Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[TeeCee]

That's a silly thing to post TeeCee mate.

Maybe it is DB, but sometimes it does seem like some people moan continuously even when we're playing superbly. 31 goals in 7 games and people say 'yeah but we're playing shit teams'...... Last season we were losing or drawing and it's 'FFS we can't even beat Southampton blah blah blah'

Yes moan when there are things to moan about, I certainly do! But seriously, enjoy and celebrate great results/performances otherwise what's the point?

[OneBardGooner]

That's a silly thing to post TeeCee mate.

Maybe it is DB, but sometimes it does seem like some people moan continuously even when we're playing superbly. 31 goals in 7 games and people say 'yeah but we're playing shit teams'...... Last season we were losing or drawing and it's 'FFS we can't even beat Southampton blah blah blah'

Yes moan when there are things to moan about, I certainly do! But seriously, enjoy and celebrate great results/performances otherwise what's the point?

[DB10GOONER]

This is it. Absolutely nailed on.

If you find yourself getting wound up by the timing and selection of substitutions the manager makes when we are 6 nil up away from home you need a new hobby. Maybe UFC or something.

Our away fans who go in week in and out are buzzing right now. There will be setbacks and if we go out to Porto I don’t doubt the naysayers will return demanding Arteta go for his mistakes or whatever but we are clearly heading in the right direction.

So what you're saying is don't question anything about Arteta or the team and if you do then go watch another sport?

No I didn’t say that I said if you find yourself getting wound up about minor details that occur in massive victories for Arsenal it’s time to watch another sport.

Perfectly logical to question things especially if you spend a fortune following the side.

Cool your jets there superfan vivtothree.

You will find there are very few armchair warriors on this forum. The vast majority here are blokes in their 40s and 50s that spent decades and small fortunes following the Arsenal since the 70s and 80s. Long before it became trendy.

Serious question for you and Herbert. Did either of you travel away or even go to Highbury regularly in the 70s and 80s or even the 90s? Because if you did you'd know this forum reflects that culture where our fans would support the team but have a good old grumble about players or managers in the pub afterwards. Fuck, I can remember the boo boys in the clock end giving Mickey Thomas serious shit for playing badly the year after he scored that goal at Anfield.

When a player or a manager does well, they get praised. When they make a mistake, they get called out. Not sure what the problem is with that? Especially now when they are paid millions. Is it somehow seen to be more loyal to be blindly sheep like and never criticise the team or manager?

Hi mate
You are right about mickey in the 80s and actually Paul Davis was a victim of the boo boys a bit too if you recall. Even that felt a bit much.

All I said was that I agreed with Herbie. By all means criticise the manager if we are getting thrashed all over the place by sides but the timing and selections of substitutions during a 6 nil annihilation

70s no too soon. Later

Players getting praised when they do well. Not sure about that I’ve been reading Havertz getting pelters after 3 consecutive 5 goal plus hauls when he’s played superbly (he’s even turned the pundits round) everyone’s perfectly entitled to their opinion aren’t they but I tend to agree with nut flash in that some of these comments are mental to read if not really funny.

Never understood the hate towards Davis. He was a class player and hard as nails too. Loved him.

I suppose the thing with a forum is there will always be posters that post to one extreme or the other due to the inherent anonymity of the format. They'll sometimes post stuff that they probably would not say in a pub or to their mates.

But personally I think the majority of posters here are pretty balanced in their views and will admit when they are proven wrong on something.

[DB10GOONER]

I am lucky by location to have been going over the Arsenal since 73
I don't go to home games that much now but circumstances age,job,kids grown up and the Mrs loving me fkin off every 2 weeks have allowed me to follow them away for many years & I first joined the travel club in 78

And I don't do coke

I agree with the grumbling in the pub but can you remember it being carried on all week ?,you would have a moan & questioning of players & manager after a bad performance get it out of your system and ready to back them again the following week and be full of praise after a win

Questioning the manager is part of football but you have to balance that out with giving some praise when he gets things right and without going in to to much detail & stats there is a lot of repetition of the same questions when they are not affecting performance or more importantly the position that us supporters want us to be in

I think the over analyzing of your team players & manager came with the introduction of sky & stats

I agree with most of that herbert. But I also think most of the members do give credit where and when its due. I also agree regarding over analysing. The stats n football thing has been a bug bear for me for years (that might surprise some of you ) and I instantly dismiss anyone that bases their argument on stats.

[Viv Andersons Tache]

So what you're saying is don't question anything about Arteta or the team and if you do then go watch another sport?

No I didn’t say that I said if you find yourself getting wound up about minor details that occur in massive victories for Arsenal it’s time to watch another sport.

Perfectly logical to question things especially if you spend a fortune following the side.

Cool your jets there superfan vivtothree.

You will find there are very few armchair warriors on this forum. The vast majority here are blokes in their 40s and 50s that spent decades and small fortunes following the Arsenal since the 70s and 80s. Long before it became trendy.

Serious question for you and Herbert. Did either of you travel away or even go to Highbury regularly in the 70s and 80s or even the 90s? Because if you did you'd know this forum reflects that culture where our fans would support the team but have a good old grumble about players or managers in the pub afterwards. Fuck, I can remember the boo boys in the clock end giving Mickey Thomas serious shit for playing badly the year after he scored that goal at Anfield.

When a player or a manager does well, they get praised. When they make a mistake, they get called out. Not sure what the problem is with that? Especially now when they are paid millions. Is it somehow seen to be more loyal to be blindly sheep like and never criticise the team or manager?

Hi mate
You are right about mickey in the 80s and actually Paul Davis was a victim of the boo boys a bit too if you recall. Even that felt a bit much.

All I said was that I agreed with Herbie. By all means criticise the manager if we are getting thrashed all over the place by sides but the timing and selections of substitutions during a 6 nil annihilation

70s no too soon. Later

Players getting praised when they do well. Not sure about that I’ve been reading Havertz getting pelters after 3 consecutive 5 goal plus hauls when he’s played superbly (he’s even turned the pundits round) everyone’s perfectly entitled to their opinion aren’t they but I tend to agree with nut flash in that some of these comments are mental to read if not really funny.

Never understood the hate towards Davis. He was a class player and hard as nails too. Loved him.

I suppose the thing with a forum is there will always be posters that post to one extreme or the other due to the inherent anonymity of the format. They'll sometimes post stuff that they probably would not say in a pub or to their mates.

But personally I think the majority of posters here are pretty balanced in their views and will admit when they are proven wrong on something.

Never understood the Davis hate either

Generally a class act, proper Arsenal man and never let us down really. Glen cockerill would disagree however he was another wrong un. I know someone recently who ran into mickey T recently too in a work capacity and said he came across as a very humble nice and quiet geezer. 2 Arsenal legends

[DB10GOONER]

I am lucky by location to have been going over the Arsenal since 73
I don't go to home games that much now but circumstances age,job,kids grown up and the Mrs loving me fkin off every 2 weeks have allowed me to follow them away for many years & I first joined the travel club in 78

And I don't do coke

I agree with the grumbling in the pub but can you remember it being carried on all week ?,you would have a moan & questioning of players & manager after a bad performance get it out of your system and ready to back them again the following week and be full of praise after a win

Questioning the manager is part of football but you have to balance that out with giving some praise when he gets things right and without going in to to much detail & stats there is a lot of repetition of the same questions when they are not affecting performance or more importantly the position that us supporters want us to be in

I think the over analyzing of your team players & manager came with the introduction of sky & stats

Dont take the complaining so seriously...just remember most of them complaining are Irish on here. Thats why they are fucking miserable

I'm assuming you are trying to be funny there mate? If so, in future do me a favour and pop a winky emote ( ) on this kind of post. It's difficult to read tone in written word format and if I thought for a second you were serious there you'd be getting a break from the forum. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this occasion.

[DB10GOONER]

That's a silly thing to post TeeCee mate.

Maybe it is DB, but sometimes it does seem like some people moan continuously even when we're playing superbly. 31 goals in 7 games and people say 'yeah but we're playing shit teams'...... Last season we were losing or drawing and it's 'FFS we can't even beat Southampton blah blah blah'

Yes moan when there are things to moan about, I certainly do! But seriously, enjoy and celebrate great results/performances otherwise what's the point?

Fair points mate. Personally I'm really enjoying the run. Yeah apart from the victims* it's been mostly the cannon fodder (literally! ) teams but I always say you have to beat what's in front of you. And as we all know, in previous seasons we often struggled or failed to do that.

Then again the pragmatist/realist/negative bastard in me can't help but think it will all fall apart when it matters most. Still, fuck it, I'm enjoying it at the moment!

[Retro Gunner]

I am lucky by location to have been going over the Arsenal since 73
I don't go to home games that much now but circumstances age,job,kids grown up and the Mrs loving me fkin off every 2 weeks have allowed me to follow them away for many years & I first joined the travel club in 78

And I don't do coke

I agree with the grumbling in the pub but can you remember it being carried on all week ?,you would have a moan & questioning of players & manager after a bad performance get it out of your system and ready to back them again the following week and be full of praise after a win

Questioning the manager is part of football but you have to balance that out with giving some praise when he gets things right and without going in to to much detail & stats there is a lot of repetition of the same questions when they are not affecting performance or more importantly the position that us supporters want us to be in

I think the over analyzing of your team players & manager came with the introduction of sky & stats

Dont take the complaining so seriously...just remember most of them complaining are Irish on here. Thats why they are fucking miserable

Can't believe there's been no reaction to that.

Anyway, in defence of our gaelic brothers, I'm more miserable than most on here ( I prefer to define it as "constructively critical" ), although even I lag behind augie, who clearly comes from a particularly miserable part of the Emerald Isle.

[Retro Gunner]

Ah, I see our dear mod reacted while I was typing. Miserable bastard he is.





Oh, nearly forgot....

[DB10GOONER]

Ah, I see our dear mod reacted while I was typing. Miserable bastard he is.





Oh, nearly forgot....

Cûnt.

[Retro Gunner]

Ah, I see our dear mod reacted while I was typing. Miserable bastard he is.





Oh, nearly forgot....

Cûnt.

A c.unt maybe, but not a miserable c.unt.

[Redarmy]

So what you're saying is don't question anything about Arteta or the team and if you do then go watch another sport?

No I didn’t say that I said if you find yourself getting wound up about minor details that occur in massive victories for Arsenal it’s time to watch another sport.

Perfectly logical to question things especially if you spend a fortune following the side.

Cool your jets there superfan vivtothree.

You will find there are very few armchair warriors on this forum. The vast majority here are blokes in their 40s and 50s that spent decades and small fortunes following the Arsenal since the 70s and 80s. Long before it became trendy.

Serious question for you and Herbert. Did either of you travel away or even go to Highbury regularly in the 70s and 80s or even the 90s? Because if you did you'd know this forum reflects that culture where our fans would support the team but have a good old grumble about players or managers in the pub afterwards. Fuck, I can remember the boo boys in the clock end giving Mickey Thomas serious shit for playing badly the year after he scored that goal at Anfield.

When a player or a manager does well, they get praised. When they make a mistake, they get called out. Not sure what the problem is with that? Especially now when they are paid millions. Is it somehow seen to be more loyal to be blindly sheep like and never criticise the team or manager?

Hi mate
You are right about mickey in the 80s and actually Paul Davis was a victim of the boo boys a bit too if you recall. Even that felt a bit much.

All I said was that I agreed with Herbie. By all means criticise the manager if we are getting thrashed all over the place by sides but the timing and selections of substitutions during a 6 nil annihilation

70s no too soon. Later

Players getting praised when they do well. Not sure about that I’ve been reading Havertz getting pelters after 3 consecutive 5 goal plus hauls when he’s played superbly (he’s even turned the pundits round) everyone’s perfectly entitled to their opinion aren’t they but I tend to agree with nut flash in that some of these comments are mental to read if not really funny.

Never understood the hate towards Davis. He was a class player and hard as nails too. Loved him.

I suppose the thing with a forum is there will always be posters that post to one extreme or the other due to the inherent anonymity of the format. They'll sometimes post stuff that they probably would not say in a pub or to their mates.

But personally I think the majority of posters here are pretty balanced in their views and will admit when they are proven wrong on something.

Yes Paul Davis.....think he was not a crowd favourite as he never really got stuck into challenges, thought he was an elegant player
going back further Jon Sammels was another who got a lot of stick....Eddie Kelly another just before he left Arsenal
Nothing though to those up the lane...those fuckers always had someone in the team they hated....weird really

[Redarmy]

I am lucky by location to have been going over the Arsenal since 73
I don't go to home games that much now but circumstances age,job,kids grown up and the Mrs loving me fkin off every 2 weeks have allowed me to follow them away for many years & I first joined the travel club in 78

And I don't do coke

I agree with the grumbling in the pub but can you remember it being carried on all week ?,you would have a moan & questioning of players & manager after a bad performance get it out of your system and ready to back them again the following week and be full of praise after a win

Questioning the manager is part of football but you have to balance that out with giving some praise when he gets things right and without going in to to much detail & stats there is a lot of repetition of the same questions when they are not affecting performance or more importantly the position that us supporters want us to be in

I think the over analyzing of your team players & manager came with the introduction of sky & stats

Dont take the complaining so seriously...just remember most of them complaining are Irish on here. Thats why they are fucking miserable

Weve always had great support from the Irish lads and some great players as well...Liam Brady was like a god to me

[augie]

I am lucky by location to have been going over the Arsenal since 73
I don't go to home games that much now but circumstances age,job,kids grown up and the Mrs loving me fkin off every 2 weeks have allowed me to follow them away for many years & I first joined the travel club in 78

And I don't do coke

I agree with the grumbling in the pub but can you remember it being carried on all week ?,you would have a moan & questioning of players & manager after a bad performance get it out of your system and ready to back them again the following week and be full of praise after a win

Questioning the manager is part of football but you have to balance that out with giving some praise when he gets things right and without going in to to much detail & stats there is a lot of repetition of the same questions when they are not affecting performance or more importantly the position that us supporters want us to be in

I think the over analyzing of your team players & manager came with the introduction of sky & stats

Dont take the complaining so seriously...just remember most of them complaining are Irish on here. Thats why they are fucking miserable

Can't believe there's been no reaction to that.

Anyway, in defence of our gaelic brothers, I'm more miserable than most on here ( I prefer to define it as "constructively critical" ), although even I lag behind augie, who clearly comes from a particularly miserable part of the Emerald Isle.

Why would we bother reacting to a moron ? Its what he wanted so dont give him what he wants

Btw DB10 IF he was joking there would have been a winky emoji already there - he said it to provoke a reaction but as you know most of us Irish members on here are easy going and wont react to shit like that. These days the racism card is thrown around too quickly imo, but facts are if you substitute the word "Irish" with some other nationality and there can be a shit storm on here - I got into trouble for referring to arteta as basque ffs

[Retro Gunner]

I am lucky by location to have been going over the Arsenal since 73
I don't go to home games that much now but circumstances age,job,kids grown up and the Mrs loving me fkin off every 2 weeks have allowed me to follow them away for many years & I first joined the travel club in 78

And I don't do coke

I agree with the grumbling in the pub but can you remember it being carried on all week ?,you would have a moan & questioning of players & manager after a bad performance get it out of your system and ready to back them again the following week and be full of praise after a win

Questioning the manager is part of football but you have to balance that out with giving some praise when he gets things right and without going in to to much detail & stats there is a lot of repetition of the same questions when they are not affecting performance or more importantly the position that us supporters want us to be in

I think the over analyzing of your team players & manager came with the introduction of sky & stats

Dont take the complaining so seriously...just remember most of them complaining are Irish on here. Thats why they are fucking miserable

Can't believe there's been no reaction to that.

Anyway, in defence of our gaelic brothers, I'm more miserable than most on here ( I prefer to define it as "constructively critical" ), although even I lag behind augie, who clearly comes from a particularly miserable part of the Emerald Isle.

Why would we bother reacting to a moron ? Its what he wanted so dont give him what he wants

Btw DB10 IF he was joking there would have been a winky emoji already there - he said it to provoke a reaction but as you know most of us Irish members on here are easy going and wont react to shit like that. These days the racism card is thrown around too quickly imo, but facts are if you substitute the word "Irish" with some other nationality and there can be a shit storm on here - I got into trouble for referring to arteta as basque ffs

Well he is "as subtle as a headbutt".

To be honest, this sort of thing never gets me exercised. The English come in for plenty of stick, but it only bothers me when it's a dig from another country's politicians, or an intranational organisation like the EU, or UN etc. If it's a comment like the one above, then I might have a pop back, but not really in a confrontational way.

I remember quite a few years ago on here, back when I used to read the forum, but didn't post, England lost an important game (can't remember the details) and Sid came on here having a serious piss take about it...a fuck the English type of thing. A couple of English posters bit and fgrom memory, a couple of the Irish lads pulled Sid up about it...DB bollocked him for sure.... and the next day Sid apologised and blamed the booze the night before.

To be honest, I didn't see what the fuss was about. He was entitled to have a dig in my opinion and let's be honest, the English get it from the Scots and Welsh too. I don't particularly blame them and the English have a pop as well. The Irish have very little historically to thank the English for, having been on the end of some terrible things (not to forget the attacks that the British mainland suffered in the troubles of recent decades) and it amazes me how well the people from the two countries get on.

Still, having said all that, I suppose it's right for the Mods (is there only one?) to control the comments, in case things get out of hand.

If we're not careful we'll have Falky and Scot Gooner reminding us about Bannockburn!