As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Share prices rose because of Kroenke and Usmanov's interest in the club.
Wenger has not spent money that we have.
You cannot say that the board prevented player purchases in order to raise share price.
Belt tightening and prudence the season when the new stadium was opened, yes indeed.
But now, the past three seasons?
It is not provable, and it is not certainly the case, it is just your conjecture.
Not when we are supposed to have bid large amounts for Melo and Reina.
Quartz I agree totally that the board did not stop wenger spending the money that was available BUT they also stood back when wenger continued down a road that everybody bar wenger could see wasnt going to work out and THEY DID NOTHING In any business or club management are responsible for the performance of the staff working below them and just as wenger is culpable for his players shitiness so too are the board for wenger's mis-management
Of course by allowing wenger to continue down that non spending route it allowed the balance sheet to look good thus increasing their share prices so they personally were on a winner then
I diosagree with your premise to an extent but it is certainly more viable than the coincidence theory on offer from too many.
We just fucked the league away and you want to debate the board again? Seriously?
Arsenal 1991 wrote: Ok, let's say that's truly what happened what do you propose now?
What exactly is it you want.?
The same thing you do - more investment and more intelligent inevstment in the football team again.
My concern now is that we advocate this position and then fall for the usual "money is available to spend if the manager wants to" line which I am doubtful is true now, or has been true since 2006. There may be money in our reserves or accounts but that is not proof that it is or has been available to spend.
That is why I always say I hope we that we just start spending again or that our advocacy of that leads to it straight away, because I fear to many people are simply too willing to take the Board at their word, when the facts we know rather than the things we don't know but want to believe raise very genuine questions about how appropriate that is.
And if we don't raise reasonable questions at that point about those issues if it comes to that we will see little or no change and have even less credibility as supporters in advocating that change after that.
This whole "it's the boards fault, not Wenger's fault" line is very old now. Wenger is the problem - he believes in shit like Eboue, Denilson, Diaby, Coco, Vela, Bendtner...
Arsenal 1991 wrote: Ok, let's say that's truly what happened what do you propose now?
What exactly is it you want.?
The same thing you do - more investment and more intelligent inevstment in the football team again.
My concern now is that we advocate this position and then fall for the usual "money is available to spend if the manager wants to" line which I am doubtful is true now, or has been true since 2006. There may be money in our reserves or accounts but that is not proof that it is or has been available to spend.
That is why I always say I hope we that we just start spending again or that our advocacy of that leads to it straight away, because I fear to many people are simply too willing to take the Board at their word, when the facts we know rather than the things we don't know but want to believe raise very genuine questions about how appropriate that is.
And if we don't raise reasonable questions at that point about those issues if it comes to that we will see little or no change and have even less credibility as supporters in advocating that change after that.
Problem is, most people don't read your posts anymore
Share prices rose because of Kroenke and Usmanov's interest in the club.
Wenger has not spent money that we have.
You cannot say that the board prevented player purchases in order to raise share price.
Belt tightening and prudence the season when the new stadium was opened, yes indeed.
But now, the past three seasons?
It is not provable, and it is not certainly the case, it is just your conjecture.
Not when we are supposed to have bid large amounts for Melo and Reina.
Quartz I agree totally that the board did not stop wenger spending the money that was available BUT they also stood back when wenger continued down a road that everybody bar wenger could see wasnt going to work out and THEY DID NOTHING In any business or club management are responsible for the performance of the staff working below them and just as wenger is culpable for his players shitiness so too are the board for wenger's mis-management
Of course by allowing wenger to continue down that non spending route it allowed the balance sheet to look good thus increasing their share prices so they personally were on a winner then
I diosagree with your premise to an extent but it is certainly more viable than the coincidence theory on offer from too many.
We just fucked the league away and you want to debate the board again? Seriously?
DB10 There were other posts here today addressed directly to me I am replying to. Remember the time difference. Read the posts from earlier.
We haven't fucked the League away yet though we just about have.
what seems to be the problem....i would LOVE to see arsenal spunk 150m on players and at least be in with a sniff of a chance however miniscule to win the league....it dosnt even matter if it looks like we are getting to the limit....we will get a massive benifactor to rescue us...(like liverpool).WE WILL NEVER EVER EVVVVVERRR GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
SPEND SPEND SPEND....A 30M PLAYER IS 30x BETTER THAN A 1M PLAYER
DB10GOONER wrote:This whole "it's the boards fault, not Wenger's fault" line is very old now. Wenger is the problem - he believes in shit like Eboue, Denilson, Diaby, Coco, Vela, Bendtner...
Spot on. Wenger is the problem, and the sooner everyone realises that, the better chance we have of change.
I see these forums full of hatred & abuse for a various selection of players - we cannot blame the likes of Eboue, Almunia, Denilson, Diaby, Squirrel, and Rosicky for the lack of intelligence, talent, balls, and all round inadeqancies - thats the way they are and perhaps thats the best they can do. Its Arsenes fault that they are playing for Arsenal, and I strongly believe that ALL the abuse is directed towards him & him only.
I also hear some people defending him, suggesting that he may not have had the money to buy players - yet he is quite happy to take his £6m a year? He is happy to reward the aforementioned players with money that they wouldnt even dream of earning in the 'real' world. Sure, money may well be tight, but it is CRIMINAL to keep some of the players we have playing for us. When a manager of Arsenes stature (and salary) sets his bar as getting 4th spot as 'success' really upsets me. Is this what supporters who pay the most in the country deserve? Shouldnt the manager of the football team be more focused on winning trophies than financial stability?
Sad state of affairs at Arsenal. Will Stan Kroenke change things? As long as seats are mostly full - why should he?
Arsenal 1991 wrote: Ok, let's say that's truly what happened what do you propose now?
What exactly is it you want.?
The same thing you do - more investment and more intelligent inevstment in the football team again.
My concern now is that we advocate this position and then fall for the usual "money is available to spend if the manager wants to" line which I am doubtful is true now, or has been true since 2006. There may be money in our reserves or accounts but that is not proof that it is or has been available to spend.
That is why I always say I hope we that we just start spending again or that our advocacy of that leads to it straight away, because I fear to many people are simply too willing to take the Board at their word, when the facts we know rather than the things we don't know but want to believe raise very genuine questions about how appropriate that is.
And if we don't raise reasonable questions at that point about those issues if it comes to that we will see little or no change and have even less credibility as supporters in advocating that change after that.
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That's their choice. I can only try to communicate the importance of not ignoring these issues going forward so that our movement achieves its goals and doesn't settle for being told they can't be achieved when they can be.
DB10GOONER wrote:This whole "it's the boards fault, not Wenger's fault" line is very old now. Wenger is the problem - he believes in shit like Eboue, Denilson, Diaby, Coco, Vela, Bendtner...
Spot on. Wenger is the problem, and the sooner everyone realises that, the better chance we have of change.
I see these forums full of hatred & abuse for a various selection of players - we cannot blame the likes of Eboue, Almunia, Denilson, Diaby, Squirrel, and Rosicky for the lack of intelligence, talent, balls, and all round inadeqancies - thats the way they are and perhaps thats the best they can do. Its Arsenes fault that they are playing for Arsenal, and I strongly believe that ALL the abuse is directed towards him & him only.
I also hear some people defending him, suggesting that he may not have had the money to buy players - yet he is quite happy to take his £6m a year? He is happy to reward the aforementioned players with money that they wouldnt even dream of earning in the 'real' world. Sure, money may well be tight, but it is CRIMINAL to keep some of the players we have playing for us. When a manager of Arsenes stature (and salary) sets his bar as getting 4th spot as 'success' really upsets me. Is this what supporters who pay the most in the country deserve? Shouldnt the manager of the football team be more focused on winning trophies than financial stability?
Sad state of affairs at Arsenal. Will Stan Kroenke change things? As long as seats are mostly full - why should he?
So wait - Stan Kroenke shouldn't change any thing as long as the seats are full (a clear implication that the Board haven't done that either) but it is still all down to the manager alone? How do you get that conclusion? Seriously - how do you get that?
Or maybe make some proper money avilable to the current manager...
Funny how from 1998-2005 when he spent five million a year and the share price was no higheer than 5K we did just a bit better than than we have recently.
But as the share price rose form 5K to just under 12K he profited five million a year and we have won nothing at all.
Funny that.
But we should believe it's all one huge coincidence.
Martins head is so far up his own arse he can't even see the keyboard! He touch types.
Fact is, Wenger was a good manager 10 years ago, who, like many others before him (George Graham for instance), has lost his way totally and is actually holding the club back whilst he is in charge now.
In any business or club management are responsible for the performance of the staff working below them and just as wenger is culpable for his players shitiness so too are the board for wenger's mis-management
