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Quartzgooner wrote;
1.) How do we know national service won't work?
When national service was in effect up to the 1960's, the country was multi-cultural, but to a lesser extent than it is now.
West Indians, Jews, Irish were all part of national service then.
I can only speak for my community but the people I know who did national service are certainly more easy going, and disciplined, and hard working, than my generation.
Getting people to meet people from other backgrounds might help to reduce ignorance and mistrust.
Agree with points 2 and 3.[/quote]
Coming from a Cypriot background where national service is still in force, from what I understand, national service is dependant on your father's origin of birth not your origin of birth. e.g. in my example I was on the draft list for the Cypriot national service, although i was born in the UK, which would've meant had national service still been compulsary in GB I would have been excluded from the GB draft list. With so many different ethnic varieties in GB now it would have to take into consideration their religious beliefs as well. The communities that you mention were established in this country pre WW2 and would have integrated into British society with more understanding than the ethnic groups who arrived in late '60's and '70's. Some of whom have not been able to integrate at all, IMO.
1.) How do we know national service won't work?
When national service was in effect up to the 1960's, the country was multi-cultural, but to a lesser extent than it is now.
West Indians, Jews, Irish were all part of national service then.
I can only speak for my community but the people I know who did national service are certainly more easy going, and disciplined, and hard working, than my generation.
Getting people to meet people from other backgrounds might help to reduce ignorance and mistrust.
Agree with points 2 and 3.[/quote]
Coming from a Cypriot background where national service is still in force, from what I understand, national service is dependant on your father's origin of birth not your origin of birth. e.g. in my example I was on the draft list for the Cypriot national service, although i was born in the UK, which would've meant had national service still been compulsary in GB I would have been excluded from the GB draft list. With so many different ethnic varieties in GB now it would have to take into consideration their religious beliefs as well. The communities that you mention were established in this country pre WW2 and would have integrated into British society with more understanding than the ethnic groups who arrived in late '60's and '70's. Some of whom have not been able to integrate at all, IMO.
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QuartzGooner
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Quartzgooner wrote:
1.) How do we know national service won't work?
When national service was in effect up to the 1960's, the country was multi-cultural, but to a lesser extent than it is now.
West Indians, Jews, Irish were all part of national service then.
I can only speak for my community but the people I know who did national service are certainly more easy going, and disciplined, and hard working, than my generation.
Getting people to meet people from other backgrounds might help to reduce ignorance and mistrust.
Agree with points 2 and 3.
I am talking about introducing a National Service, but it would not be military. It would be helping the community.Nos89 wrote:
Coming from a Cypriot background where national service is still in force, from what I understand, national service is dependant on your father's origin of birth not your origin of birth. e.g. in my example I was on the draft list for the Cypriot national service, although i was born in the UK, which would've meant had national service still been compulsary in GB I would have been excluded from the GB draft list. With so many different ethnic varieties in GB now it would have to take into consideration their religious beliefs as well. The communities that you mention were established in this country pre WW2 and would have integrated into British society with more understanding than the ethnic groups who arrived in late '60's and '70's. Some of whom have not been able to integrate at all, IMO.
It would be for all people born in the country or living in this country, perhaps age 18 - 19, perhaps it is needed much earlier age 14 - 15?
Exclusions would be foreign students and diplomats' families.
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few points.
THESE RIOTS ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH SOCIAL INEQUALITY, THEY ARE OPPORTUNISTIC BANDWAGON JUMPING QUASI CRIMINAL SCUM, that has always existed in our society and always will, now however they have twigged that they can get away with it.
re the gap between rich and poor causing this, sorry again thats capitalist democracies for you, they create the rich and poor classes and they all have roles to play. if we dont want this we might as well adopt communism, there will always be haves and have nots in such a system.
re point about tuition fees....too many people go to uni and it doesnt give them a better chance of getting on in life, in fact for many it can hinder them. man would be better getting apprenticeships and learning a trad as used to happen. getting more people into uni looks good on paper but in reality it doesnt help.
re the apologists and excuse finders, a great man once said ask not what your country an do for you, but what you can do for your country or words to that effect, this is what should be drummed into the scum.
THESE RIOTS ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH SOCIAL INEQUALITY, THEY ARE OPPORTUNISTIC BANDWAGON JUMPING QUASI CRIMINAL SCUM, that has always existed in our society and always will, now however they have twigged that they can get away with it.
re the gap between rich and poor causing this, sorry again thats capitalist democracies for you, they create the rich and poor classes and they all have roles to play. if we dont want this we might as well adopt communism, there will always be haves and have nots in such a system.
re point about tuition fees....too many people go to uni and it doesnt give them a better chance of getting on in life, in fact for many it can hinder them. man would be better getting apprenticeships and learning a trad as used to happen. getting more people into uni looks good on paper but in reality it doesnt help.
re the apologists and excuse finders, a great man once said ask not what your country an do for you, but what you can do for your country or words to that effect, this is what should be drummed into the scum.
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QuartzGooner wrote:Quartzgooner wrote:
1.) How do we know national service won't work?
When national service was in effect up to the 1960's, the country was multi-cultural, but to a lesser extent than it is now.
West Indians, Jews, Irish were all part of national service then.
I can only speak for my community but the people I know who did national service are certainly more easy going, and disciplined, and hard working, than my generation.
Getting people to meet people from other backgrounds might help to reduce ignorance and mistrust.
Agree with points 2 and 3.I am talking about introducing a National Service, but it would not be military. It would be helping the community.Nos89 wrote:
Coming from a Cypriot background where national service is still in force, from what I understand, national service is dependant on your father's origin of birth not your origin of birth. e.g. in my example I was on the draft list for the Cypriot national service, although i was born in the UK, which would've meant had national service still been compulsary in GB I would have been excluded from the GB draft list. With so many different ethnic varieties in GB now it would have to take into consideration their religious beliefs as well. The communities that you mention were established in this country pre WW2 and would have integrated into British society with more understanding than the ethnic groups who arrived in late '60's and '70's. Some of whom have not been able to integrate at all, IMO.
It would be for all people born in the country or living in this country, perhaps age 18 - 19, perhaps it is needed much earlier age 14 - 15?
Exclusions would be foreign students and diplomats' families.
So, you mean a National Community Service that could be introduced nationwide during school holidays for kids between 14-15. That could work as long as it wasn't a government run scheme becasuse they would probably fuck it up. Although groups like scouts, cadets, guides all do things like this maybe it should make compulsary that all youths should register with one these type of groups for 6-12 months.
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Maybe it will bring some consolation. Sickening events over there; I think the Vancouver and London riots just demonstrate that young people today (18-30) have absolutely little appreciation for how good they have it. They're just bored, and they don't know what a luxury it is in life to actually be able to be that way.
Maybe it will bring some consolation. Sickening events over there; I think the Vancouver and London riots just demonstrate that young people today (18-30) have absolutely little appreciation for how good they have it. They're just bored, and they don't know what a luxury it is in life to actually be able to be that way.
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