I am not one to just do nothing about things.

Not saying that people singing that song are trying to murder other fans at all, but there is a slippery slope, and I got to fight my battles and other people's if I am able to do so.

Thanks for your reply. Not to belittle in any way the experiences of your family but the passion of football (which I love) stems largely from the best chants and, unfortunately, the best chants are offensive in some way.

I remember a TV interview where John Cleese said no joke could stand the kind of analysis where one checks to see who could be offended. And I feel the same about football chants. To rid the game of these chants would greatly dilute the edge and, for me, lessen the experience. This to me is the evil of PC.

Now as a black man I realise there were some terrible chants about my race that have largely been eradicated from English football. In one way I am relieved that this has happened but on the other hand I am aware of the contradiction between this relief and what I have just posted above.

I suppose it comes down to every football fan having a threshold of offence and finding out how high or low that threshold is. Me personally, in the calm of my room right now I would not dare sing songs about the Holocaust, Hillsbrough, Munich etc. In the heat of a highly-charged stadium or surrounding area on match day; I cannot honestly put my hand on my heart and say I've NEVER sung those kinds of songs. The only proviso I would give is that I've only sung them in "retaliation".

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I have read through this thread and from being songs about our players it has turned into a debate about correctness.
I am also with Quartz, I dont feel that anti Jewish song/jokes are appropriate. As has been said before, there are also many Jewish Arsenal fans. And even if there werent, its just wrong.

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Tell you what Kevinho...admire your honesty.

Thing I miss from standing, is the humour.

We used to sing funny songs and chants to, sometimes just for one game.

Like when Brian Clough was walking around the touchline in his regular green sweatshirt...one person sang "Same old jumper" and we all joined in.

It is the originality and the humour that I miss.
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i dont think there are any colour racists chants sang to us are there? maybe the Adebayor one, well sort of, or is it? i dunno. but yeh, i agree with Kevinho, singing at a game with the rest of the fans give you a buzz, excitement, hence why i love going to the away games.

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to be honest, arguing on here is not really going to solve the issue. some people will sing it, and some wont, and that will always be how it is. i agree that the chant could be deemed offensive to jewish arsenal fans, but against the scum in the CC semi at our place, i was singing it (with the whole of the block i was in may i add) not out of malace to jewish people, but as a wind up to spurs fans who were singing about wenger being a peado. alot of people on here will say there is nothing wrong with singing it, but alot of the time they are not of jewish descent. in future i will continue to sing the song as banter. in all fairness though, the song is hardly sung at all nowadays, only in pubs and against the spuds really

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Tomo wrote:to be honest, arguing on here is not really going to solve the issue. some people will sing it, and some wont, and that will always be how it is. i agree that the chant could be deemed offensive to jewish arsenal fans, but against the scum in the CC semi at our place, i was singing it (with the whole of the block i was in may i add) not out of malace to jewish people, but as a wind up to spurs fans who were singing about wenger being a peado. alot of people on here will say there is nothing wrong with singing it, but alot of the time they are not of jewish descent. in future i will continue to sing the song as banter. in all fairness though, the song is hardly sung at all nowadays, only in pubs and against the spuds really
Sorry..I wanted to comment on this issue earlier, but was caught up in other things..so i'll post it now...

I love this argument because you hear it so often, but it just defies logic. :lol:

On the one hand, he agrees that it is offensive to Arsenal fans, yet he still sings it...perversely, to wind up the Spurs fans! :banghead:

Surely they understand that the people they are trying to offend are just as likely to be wearing an Arsenal shirt, as they are a Spurs shirt, therefore the chant loses it's puropse, surely? :?

Would you chant monkey noises at an oppostion player if you were sat next to a black Arsenal fan? of course not...it would offend him, and he's not your target audience. So, where's the logic in chanting anti-semitic songs at Spurs fans when you can as good as guarantee that you are sat near any number of Jewish Arsenal fans?? it makes no sense at all...you're knowingly offending fellow Arsenal fans. And yet, these same people think that we shouldn't be offended...yet, that's the whole purpose of them singing these songs....to offend the Spurs fans! double standards?..Arsenal Jews shouldn;t be offended, but Spurs' Jewish fans should be? ok :?

And just to top it all off, these people who chant these songs, don't feel they should be held accountable for their own actions, as they're just doing what other people are doing. Madness :roll:

My point is..it doesn't matter if it's anti-semitic or about the colour of your underpants.....if both parties are just as likely to be effected... then what's the point?

The only thing I like about reading posts like I have tonight, is that it reminds me how lucky I am to have been brought up to think for myself and seperate right from wrong using my own moral code...I find it hard to understand how some people can justify their stand point on these issues by simply passing the buck, and not accepting accountability, on the basis that these songs existed before they sung them. Oh well.

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