The Gooner Forum

A11M11 wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:35 am

No the inept bunch of bastards will go for a delay , force another referendum , and possibly it might rebound on them again.
So far today Cameron has crept out of the woodwork , lets wait for Blair and Mandleson to chirp up and watch public opinion sway towards leave again.

Not in london of course.

Why do we need another referendum ?
we have already had one of those, and the country voted to leave.

however it has proved impossible to implement, because no one could agree what form leaving would take.
so it is surely now makes sense to revoke Article 50 and stay.

we need to get on with sorting out the country, which after two years of unnecessary chaos is in a shambolic state.

Ha fuckin' ha
Ingerlaand has officially gone down the toilet.
Get out whilst you can, or y'all be prisoners of the yoghurt knitting bleeding cambridge liberals.
Right Rob, Bob, Bobbie?

I don't want one , I would like to see the result honoured , leave the single market , leave the customs union , etc.
In the tory manifesto 2017 it said No deal was better than a bad deal . Should the Parliament vote tonight to take no deal off of the table no doubt they will be reminded that the vote tonight is just advisory as remainers have been saying about the 2016 referendum .

Interesting the way worms turn.

Yes the country needs investment throughout , we need to come out of the C.A. P. let our farmers grow the crops that we have been stopped from doing with the two crop rule that has seen the rise of Sugar beet and Oil seed rape ( rapeoil ) which they were encouraged to grow to get Bio Diesel . East Anglia is quite capable of feeding the country but they need to act fast before the fields are covered in housing estates.

A11M11 wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:05 pm

I don't want one , I would like to see the result honoured , leave the single market , leave the customs union , etc.
In the tory manifesto 2017 it said No deal was better than a bad deal . Should the Parliament vote tonight to take no deal off of the table no doubt they will be reminded that the vote tonight is just advisory as remainers have been saying about the 2016 referendum .

Interesting the way worms turn.

Yes the country needs investment throughout , we need to come out of the C.A. P. let our farmers grow the crops that we have been stopped from doing with the two crop rule that has seen the rise of Sugar beet and Oil seed rape ( rapeoil ) which they were encouraged to grow to get Bio Diesel . East Anglia is quite capable of feeding the country but they need to act fast before the fields are covered in housing estates.

I'm assuming you mean beef and pork livestock there because north of the M25 the concept of vegetables does not exist.

DB10GOONER wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:02 pm

A11M11 wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:05 pm

I don't want one , I would like to see the result honoured , leave the single market , leave the customs union , etc.
In the tory manifesto 2017 it said No deal was better than a bad deal . Should the Parliament vote tonight to take no deal off of the table no doubt they will be reminded that the vote tonight is just advisory as remainers have been saying about the 2016 referendum .

Interesting the way worms turn.

Yes the country needs investment throughout , we need to come out of the C.A. P. let our farmers grow the crops that we have been stopped from doing with the two crop rule that has seen the rise of Sugar beet and Oil seed rape ( rapeoil ) which they were encouraged to grow to get Bio Diesel . East Anglia is quite capable of feeding the country but they need to act fast before the fields are covered in housing estates.

I'm assuming you mean beef and pork livestock there because north of the M25 the concept of vegetables does not exist.

Dont worry Denmark only joined the EU because we did,they were worried about their pork exports and will leave toute suite if we get out without handcuffs.
The way the goverment has handled this is criminally negligent and has cost us billions and will cost us much more in teh long run. The ludicrous Eu mandate to grow endless fields of rape seed and beet is another glaring example of it's absurdity .
Our goverments failure to prepare a farming policy is a worrying nightmare for our farmers .
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In some ways you are correct . The growing of vegetables for human consumption is something that has reduced since the c.a.p came into force . As I alluded earlier ,the area that I live in used to grow vegetables for Birds Eye at Lowestoft. peas one year, roots , carrots , parsnips the next and wheat or barley for the bread and beer after .it was called Norfolk Rotation.
Now it's mainly growing bio diesel , sugar beet and housing estates,.

May deal rejected
no deal rejected

so tomorrow going for the hat trick and get an extension approved.

we seem to be finally getting our country back.

A11M11 wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:31 pm

In some ways you are correct . The growing of vegetables for human consumption is something that has reduced since the c.a.p came into force . As I alluded earlier ,the area that I live in used to grow vegetables for Birds Eye at Lowestoft. peas one year, roots , carrots , parsnips the next and wheat or barley for the bread and beer after .it was called Norfolk Rotation.
Now it's mainly growing bio diesel , sugar beet and housing estates,.

The very same in Suffolk mate.
Sugar beet rules these days. Tesco and Asda stores built close to new housing estates that had one way roads built and paid for by them.
Local fruit orchards and local veggie growers have long been 'closed down' by big companies.
Lowestoft was once famous for it's smoke houses, crabs, cockles etc. As was other East Anglian ports.
East Anglian beers too.

But wankers from fuckin' Cambridge can't see further than their fuckin' stupid noses.
CANTS

The Arsenal Way wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:46 am

A11M11 wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:31 pm

In some ways you are correct . The growing of vegetables for human consumption is something that has reduced since the c.a.p came into force . As I alluded earlier ,the area that I live in used to grow vegetables for Birds Eye at Lowestoft. peas one year, roots , carrots , parsnips the next and wheat or barley for the bread and beer after .it was called Norfolk Rotation.
Now it's mainly growing bio diesel , sugar beet and housing estates,.

The very same in Suffolk mate.
Sugar beet rules these days. Tesco and Asda stores built close to new housing estates that had one way roads built and paid for by them.
Local fruit orchards and local veggie growers have long been 'closed down' by big companies.
Lowestoft was once famous for it's smoke houses, crabs, cockles etc. As was other East Anglian ports.
East Anglian beers too.

But wankers from fuckin' Cambridge can't see further than their fuckin' stupid noses.
CANTS

I appreciate that you are a bit backward down under but just to remind you that we are now living in the 21st century and not the 19th.

A11M11 wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:05 pm

I don't want one , I would like to see the result honoured , leave the single market , leave the customs union , etc.
In the tory manifesto 2017 it said No deal was better than a bad deal . Should the Parliament vote tonight to take no deal off of the table no doubt they will be reminded that the vote tonight is just advisory as remainers have been saying about the 2016 referendum .

Interesting the way worms turn.

Yes the country needs investment throughout , we need to come out of the C.A. P. let our farmers grow the crops that we have been stopped from doing with the two crop rule that has seen the rise of Sugar beet and Oil seed rape ( rapeoil ) which they were encouraged to grow to get Bio Diesel . East Anglia is quite capable of feeding the country but they need to act fast before the fields are covered in housing estates.

So by your logic we should go back to eating meat and two veg. Unless you have some microbiological solution for growing oranges, pineapples and perish the thought mangoes. To think and believe that East Anglia could serve the needs of the country is in itself frightening but its the same peole that thInk we will thrive in a no deal bexit. I think ill give Bernard Matthews Turkey Dippers a miss thanks.

Today I bought some fruit from my local fruiterer The satsumas came from Morrocco , the Bananas from Costa Rica , The Melon was fair trade from Africa . In the past I have had grapes from Chile . I don't think we need the E.U to bring these things in.
And if you drink craft beers locally brewed as opposed to chemical lager , you will find that the Barley comes from East Anglia and the hops from Kent.

A11M11 wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:49 pm

Today I bought some fruit from my local fruiterer The satsumas came from Morrocco , the Bananas from Costa Rica , The Melon was fair trade from Africa . In the past I have had grapes from Chile . I don't think we need the E.U to bring these things in.
And if you drink craft beers locally brewed as opposed to chemical lager , you will find that the Barley comes from East Anglia and the hops from Kent.

You are missing the point, within the EU we have an elevated trading status and with some of these countries a free trade deal. Being outside of the group increases the cost of bringing the foods you describe to market.

A hard Brexit makes it even more expensive because of the inevitable collapse in the pound. Although its highly unlikely now unless the Europeans drop us in the shit following the vote last night, it's still relevant.

These are things that people just don't think about when they make sweeping statements like we can feed ourselves, the era of self-sustenance has gone a long time ago.

Gunner Rob wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:16 pm

The Arsenal Way wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:46 am

A11M11 wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:31 pm

In some ways you are correct . The growing of vegetables for human consumption is something that has reduced since the c.a.p came into force . As I alluded earlier ,the area that I live in used to grow vegetables for Birds Eye at Lowestoft. peas one year, roots , carrots , parsnips the next and wheat or barley for the bread and beer after .it was called Norfolk Rotation.
Now it's mainly growing bio diesel , sugar beet and housing estates,.

The very same in Suffolk mate.
Sugar beet rules these days. Tesco and Asda stores built close to new housing estates that had one way roads built and paid for by them.
Local fruit orchards and local veggie growers have long been 'closed down' by big companies.
Lowestoft was once famous for it's smoke houses, crabs, cockles etc. As was other East Anglian ports.
East Anglian beers too.

But wankers from fuckin' Cambridge can't see further than their fuckin' stupid noses.
CANTS

I appreciate that you are a bit backward down under but just to remind you that we are now living in the 21st century and not the 19th.

There you go again, Rob, Robbie. Showing off yer stupidity and ignorance.
Selfish Cambridge self serving fool that you are.
I moved to these shores (Australia) last year. Londoner born and bred and moved to silly Suffolk when the locals wre still shitting from the trees. I know and care about the local communities that I lived amongst. East Anglia is hugely important for it's agriculture, fisheries and employment.
You, being an (almost) neast Anglian dweller, should realise the importance of the local agriculture and the farmers. Of course you do but, you probably have investments that preclude your neighbours from being more than just a supplier/worker to you and yours.

Just to add. I was home to vote LEAVE almost 2 years ago. I knew back then that it would quite probably never happen though.
Democracy my ass. Just ask the Oirish
Why don't you just decide why I voted to leave an unelected behemoth.
Fool.

The Arsenal Way wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:21 pm

Gunner Rob wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:16 pm

The Arsenal Way wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:46 am

A11M11 wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:31 pm

In some ways you are correct . The growing of vegetables for human consumption is something that has reduced since the c.a.p came into force . As I alluded earlier ,the area that I live in used to grow vegetables for Birds Eye at Lowestoft. peas one year, roots , carrots , parsnips the next and wheat or barley for the bread and beer after .it was called Norfolk Rotation.
Now it's mainly growing bio diesel , sugar beet and housing estates,.

The very same in Suffolk mate.
Sugar beet rules these days. Tesco and Asda stores built close to new housing estates that had one way roads built and paid for by them.
Local fruit orchards and local veggie growers have long been 'closed down' by big companies.
Lowestoft was once famous for it's smoke houses, crabs, cockles etc. As was other East Anglian ports.
East Anglian beers too.

But wankers from fuckin' Cambridge can't see further than their fuckin' stupid noses.
CANTS

I appreciate that you are a bit backward down under but just to remind you that we are now living in the 21st century and not the 19th.

There you go again, Rob, Robbie. Showing off yer stupidity and ignorance.
Selfish Cambridge self serving fool that you are.
I moved to these shores (Australia) last year. Londoner born and bred and moved to silly Suffolk when the locals wre still shitting from the trees. I know and care about the local communities that I lived amongst. East Anglia is hugely important for it's agriculture, fisheries and employment.
You, being an (almost) neast Anglian dweller, should realise the importance of the local agriculture and the farmers. Of course you do but, you probably have investments that preclude your neighbours from being more than just a supplier/worker to you and yours.

Just to add. I was home to vote LEAVE almost 2 years ago. I knew back then that it would quite probably never happen though.
Democracy my ass. Just ask the Oirish
Why don't you just decide why I voted to leave an unelected behemoth.
Fool.

This is exactly the sort of "Little Englander" attitude that is dragging this country to its knees. You're more concerned with something that contributes less than 1% of our countries GDP, versus manufacturing and services which make up 90%+.

You talk about ignorance, and yet you display it in bucketloads on this forum. You also are the sort that appears to pander to the likes of Nigel Farage when he talks about unelected bureaucrats. We have hundreds of thousands of them in the UK, its called the Civil Service. Do you even know how the European Council is structured? Somehow I doubt it.

This of course serves to illustrate the great divide. You only see things from the perspective £ 1s . , which is fine if you either have them or are in a position to get them , whereas a large proportion of the country are counting pennies..
Personally I am ok , I have worked for what I have and the effect of Brexit probably will not affect me too much . Afterall I can grow my own pototoes should I have to.
However many of the people that I count as friends cannot and I have witnessed in my years in this part of the country a slow but never ceasing decline in the standards of once great towns whose livelyhood has been stripped as their life support systems have been politically wiped away by membership of the E.U and it's policies on Farming and Fishing , which is why in the last peoples vote of 2016 the results were heavily in favour of departing .
London, Scotland and Northern Ireland were the only areas that voted to Remain in the referendum . ( U.K round up from the BBC website )
The reasons for this are not hard to fathom . Scotland for the SNP who wish to escape from Westminster's control so badly that strangely they are prepared to give it to Brussels.
Northern Ireland because of the border control and the understandable desire not to return to the 1970's
London because of Money.
Seven of the 10 areas with the highest share of the vote for Remain were in London, including Lambeth, Hackney and Haringey, all of which polled over 75% to stay in the European Union.
Leavers were highest in Lincolnshire, Essex ,Norfolk ,The Fens, and the East Midlands only one small part of East Anglia voted to stay and that was Norwich with it's UEA vote and the fast (HA HA ) commuter route to London itself.

It's a schism that will take years to heal if it ever does .