As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
DB10GOONER wrote:I hate to piss all over everyone's parade, but protests? Waste of time.
The board are many things, some good, many bad, but one thing they don't give too much of a fuck about is you and me, average Joe Punter.
I would also add that we realists are still in the general minority. Most idiotic AKB fans still support him.
DB10, trust me a lot of Arsenal fans are teetering on the edge in their support of Wenger and the AKB mugs are declining quite quickly. I would, though, partly agree with LDB. Perhaps lay the foundations for a group of protest demanding change, but only take action once we're out of the title race because if we do win the league (need our midfield 3 fit and Vermaelen to come back, so unlikely ) a lot of us, including myself are going to look very stupid.
You've already laid the groundwork for that bit, AA23.
augie wrote:A few points I would like to raise and clarify -
1. I do not want to take on the board at this point of time. What I do want though is a strongly worded message to say that we the fans will no longer tolerate this practise of non investment of proven quality players (I believe the word proven is crucial here) and the continued use/tolerance of sub standard players remaining at the club at premium wages.
2. Call me paranoid but I cant help feeling, whilst reading the different posts on this thread, that one or two of the members posting are on a wind up or not genuine. Granted this issue, if it gains support and momentum, will be brought into the public domain but we do not need this issue going public until we are ready.
3. I agree 100% that what we currently diluted this protest into will not make the slightest dent in the workings and methods currently in place at the club. You want to rattle some cages then be prepared to do what is necessary to be seen to be firm in your beliefs - protest outside the ground, protest inside the ground, turning your backs to the pitch for 5-10 minutes during the game, face the directors box during a game for 10 minutes chanting about what we feel this club needs (aimed directly at the policy makers as opposed to the players), turn up en masse 10 minutes after the start of the match or late 10 minutes before the end or a sit in at the end of a game. These, in my opinion, show a willingness to do more than just talk plus they will get the protest a more public profile thus more media exposure that might slightly put more pressure on wenger and the board.
As I said already I will support this group in its plans be that in person and/or financially (if a paypal account is set up) cos something needs to change. I firmly believe that there are thousands of like minded fans out there in full agreement with most of what is being said and just waiting for such a plan of action that they can row in behind. Be prepared for a battle with wenger and the board cos lets face it we are questioning each and everyone of them but if we remain strong,be properly organised and stick to our main objectives then we can at least succeed in raising these issues which may in turn alter the club policies and even if it is a slight change initially then at least it would be a move in the right direction
excellent post - i propose augie for the 5-man committee, if he's willing. anyone agree?
No point mate.......for any protest to work you need people on the ground organising and rallying troops and living over here in Ireland that it just wouldnt be practical.
Anyway us Irish mafia have enough on our hands trying to run this zoo Seriously some lads would have a meltdown if another Irishman was given a post of responsibility
Gunnersaurus wrote:Blimey, since when did we become Fat Brown Ale drinking Geordies?????
Protests don't work, they just embaress us further, the only protest that the club will listen to is if you vote with your feet.
The fans got Hodgson the sack but that is because financially Liverpool could not afford to be a mid table side and the fans rammed that message home, we are financially sound and under no pressure to sack anyone so its a different scenario as the board probably on care about one thing.
That woulnd't work. Look at the Orient game there was easily 15k to 20k missing, nothing was noted. If 40k season ticket holders didn't turn up, they'd still be accounted for.
If a protest can attract the media's attention then it will have much more of an effect because 1.) We know the media hate us so would love to rock the boat and 2.) The club would want these protests to stop so that the embarrassment would go away.
LDB wrote:I would honestly warn you lads against getting this thing rolling at this current moment in time.
Herd is right in that the outside world is not at the same level of anti-wengerism as can be found on this board. Alot of people are teetering on the edge.
You could lose these people for good if you start up a protest now. Regardless of what we all think about our title chances, we are still firmly in a title race at this moment in time. The likely response to starting this now would be that you're rocking the boat at a time when we all need to get behind the team - especially if, as Quartz suggests, the group is focused primarily on footballing matters. Now is not the time to start a group slagging off denilson and diaby.
My advice is to take these ideas and put them on ice until the end of the season. If we are out of it before the last home game you can then start spreading the word initially before laying the proper foundations of a campaign group in pre-season.
If you get the timing of this wrong I can see it being about as effective as the BSM.
I'm fully with this because we would like the fools if we were to go on and win the league. But it is important that we have the basis and things in place so that if and I obviously hope we dont, crash out of the league then we are ready to go. But like LDB said the players, rightly or wrongly need our support right now.
LDB wrote:I would honestly warn you lads against getting this thing rolling at this current moment in time.
Herd is right in that the outside world is not at the same level of anti-wengerism as can be found on this board. Alot of people are teetering on the edge.
You could lose these people for good if you start up a protest now. Regardless of what we all think about our title chances, we are still firmly in a title race at this moment in time. The likely response to starting this now would be that you're rocking the boat at a time when we all need to get behind the team - especially if, as Quartz suggests, the group is focused primarily on footballing matters. Now is not the time to start a group slagging off denilson and diaby.
My advice is to take these ideas and put them on ice until the end of the season. If we are out of it before the last home game you can then start spreading the word initially before laying the proper foundations of a campaign group in pre-season.
If you get the timing of this wrong I can see it being about as effective as the BSM.
I'm fully with this because we would like the fools if we were to go on and win the league. But it is important that we have the basis and things in place so that if and I obviously hope we dont, crash out of the league then we are ready to go. But like LDB said the players, rightly or wrongly need our support right now.
Probably your best post on here BJ
Also have enabled by fb if people wanna have a gander, honestly sick of these non-AFC/AFC JCL mugs that tell us that everything's ok and I'm a moron, the twats don't pay what we do to watch throwing 4 goal leads at St James' Park!!!
I agree it would be mad to get protests started so early. However its basic marketing , we need to get subtle messages across so the media see it. The face book and twitter pages are a start but put protests , sit ins , chanting by directors box on hold.
What we do need right now are banners. These banners will get the media talking right away. Last season a guy had 1 banner up for a short while saying “sign in’s or sign offâ€
LDB wrote:I would honestly warn you lads against getting this thing rolling at this current moment in time.
Herd is right in that the outside world is not at the same level of anti-wengerism as can be found on this board. Alot of people are teetering on the edge.
You could lose these people for good if you start up a protest now. Regardless of what we all think about our title chances, we are still firmly in a title race at this moment in time. The likely response to starting this now would be that you're rocking the boat at a time when we all need to get behind the team - especially if, as Quartz suggests, the group is focused primarily on footballing matters. Now is not the time to start a group slagging off denilson and diaby.
My advice is to take these ideas and put them on ice until the end of the season. If we are out of it before the last home game you can then start spreading the word initially before laying the proper foundations of a campaign group in pre-season.
If you get the timing of this wrong I can see it being about as effective as the BSM.
I'm fully with this because we would like the fools if we were to go on and win the league. But it is important that we have the basis and things in place so that if and I obviously hope we dont, crash out of the league then we are ready to go. But like LDB said the players, rightly or wrongly need our support right now.
Like they got on saturday ? How many of them went over to the away fans to show their appreciation after the game ? I am sorry but we wont be able to help these *word censored* win a league unless we actually get on the pitch and score the goals and lay our lifes on the line for the team Most of these *word censored* dont work hard enough or show enough passion or pride for the club to be worthy of our unconditional support
LDB wrote:I would honestly warn you lads against getting this thing rolling at this current moment in time.
Herd is right in that the outside world is not at the same level of anti-wengerism as can be found on this board. Alot of people are teetering on the edge.
You could lose these people for good if you start up a protest now. Regardless of what we all think about our title chances, we are still firmly in a title race at this moment in time. The likely response to starting this now would be that you're rocking the boat at a time when we all need to get behind the team - especially if, as Quartz suggests, the group is focused primarily on footballing matters. Now is not the time to start a group slagging off denilson and diaby.
My advice is to take these ideas and put them on ice until the end of the season. If we are out of it before the last home game you can then start spreading the word initially before laying the proper foundations of a campaign group in pre-season.
If you get the timing of this wrong I can see it being about as effective as the BSM.
I'm fully with this because we would like the fools if we were to go on and win the league. But it is important that we have the basis and things in place so that if and I obviously hope we dont, crash out of the league then we are ready to go. But like LDB said the players, rightly or wrongly need our support right now.
Like they got on saturday ? How many of them went over to the away fans to show their appreciation after the game ? I am sorry but we wont be able to help these c**ts win a league unless we actually get on the pitch and score the goals and lay our lifes on the line for the team Most of these c**ts dont work hard enough or show enough passion or pride for the club to be worthy of our unconditional support
I know what you mean and it fucks me off week in week out but if we stand any chance of bringing the PL home then we need to get behind them. Although 90% of them are *word censored*, we can discuss that once we've crashed out and burned (which I hope we do not).
LDB wrote:I would honestly warn you lads against getting this thing rolling at this current moment in time.
Herd is right in that the outside world is not at the same level of anti-wengerism as can be found on this board. Alot of people are teetering on the edge.
You could lose these people for good if you start up a protest now. Regardless of what we all think about our title chances, we are still firmly in a title race at this moment in time. The likely response to starting this now would be that you're rocking the boat at a time when we all need to get behind the team - especially if, as Quartz suggests, the group is focused primarily on footballing matters. Now is not the time to start a group slagging off denilson and diaby.
My advice is to take these ideas and put them on ice until the end of the season. If we are out of it before the last home game you can then start spreading the word initially before laying the proper foundations of a campaign group in pre-season.
If you get the timing of this wrong I can see it being about as effective as the BSM.
I'm fully with this because we would like the fools if we were to go on and win the league. But it is important that we have the basis and things in place so that if and I obviously hope we dont, crash out of the league then we are ready to go. But like LDB said the players, rightly or wrongly need our support right now.
Like they got on saturday ? How many of them went over to the away fans to show their appreciation after the game ? I am sorry but we wont be able to help these c**ts win a league unless we actually get on the pitch and score the goals and lay our lifes on the line for the team Most of these c**ts dont work hard enough or show enough passion or pride for the club to be worthy of our unconditional support
Augie as much as I agree with you with the shit level of commitment and lack of passion from our players, we still have to be behind them until we are out of the title race. I for one won't be singing 'One Arsene Wenger,' and will continue to be skeptical about Denilson and Diaby and co, but we do need to be careful because otherwise the credibility of our cause will be hurt significantly
[quote="mikeyb772001"]I agree it would be mad to get protests started so early. However its basic marketing , we need to get subtle messages across so the media see it. The face book and twitter pages are a start but put protests , sit ins , chanting by directors box on hold.
What we do need right now are banners. These banners will get the media talking right away. Last season a guy had 1 banner up for a short while saying “sign in’s or sign offâ€
As i said in my other post. Carry on with teh support for now. But we do need to start with selected banners around the ground.
Just so the media see it
Ok can we open a paypal account so that we can make contributions to pay for these banners ? As I stated already I am more in favour of stronger action but I am also a believer in democracy and if the majority feel that this is the way to go then I am on board 100%. The crucial thing now is that everybody weighs in fully behind this push cos a strong show of numbers is fundemental in getting momentum and appearing unified to both the club and media
) a lot of us, including myself are going to look very stupid.
Most of these *word censored* dont work hard enough or show enough passion or pride for the club to be worthy of our unconditional support 