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He seems to want to coast through games doing the bare minimum. I don't believe the Bs of being sold some dream.
Even if he had, apart from the first 7 or 8 games last season as well as Napoli at home and Dortmund away he has just glided around the pitch doing just what's required and no more. Thought he would push on this season and he seems to make all the right noises in the media but puts in really lazy performances.
It's actually starting to become more criminal than the postman. At least he is young and limited. Özil is one of the best number 10s in the world. Even if he is played out of position, he is actually quite capable of finding space when he wants to.
If he wants to leave then hand in a transfer request and PSG or sone other rich club will probably give us 25-30million for him as he is deprecitiating his price tag game by game.
Id rather lose the money and get a DM for the difference. He should be one of the best players in this league ffs
topgoon wrote:He seems to want to coast through games doing the bare minimum. I don't believe the Bs of being sold some dream.
Even if he had, apart from the first 7 or 8 games last season as well as Napoli at home and Dortmund away he has just glided around the pitch doing just what's required and no more. Thought he would push on this season and he seems to make all the right noises in the media but puts in really lazy performances.
It's actually starting to become more criminal than the postman. At least he is young and limited. Özil is one of the best number 10s in the world. Even if he is played out of position, he is actually quite capable of finding space when he wants to.
If he wants to leave then hand in a transfer request and PSG or sone other rich club will probably give us 25-30million for him as he is deprecitiating his price tag game by game.
Id rather lose the money and get a DM for the difference. He should be one of the best players in this league ffs
Agree with this completely. I finally flipped my lid in the second half when he gave the ball away lazily again and shouted out to fucking pull his finger out. The response from my learned friend was 'how can I be slagging off Ozil when he's one of the best players we've got'. Err...that's exactly why my friend. Sanogo will never ever be good enough but I couldn't accuse him of not trying - he's just got two left feet and neither of them are very effective. But to see the guy who I thought was the standout player in the 2010 World Cup and one of Real's best performers, barely interested to lift a leg...makes the fucking blood boil. Most of the world's top midfielders play in Spain, and this fella has the chance to be an Arsenal and PL legend. Instead, it looks like he's missing Madrid and stinking the place out with his appalling lack of interest in games
I don't expect or frankly want Ozil chasing round all over the park etc but he seems utterly ambivalent to what is going on around him and it hardly mitigates his awful performances.
I'm seriously worried. Established quality players do not take over a year to show no signs of adapting to the league. At what point do we accept he's not going to be that player?
northbank123 wrote:I don't expect or frankly want Ozil chasing round all over the park etc but he seems utterly ambivalent to what is going on around him and it hardly mitigates his awful performances.
I'm seriously worried. Established quality players do not take over a year to show no signs of adapting to the league. At what point do we accept he's not going to be that player?
Me neither, but anyone who thinks that you go from being an Ozil to a Cattermole just by showing some effort is a fucking halfwit (not the argument you're making I know but others have tried to suggest by slating Ozil that you're almost implying you want a plodding carthorse as a replacement)
Sanchez gave some outstanding examples yesterday of when he lost possession and worked his nuts off to get it back. A little bit of effort never killed anyone
I guess Ozil's game is supposed to be about instant ball control, intelligent movement, sublime passes ... I don't expect him to be making crunching tackles or flying around the field .... but yesterday, he was Song-like in his ability to give away possession. At the moment out best eleven wouldn't include him, despite his price tag and wages. If he's not shown decent form by Xmas we should get rid of him and get a DM.
northbank123 wrote:I don't expect or frankly want Ozil chasing round all over the park etc but he seems utterly ambivalent to what is going on around him and it hardly mitigates his awful performances.
I'm seriously worried. Established quality players do not take over a year to show no signs of adapting to the league. At what point do we accept he's not going to be that player?
Me neither, but anyone who thinks that you go from being an Ozil to a Cattermole just by showing some effort is a fucking halfwit (not the argument you're making I know but others have tried to suggest by slating Ozil that you're almost implying you want a plodding carthorse as a replacement)
Sanchez gave some outstanding examples yesterday of when he lost possession and worked his nuts off to get it back. A little bit of effort never killed anyone
Sanchez is the real deal mate. Ozil can suck a fat one.
We have had the odd luxury player before, who, by and large the team carried defensively - Pires for example. That is fine if you have the correct balance and shape in the team, we don't currently (and haven't for some time now) so can't afford to carry passengers.
He either needs to be given the free role or, or, or
With the pace of ALEXIS, Welbeck and Walcott still to come oil could be devastating but only if we get him on the ball.
StuartL wrote:We have had the odd luxury player before, who, by and large the team carried defensively - Pires for example. That is fine if you have the correct balance and shape in the team, we don't currently (and haven't for some time now) so can't afford to carry passengers.
He either needs to be given the free role or, or, or
With the pace of ALEXIS, Welbeck and Walcott still to come oil could be devastating but only if we get him on the ball.
Pires was able to use his god given talents to the max because he didn't have to worry about having a flaky full back and pretend CDMs playing with him. When you had the likes of Lauren or Cole playing behind you on either flank and proper holding midfielders like Paddy and Gilberto, you had the platform to play.
Ozil doesn't have that platform - at times yesterday he was one of four midfielders all ahead of City's and when the ball broke free we were nowhere. Alexis and the rest of our midfield at least work back to compensate....Ozil is trotting back still when the ball has gone out for a corner or goal kick. He is slowly going down the Arshavin route
northbank123 wrote:I don't expect or frankly want Ozil chasing round all over the park etc but he seems utterly ambivalent to what is going on around him and it hardly mitigates his awful performances.
I'm seriously worried. Established quality players do not take over a year to show no signs of adapting to the league. At what point do we accept he's not going to be that player?
Me neither, but anyone who thinks that you go from being an Ozil to a Cattermole just by showing some effort is a fucking halfwit (not the argument you're making I know but others have tried to suggest by slating Ozil that you're almost implying you want a plodding carthorse as a replacement)
Sanchez gave some outstanding examples yesterday of when he lost possession and worked his nuts off to get it back. A little bit of effort never killed anyone
Sanchez is the real deal mate. Ozil can suck a fat one.
Ohhh! come on 1989 why don't dontcha tell us what you really think!
northbank123 wrote:I don't expect or frankly want Ozil chasing round all over the park etc but he seems utterly ambivalent to what is going on around him and it hardly mitigates his awful performances.
I'm seriously worried. Established quality players do not take over a year to show no signs of adapting to the league. At what point do we accept he's not going to be that player?
Me neither, but anyone who thinks that you go from being an Ozil to a Cattermole just by showing some effort is a fucking halfwit (not the argument you're making I know but others have tried to suggest by slating Ozil that you're almost implying you want a plodding carthorse as a replacement)
Sanchez gave some outstanding examples yesterday of when he lost possession and worked his nuts off to get it back. A little bit of effort never killed anyone
Sanchez is the real deal mate. Ozil can suck a fat one.
StuartL wrote:We have had the odd luxury player before, who, by and large the team carried defensively - Pires for example. That is fine if you have the correct balance and shape in the team, we don't currently (and haven't for some time now) so can't afford to carry passengers.
He either needs to be given the free role or, or, or With the pace of ALEXIS, Welbeck and Walcott still to come oil could be devastating but only if we get him on the ball.
This is where it could all potentially fit together. Who better than Ozil (certainly in our squad) to thread balls through and find the runs of Sanchez, Welbeck and Walcott when he returns? He certainly needs a word or three in his ear about improving his performances but when he comes good he'll be the perfect supply line for the 3 pacy front guys we have. We could even see the return of Elland Road 03 esque goals ie less than 10 seconds from our box to theirs >> goal
Is he in his best position.? Possibly not but I for once wouldn't have him in the centre of the park where losing the ball can be far far more costly, as can standing there watching your opponent challenge and win the ball.
He is a class player but in this league that alone isn't enough - you need to work and I'm afraid he doesn't.
There are other players who can play where he does who are in better form than he is, for that reason he should be dropped.
Being completely honestly I've always thought he was an overrated bottler even in his Madrid days so I'm not too surprised. Still this Germany style 4-1-4-1 Wenger keeps playing him on the left of is doing him no favours. I'd like to see what he can do directly behind a front three of Sanchez, Welbeck and Walcott.
northbank123 wrote:I don't expect or frankly want Ozil chasing round all over the park etc but he seems utterly ambivalent to what is going on around him and it hardly mitigates his awful performances.
I'm seriously worried. Established quality players do not take over a year to show no signs of adapting to the league. At what point do we accept he's not going to be that player?
Me neither, but anyone who thinks that you go from being an Ozil to a Cattermole just by showing some effort is a fucking halfwit (not the argument you're making I know but others have tried to suggest by slating Ozil that you're almost implying you want a plodding carthorse as a replacement)
Sanchez gave some outstanding examples yesterday of when he lost possession and worked his nuts off to get it back. A little bit of effort never killed anyone
Sanchez is the real deal mate. Ozil can suck a fat one.
Ohhh! come on 1989 why don't dontcha tell us what you really think!
It's alright if you try your best but lack ability but this tosser has talent in spades but couldn't be arsed. That for me is unforgivable. You look at the effort and industry of Alexis and it really puts this guy to shame.
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:I'm sick of people blaming Wenger for Ozil.
Is he in his best position.? Possibly not but I for once wouldn't have him in the centre of the park where losing the ball can be far far more costly, as can standing there watching your opponent challenge and win the ball.
He is a class player but in this league that alone isn't enough - you need to work and I'm afraid he doesn't.
There are other players who can play where he does who are in better form than he is, for that reason he should be dropped.
I agree that Ozil has to shoulder a huge amount of blame for playing well well below what he is capable of. But fundamentally why spend north of 40 mil on a player to stick him out on the wing?
oil could be devastating but only if we get him on the ball.
