As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
officepest wrote:unfortunately the Little Mozart turned out to be a massive crock instead yet he was handed a new contract. I think he should have been released to free up the wage bill.
he's just had his best season. Some said 'playing for a contract' the other side of that is if it hadnt been an option, Rosicky had been on the way out - chances are he wouldnt have got game time. Maybe we end up coming 4th...
officepest wrote:Denilson is so out of favour we've had to loan him for two consecutive season whilst still contributing to his salary, this is unsound business practice at best and I cannot believe we genuinely turned down Alonso in order to develop denilson instead.
story I've heard is we were in for Alonso but it was just Liverpool stringing us along to guarantee their primary target Barry (bizarre I know)
officepest wrote:Of course opinions on players are entirely subjective, my point was a general cheap shot aimed at Wenger's myopia concerning his signings and his inability to utilise them properly i.e. Bendtner/Diaby on the wing.
I couldn't believe he persisted with a winger up front when we had a world class finisher like Suker getting splinters up front. Singlemindedness can cut both ways. If the manager is gonna do what the fans and press want we may as well vote for each starting XI by text message
Rosicky had 2-4 good months from January to April, how does that equate to a season? We'll see how he does now he has got his 2 year contract extension (even though for over 30 year olds this (according to your god) wasn't going to happen anymore)
this has the nerve to talk about "reckless" spending...but has been pissing millions away on average to shite players wages and a bollocks smokescreen youth system that has produced f all for years now....and never mention the outrageous 7.5 mil wasted on him
This above... totally 100 pct... Wenger bangs on, moans about clubs and their spending power, whilst Wenger trousers 7.5 million a year... Isn't he also holding out for 30 million for RVP??? Isn't that inflating the market even more...
highburyJD wrote:Wenger's spending is obviously sustainable not reckless - in fact everyone here wants him to spend more
Chavski & ManShitty would instantly go bust if for any reason owner funding stopped
We have balanced books
AFCasap are you suggesting we should spend less than that?
weird post
This is a typical AKB remark... WE DO NOT WANT HIM TO SPEND MADLY... I would like him to spend in the areas where the team needs strengthening.. in defence, especially left back... it wouldn't cost multi-millions to do this, instead he's stockpiling the squad up with attacking players, we need a Number 2 goalkeeper, a left back and a defensive midfield player before anything else... (another class forward when RVP goes yes) It won't cost billions..
1. With the exception of the forehead who only just signed (still goona be shit though), the rest have been shit/regressing for a long time now and yet with the exception of vela the spanish waiter(he only left cos contract ran out) every single one of them is still at the club and diaby is even pencilled in as an important player by wenger
2.Secondly it is all well and good proclaiming that finishing behind the manc money clubs is acceptable but it ignores the large number of points that we were behind them plus it totally ignores the absolutely disgraceful defeats we suffered at the hands of your blackburns, fulhams etc
1-on basis of performances so far I'm not holding out huge hopes for Gerv but 2nd season you never know
Almunia is gone (nice guy, bad signing)
Denilson may well be too expensive to shift
Djourou is a 1st team squad player (I think he has something to offer at CB)
Diaby fingers crossed can be awesome (will be average then injured)
Vela - we'll make money
Flappy - guessing we'll make money Rosicky - might not have made 3rd without him
Bendtner - we'll make money
for a list of bad signings thats not so bad
2- everyone loses to poor teams. ManUre lost at home to Blackburn and only a dodgy ref got them past Fulham
Really... are you for real... Where's the coffee spurting over the monitor... that's a good 'un mate..
franksav63 wrote: This above... totally 100 pct... Wenger bangs on, moans about clubs and their spending power, whilst Wenger trousers 7.5 million a year... Isn't he also holding out for 30 million for RVP??? Isn't that inflating the market even more...
EXACTLY!
It would be like the head of McDonalds moaning about child obesity FFS The brass neck of someone earning 7 mill a year constanly banging on about the extortionate amount of money in the game is mind blowing
highburyJD wrote:AFCasap are you suggesting we should spend less than that?
weird post
This is a typical AKB remark... WE DO NOT WANT HIM TO SPEND MADLY
this is a typical gooneronline WOB remark - why respond to peoples actual arguments? Just make up a statement they've never made and attack it. Pure strawman BS.
My question is very simple - does AFCasap want us to spend more or less?
sounded to me from his first post here that he thought our spending was reckless
where on earth did you get me levelling any 'spend madly' accusations?
I said nothing that could even vaguely be interpreted as that...
franksav63 wrote: This above... totally 100 pct... Wenger bangs on, moans about clubs and their spending power, whilst Wenger trousers 7.5 million a year... Isn't he also holding out for 30 million for RVP??? Isn't that inflating the market even more...
EXACTLY!
It would be like the head of McDonalds moaning about child obesity FFS The brass neck of someone earning 7 mill a year constanly banging on about the extortionate amount of money in the game is mind blowing
its not a complicated POV
some clubs - Arsenal & ManUre for example - spend the money they generate
some people may disagree with how but nonetheless its the clubs own money
outside injections of cash skew the market
doesn't mean Wenger (or anyone) deserves £7.5M
but his argument is totally consistent whilst the club can afford his wages
It was not Officepest's questioning of the contract extensions of the players he mentioned (Diaby, Denilson, Vela etc) that I had a problem with, it was questioning whether Wenger had got it wrong by signing them.
My view is Wenger as right to sign them but persevered with them and other underperforming players for too long.
HIGHBURYJD
I cannot break someone's confidence by elaborating, but if people can trust me on this, I know that our supposed purchase of Alonso from Liverpool was considerably more complicated than ever mentioned in the media and certainly not a matter of Wenger failing to meet an asking price by a margin of £250,000 or so.
OFFICEPEST
What can Wenger do to improve?
Tactics/Formations is the first answer.
More flexibility, less reliance on a system that does not always get the best out of our players.
Go to 4-4-2 for the odd game, or even during a game, with Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain and possibly Miyaichi all used at once in a pace onslaught.
Thorough Medical/Training review.
This is being done apparently.
I would include the regular use of Osteopaths not just for injury repair but for keeping players in top physiological condition.
Defensive Coaching
Give Bould the time he needs to sort it out. That means allowing him his own sessions in the afternoon, not just squeezing in a defensive section to regular coaching.
Spend
Loosen the purse strings.
Not blowing all our treasure chest, but splash out once in a while.
Song
Realise that his position is key, and that he is not the answer to our central midfield IF he is consistently allowed to run forward.
If he is to continue then he should be a disciplined defensive presence who makes the odd forward run.
highburyJD wrote:what's your point caller?
do you want us to spend less or more?
running your own show on here now i see...very active...JD the DJ....anyway, spend more? spend less? no i just want wenger out....he's a has been, new manager..new ideas....not the same old arrogance and excuses evey year...he's the top earner 7.5 M but regards "4th" place as job done, that doesn't balance....do you understand this post
Sensible suggestions however I disagree with Song. As I see it, and despite him being an occasional centre-half, he hasn't the positional discipline to play a DM role. I feel he could be a decent CM but isn't mobile enough nor good enough in respect of the timing of his tackling to ever be reliable as DM.
This is why I think this position, followed by LB and 'keeper should be urgently addressed however, I don't feel that Wenger will concur.
JD,
I Think we're at opposite ends of the page re Wenger/squad strength, c'est la vie.
It was not Officepest's questioning of the contract extensions of the players he mentioned (Diaby, Denilson, Vela etc) that I had a problem with, it was questioning whether Wenger had got it wrong by signing them.
My view is Wenger as right to sign them but persevered with them and other underperforming players for too long.
HIGHBURYJD
I cannot break someone's confidence by elaborating, but if people can trust me on this, I know that our supposed purchase of Alonso from Liverpool was considerably more complicated than ever mentioned in the media and certainly not a matter of Wenger failing to meet an asking price by a margin of £250,000 or so.
In some ways that's good to know. ....just goes to show how easily we all go along with a rumour if it suits the mood of the day/week etc
OFFICEPEST
What can Wenger do to improve?
Tactics/Formations is the first answer.
More flexibility, less reliance on a system that does not always get the best out of our players.
Go to 4-4-2 for the odd game, or even during a game, with Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain and possibly Miyaichi all used at once in a pace onslaught.
Thorough Medical/Training review.
This is being done apparently.
I would include the regular use of Osteopaths not just for injury repair but for keeping players in top physiological condition.
Defensive Coaching
Give Bould the time he needs to sort it out. That means allowing him his own sessions in the afternoon, not just squeezing in a defensive section to regular coaching.
Spend
Loosen the purse strings.
Not blowing all our treasure chest, but splash out once in a while.
Song
Realise that his position is key, and that he is not the answer to our central midfield IF he is consistently allowed to run forward.
If he is to continue then he should be a disciplined defensive presence who makes the odd forward run.
highburyJD wrote:Rosicky - might not have made 3rd without him
Really... are you for real... Where's the coffee spurting over the monitor... that's a good 'un mate..
did you see either the final league table or the 5-2 game at the Grove?
Yes I did, wow Roshity scored a goal... I think the real reason we managed to scrape 3rd was RVP, not because of a player, who only discovered his real form because he was negotiating his contract renewal... he'll return to tripe... I mean type next season, if he ever gets off the injury table that is..
highburyJD wrote:AFCasap are you suggesting we should spend less than that?
weird post
This is a typical AKB remark... WE DO NOT WANT HIM TO SPEND MADLY
this is a typical gooneronline WOB remark - why respond to peoples actual arguments? Just make up a statement they've never made and attack it. Pure strawman BS.
My question is very simple - does AFCasap want us to spend more or less?
sounded to me from his first post here that he thought our spending was reckless
where on earth did you get me levelling any 'spend madly' accusations?
I said nothing that could even vaguely be interpreted as that...
highburyJD wrote:Wenger's spending is obviously sustainable not reckless - in fact everyone here wants him to spend more
You posted the above, but you cleverly edited out this in your quote... typical, you do that all the time, edit quotes and leave out what you don't want to debate... I think you'd make a great MP
We'll see how he does now he has got his 2 year contract extension (even though for over 30 year olds this (according to your god) wasn't going to happen anymore)
has the nerve to talk about "reckless" spending...but has been pissing millions away on average to shite players wages and a bollocks smokescreen youth system that has produced f all for years now....and never mention the outrageous 7.5 mil wasted on him
....just goes to show how easily we all go along with a rumour if it suits the mood of the day/week etc
