THE BOARD - Kroenke, Usmanov, Finances, AGM etc.

[armchair]

I dont get how some cant see that there are many thousands of gooners who still love Wenger, still view him as "successful" keep attending, enjoying.
But yet you expect Kronke, a hard nosed businessman, from thousands of miles away, and little interest in the football side, to see things the same as armchair and steve0 and others on the gooner forum?

He doesnt.

[SteveO 35]

I dont get how some cant see that there are many thousands of gooners who still love Wenger, still view him as "successful" keep attending, enjoying.
But yet you expect Kronke, a hard nosed businessman, from thousands of miles away, and little interest in the football side, to see things the same as armchair and steve0 and others on the gooner forum?

He doesnt.

So, if Wenger does leave during Kroenke's period of ownership and they let him have a say in the replacement - some shit like Stojkovic or Garde - then that will be OK too, on the basis that he's a businessman and therefore shouldn't be responsible for anything whatsoever on the football front?

[armchair]

Kronkes a businessman NOT a supporter like us. He probably thinks Wenger is fantastic. Remember, theres thousands upon thousands of gooners who think Wenger is doing a great job. Why would Kronke think any different to them?

Kronke wont sack Wenger because hes viewed as a brilliant manager by many many fans. Just because theres some dissenting "morons" like armchair et al who think Wengers a fraud wont matter a bit to Stan. To Stan (and lots of gooners) its all good.

So dont expect Stan to sack Wenger when there are thousands of gooners who wouldnt do it either.

As for who'd replace him? I couldnt give a shit. Anybody, I really just want him gone.

[SteveO 35]

Kronkes a businessman NOT a supporter like us. He probably thinks Wenger is fantastic. Remember, theres thousands upon thousands of gooners who think Wenger is doing a great job. Why would Kronke think any different to them?

Kronke wont sack Wenger because hes viewed as a brilliant manager by many many fans. Just because theres some dissenting "morons" like armchair et al who think Wengers a fraud wont matter a bit to Stan. To Stan (and lots of gooners) its all good.

So dont expect Stan to sack Wenger when there are thousands of gooners who wouldnt do it either.

As for who'd replace him? I couldnt give a shit. Anybody, I really just want him gone.

Abramovich wasn't a Chelsea fan (in fact he wanted to buy us first !), I'm sure the Fenway owners didn't grow up signing You'll Never Walk Alone, and very much doubt Sheikh Mansour and his family were waving inflatable bananas in the Kippax as kids either......but somehow they don't seem to accept mediocrity from their managers. Kroenke accepts it - guilty. I doubt the difference between finishing 1st and 2nd in the table makes a huge difference to the City coffers but somehow they refuse to accept it.....unlike Stan who rewards it with higher pay deals than City gave Pellegrini or what Abramovich has paid to all of his managers apart from the 2nd coming of Maureen. Guilty

[armchair]

Comparing Kronke to FSG or anybody doesnt mean anything. Different strokes for different folks.

Its down to the fans I believe. Waiting around doing fuck all expecting Kronke to sack him when Kronke (and lots of gooners) think hes great isnt going to cut it. And if I remember right its usually fan pressure ( isnt that how rogers went? Fan unrest?) that gets the media going then the board act.
Biut I certaintly wont expect Kronke to do my dirtywork for me.

[SteveO 35]

Comparing Kronke to FSG or anybody doesnt mean anything. Different strokes for different folks.

Its down to the fans I believe. Waiting around doing fuck all expecting Kronke to sack him when Kronke (and lots of gooners) think hes great isnt going to cut it. And if I remember right its usually fan pressure ( isnt that how rogers went? Fan unrest?) that gets the media going then the board act.
Biut I certaintly wont expect Kronke to do my dirtywork for me.

But when our fans do anything - take the Stoke Three as an example - it is widely condemned by the media. Liverpool were singing "Dalglish" all round Anfield when Hodgson had barely been in charge for 3 months, Villa fans made the famous "We're not fickle, we just don't like you" to O'Leary, the Plastics hired a fucking plane with "Moyes - The wrong one" flying from it. When we made a banner AKBs turned on the protestors, and a number of people (including many a regular on here) condemned 3 blokes with a mobile phone who had the temerity to greet TO1AW with a few boos and one "fuck off" after overseeing out worst start in 32 years. So what's the next recommendation ?

[GoonerMuzz]

I think what Armchairs trying to say in a roundabout way is that Stan doesn't feel the need to sack AW and that tbh Stan isn't really the problem.

As far as i can see for Stan, AW meets every necessary criteria for Arsenal PLC to be successful, remember although Stan has various sporting franchises he is not a sporting man. His major interest is successful businesses not seeing successful sports teams competing and winning.

As long as the money comes in he is more than willing to leave the running of Arsenal PLC to his surrogates Gazedis and Wenger, i'm pretty sure Stan would be as equally unmoved if we were being successful as long as the money rolls in so what does it matter to him if his 'Soccer' team wins?

[Gunner Rob]

the future at Arsenal is bleak with Kroenke as the owner - that is the bottom line.

Wenger may well be the main problem but with Kroenke still there the ambition at Arsenal to win titles is not going to happen.

[Supagoon]

As I understand it, two people can relieve Arsene of his duties, Ivan Gazidis and Stan Kroenke.

Let's be realistic, Arsene isn't going to go to his bathroom mirror and shout 'You're Fired' is he?

If Ivan and Stan had the ambition most of the Arsenal fans had Klopp or even Pep would have taken over in summer.

[Theoperator]

As I understand it, two people can relieve Arsene of his duties, Ivan Gazidis and Stan Kroenke.

Let's be realistic, Arsene isn't going to go to his bathroom mirror and shout 'You're Fired' is he?

If Ivan and Stan had the ambition most of the Arsenal fans had Klopp or even Pep would have taken over in summer.

Do. Not. agree. IF the fans basically got their act together and started rebelling in huge numbers, not attending, mass outcry, marches etc etc (as there was with the Barca suppliment) then things change. Then no manager would be able to stay in post- it becomes untenable. Weve seen it as others say with Manure Victims Chavs - all the other teams in fact, WHY NOT US

Jeez it OUR BLOODY CLUB. If we dont tolerate it we shouldnt. As it is far too many- well almost everyone that goes to the Grove sits meekly utters an occasional boo and thats it. Disgraceful. Come on you Claudes, lets be aving you.

Course in a way you are right, its Ivan and stan that says the your fired words, but theres other board members are there not? are they all not able to be given a ride so rough that their cushioned lives become hard to deal with as the chanting keeps them awake day and night

[Supagoon]

You're right, but we're not the scousers, we seem to take it all and accept it. They got H&G out, they protested against the price rise, and we do nothing. Gooners are passive lot, we turn up, watch stay silent, groan, chant a bit, silence, and go home.

Every semblance of a rebellion, a banner, a chance meeting in a stoke train station gets ridiculed not just by the media but other gooners. When we win a few games, suddenly the AKBs even the press shout 'where are the Arsene haters now?'. Liverpool got H&G because they were really shit. We're a 'top 4 club' the FA Cup Holders and that harms any outers position sadly. If were truly an ambitious club, it wouldn't be good enough of course.

It does not make me comfortable one bit knowing that the Arsene, Gazidis and Kronke are all in Cahoots and chances of that axis breaking unlikely. This is just my pragmatic side coming through.

My idealist side says this IS our club, for the fans not for the shareholders and if all the fans really wanted it we could force wenger out if there was a unified movement. How can we persuade other gooners not to attend matches, not to purchase merchandise? Remove the income that the management abuses.

Goals at Arsenal are always changing, chiefly because of the manager, and his ability to shift expecations. We need to define what are objectives are. Let's not forget we all wanted wenger gone because we hadn't won a trophy in 9 years. That's done but we want more. I personally want Wenger gone because I think someone else can do a better job, simple as that. If I could qualify what is better. I think our objective is to win the league, and build a team to challenge for the European cup. All evidence says Arsene cannot do this.

[northbank123]

As I understand it, two people can relieve Arsene of his duties, Ivan Gazidis and Stan Kroenke.

Let's be realistic, Arsene isn't going to go to his bathroom mirror and shout 'You're Fired' is he?

If Ivan and Stan had the ambition most of the Arsenal fans had Klopp or even Pep would have taken over in summer.

It falls to the board of directors - so all our other loveable rogues like Sir Chips Keswick, Lord Harris of Peckham, Ken Friar and Josh Kroenke who are all massive football men and have the club's best interests at heart.

Does anybody think for one minute that Ferguson didn't have strong disagreements with the likes of David Gill and Bobby Charlton? Although he wielded a lot of power at the club and built a dynasty, even Ferguson did not hold complete control at all levels and they would undoubtedly have maintained a dichotomy between board and manager.

We have no personalities on the board and nobody who will stand up for the interests of the club. Just a bunch of puppets who are there to bend to every whim of the majority shareholder.

[Ikechukwu1]

http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/ ... t.html?m=1

Swiss Ramble has absolutely nailed it, once again.

Particular highlights are:

* "A further £14 million went on servicing the outstanding debt (loan repayment £8 million, interest £6 million), which is worth remembering whenever any ill informed amateur starts spouting nonsense about Arsenal’s debt being fully repaid."

* "Unsurprisingly, Arsenal have more cash than any other club in world football. Although not every Premier League club has published its accounts for the 2014/15 season, the North London side is clearly in a class of its own with the closet challengers being Manchester United, though their £156 million was still £72 million lower than their London rivals, followed by Manchester City £75 million."

* "The other problem with hoarding cash was noted by no less a person than Sir Chips Keswick, when he spoke of the forthcoming blockbuster Premier League TV deal: “the increased revenues will also very likely bring with them inflationary pressures in terms of both the wage bill and the transfer market.” Exactly – so why not splash the cash before then?"

* "Despite all of these factors, there is still substantial money available to spend. It’s clearly not as much as the figure in the books, but we can say with some conviction that Arsenal should have around £100 million to spend in the summer on improving the squad."

*"However, Arsenal will earn more from the Champions League, as the prize money has increased in the first year of a new three-year UEFA revenue cycle, e.g. €12 million for group participation (compared to €8.6 million), €1.5 million for a group stage win (€1 million), €5.5 million for reaching the last 16 (€3.5 million)."

[Sean]

Of course we need a fan rebellion, but it will never happen at Cashburton ; it's too gentrified for that. Not to mention that AKBs have been known to throw punches at anyone who sees The Old Fraud for what he is.

[Theoperator]

* "The other problem with hoarding cash was noted by no less a person than Sir Chips Keswick, when he spoke of the forthcoming blockbuster Premier League TV deal: “the increased revenues will also very likely bring with them inflationary pressures in terms of both the wage bill and the transfer market.” Exactly – so why not splash the cash before then?"

Good article as ever that-

but I dont follow that logic Ike - inflationary pressures will be coming so spend what youve saved the money for to buy players that will be more inflationary

The fundamental issue is no matter who Wenger gets they get ruined- ozil less bothered again all else injured again, or players loosing form alarmingly- look at Ox and Chambers. A few manage OK, but there sadly arent many now who do.
Whether he spends or not is a total irelevence TBH now, the mentality goes to mush when you play for Arsene, injuries happen or you will be banished to play on the wing. The who to sign is another clever distraction. - whenever I go I hear people behind or in front arguing who would be better for us to buy. Forget it lads- its over. Arsene couldnt run a fish pond in Hampstead heath. Even if you put the best fish in the world in it they will stop swimming for him real soon.