As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
TeeCee wrote:Sorry to repeat myself, but Wanger said a couple of years ago that he had to make 20m each season. He is perfectly on course to do that, so in his mind he is doing his job.
I think he is following the brief set him by Kroenke, who owns the controlling stake in the club, and mixing it with a bit of his own desire to develop cheaper players into more expensive ones.
Stadium bond repayments are between £20M and £21M per season until 2031.
So if they are met, and a profit is made each season, and the stadium is 85-90% full, and we are in the Champions League, Kroenke appears happy enough.
I can never understand how fans who, on the face of it, appear to be turning on wenker but yet still refer to him as Mr Wenger Even if you dont want to abuse the old senile c.unt like I do, surely calling him wenger would suffice ? We refer to all the players by their surname whether we like them or not so why the difference with "mr wenger" ?
TeeCee wrote:Sorry to repeat myself, but Wanger said a couple of years ago that he had to make 20m each season. He is perfectly on course to do that, so in his mind he is doing his job.
Wenger did NOT say in a press conference (a couple of years ago when talking about his transfer dealings) that he had to make £20m each season, he said WE have to make £20m each season. Nevertheless, the implication he left open-mouthed journalists with was that he was under instruction to make a transfer profit of £20m each season, leaving Wenger disciples everywhere rejoicing at the proof of their hero's financial restrictions. Many journalists weren't fooled though and at his next press conference one asked Wenger a direct question as to whether he was required to make a £20m annual transfer profit, at which point Wenger immediately backtracked and said that he was merely referring to our mortgage and that the club in general needed to generate that money, not him personally. Nothing that affects his transfer policy and easily payable from our vast cash reserves. The man is master of the half-truth, the ambiguous and the occasional absolute lie. And I pray for the day that he leaves my football club.
SteveO 35 wrote:To be honest Wenger is a pup in training when it comes to telling porkies compared to puppet master Gazidis. Wenger actually rarely does anything to raise our expectations (the man who admitted he would give £100m back to a wealthy owner if he was handed the money) and sticks true to form. What I find more upsetting with Wenger is his half baked economics lectures and the constant poking his nose into every debate going whilst increasingly proving he has no idea how to manage a club in the modern PL era with its billionaire owners
Gazidis is the man who'll always be there in May when we've scraped another virtual trophy, promising us all how we've got far more resources available and how ambitious we are.....and still people fall for it !
Gazidis is a glorified PR merchant whose job it is to lie to the fans and then draw as much of the wrath as possible when the promises fall through. He's a smarmy prick but if he didn't do that job then somebody else would - you've got more chance of turkeys voting for Christmas than Wenger and Kroenke choosing to employ a CEO who would actually push them.
Gazidis has been nothing more than shocking since his appointment. Utter useless if he was a player he would be Santos
As for Wenger I genuinely think that a huge portion of his problems stem from the fact he thinks he's an economist. He's sat there for a decade now predicting first the collapse of sugardaddy ownerships and later football in general, and I don't doubt that this has massively shaped his personal philosophies when it comes to major decisions on transfers and contracts. Abramovich coming along made Chelsea better but need not have made us worse - but Wenger ditched the fundamentals of replenishing and improving the squad year-on-year in favour of experimental approaches to test his economic theories.
I wonder how things would have panned out if he'd left the financial planning up to our £2m+ per year CEO and board full of wealthy businessmen (like other managers).
TeeCee wrote:Sorry to repeat myself, but Wanger said a couple of years ago that he had to make 20m each season. He is perfectly on course to do that, so in his mind he is doing his job.
Wenger did NOT say in a press conference (a couple of years ago when talking about his transfer dealings) that he had to make £20m each season, he said WE have to make £20m each season. Nevertheless, the implication he left open-mouthed journalists with was that he was under instruction to make a transfer profit of £20m each season, leaving Wenger disciples everywhere rejoicing at the proof of their hero's financial restrictions. Many journalists weren't fooled though and at his next press conference one asked Wenger a direct question as to whether he was required to make a £20m annual transfer profit, at which point Wenger immediately backtracked and said that he was merely referring to our mortgage and that the club in general needed to generate that money, not him personally. Nothing that affects his transfer policy and easily payable from our vast cash reserves. The man is master of the half-truth, the ambiguous and the occasional absolute lie. And I pray for the day that he leaves my football club.
Good first post mate and I agree completely. Wenger knew exactly what he was doing when he said what he said about that £20m needed every year. He knew people would be misled by it and interpret it as him having to sell players and having his hands tied etc.
He is as despicable as he is deceitful. I really fucking hate him now!
highburyJD wrote:Wenger is stubborn believes in himself.
I understand disagreeing with his methods/results
don't understand the hatred at all
I hate the b**tard with a vengence -
I hate the way he treats regular attending fans with disdain whilst giving love to the tourist fans
I hate the way he sits there with his smug arrogant attitude like he knows more than everyone else
I hate the way he puts his own agenda/morals above the good of the club
I hate the way he continually plays players out of position
I hate the way he sanctioned the move of our captain to one of our hated rivals
I hate the way he continues to stick with sub-standard and/or frequently injury c.unts
I hate the way he is tactically stupid and rigid regardless of who we are playing or how the game is going
I hate the way he said 4 years ago that if we didnt win a trophy within 2 years he would go yet the c.unt is still here
I hate the way the c.unt feels it ok to lecture people about socialist wage structure and financial prudence yet is quite happy to trouser 7.5m a season himself
He is a w**ker and will never go until he is driven out by the fans and we will never improve as long as he is here
Great stuff Augie. I agree with them all and will add one if I may?
I hate the way he talks about our way of playing as though it is something so deeply ingrained in the culture and fabric of the club that we must stick to it at all costs.
The truth is that this way of playing is really only something Wenger implemented himself within the last 5 years. It is no more part of the club’s history than Emirates are. He speaks as though he is dutifully working within long standing club traditions when in actual fact he has allowed many of those to fade away so that the ‘’collective expression’’ nonsense he favours can replace them.
It makes me want to puke when I hear people say how much Wenger loves the club, how dedicated he is, how hard he works etc. and that because of this we should show him some respect. Wenger loves himself far more than he loves the club and proves this more and more every passing year. He loves his own philosophy more than the clubs and if the two are contrary to each other, Wenger’s way will win.
He is totally disrespectful to Arsenal FC and its supporters so why should we respect this man? He shows complete contempt to anything that does not fit into his way of doing things.
I can't stand the sight or sound of the man anymore. I don't think I'll ever be able to hate him as I will always appreciate the glory years and the years where we fell short having down everything we could to compete. It's the post stadium move era of lies and empty promises that have got me to this point. The 8-2 was the turning point for me.
I have supported Arsenal for over 20 years man and boy and my relationship with the club right now is at its most indifferent point, and that is largely down to Wenger and his ways.
When he finally goes I think I will develop a completely fresh enthusiasm for all things Arsenal and I can't wait, although I have a feeling that will be a few years yet unfortunately!
Can't stand this assertion that it's HIM making Arsenal all this money, paying for the stadium etc. The bloke trousers £7.5m a year and has pissed away literally tens of millions more on the wages of players that have contributed absolutely nothing.
Truth is that we the fans are paying for it with massive gate receipts every home game every single season - and Wenger is robbing us of the chance to see a return on that.
Cannot believe we are about to be surpassed by Spurs, they are going to be a major force next season, they have bought Paulinho, Soldado and Capoue to add to an already very strong squad. They pulled off a major coup in Holtby last season. This kid will only get better. He was class for Germany Under 21’s recently. They nearly beat us to top four last season, this season they will be stronger. They have an ambitious filthy rich owner who is not afraid to spend money, who is ruthless in transfer deals. He has Bale who when the time comes will sell for a substantial sum...These are worrying times and unless we act we are likely to see a power shift in North London.
Arsenal on the other hand have spent £0. We struggled last season and only thanks to an easy run at the end did we miraculously come 4th place. There is no way the squad we currently possess is good enough to challenge for anything, even 4th place is going to be a struggle. We have a good team, with strong team spirit however this will not be enough in the big games. Here’s a breakdown of our games against strongest in the league last season:
City (A-draw) = 1pt
Che (H-loss) = 0pts
Utd (A-loss) = 0pts
Spurs (H-win) = 3pts
City (H-loss) = 0pts
Spurs (A-loss) = 0pts
Che (A-loss) = 0 pts
Utd (H-draw) = 1pts
That’s 4 points out out of 8, 1 measly win against Spurs, a team we should be beating anyway. While all these sides have strengthened, we are still coming out with the same lines. Wenger should have been out a long time ago yet all those AKB’s who follow him blindly our contributing to the destruction of this club. Unless fans unite and start voicing our anger and concerns, this club will continue to be run into the ground.
I have looked at the data on transfermarkt and from 2005 when Wenger won the FA Cup, its clear for everyone to see Wenger HAS had the resources to bring in quality players but he chose to gamble and buy unknown players to develop them for profit. The reason he has not won a trophy for 8 years is down to his lack of managerial capability. Nothing else. The truth is Wenger reaped all the rewards for “the invincibles”, but in reality he inherited half that team anyway. He definitely doesn’t deserve this God-like status. He deserves credit of course but that was EIGHT YEARS AGO. The guy is massively overated as a Football Manager. As a business man, you cannot fault him.
Since Wenger last won, he has done absolutely nothing to justify his £7.5m a year salary other than going 8 years without a trophy. There is talk of his contract being extended. This can be for one reason alone. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY HE HAS MADE THE BOARD. It’s an insult to us all who are craving trophies and at the very least we want to be challenging. Thanks to Wenger, our club is no longer an attractive place to play. Players are choosing Spurs over us!!! He bangs on about how this season we haven’t lost any major players, that is because we no longer have anyone worth selling. None of the big clubs are sniffing around because we no longer have anyone worth buying. People will tell me what about Cazorla, Wilshere, Kosielny, none of these players would walk into the “Elite Sides” eg. PSG, BARCA, REAL, BAYERN, CITY. We are no longer a top side and its time we realised it. I’m utterly disgusted at how this club is being run, I’m tired of the deceit year after year. There is a disease at our club and its eating away at us season after season. Watching Arsenal is no longer enjoyable (I watched most the preseason games)...I cannot bring myself to buy anything Arsenal, to step foot in our Stadium until something radical happens...
Time we do something to save our club. It’s time someone officially formed the “WENGER OUT BRIGADE”. AKB’s Wake up, Wenger needs to go, enough is enough!!!
Goonerpath wrote:Cannot believe we are about to be surpassed by Spurs, they are going to be a major force next season, they have bought Paulinho, Soldado and Capoue to add to an already very strong squad.
Never heard that before. Always next season. The doom mongers have being calling it for years... eventually they'll be right of course because Sp*rs are one of the best teams in England, but I think you should wait to see what happens to Bale and who we sign before you say we are about to be surpassed by a team that hasn't finished above us for nearly 20 years.
Goonerpath wrote:
Arsenal on the other hand have spent £0.
Good thing the window hasn't closed then. Does anyone GENUINELY believe we won't spend anything before the window closes? honestly? - I think it's a certainty that we will.
Goonerpath wrote:Cannot believe we are about to be surpassed by Spurs, they are going to be a major force next season, they have bought Paulinho, Soldado and Capoue to add to an already very strong squad.
Never heard that before. Always next season. The doom mongers have being calling it for years... evetually they're be right, but I think you should wait to see what happens to Bale and who we sign before you say we are about to be surpassed by a team that hasn't finished above us for nearly 20 years.
Goonerpath wrote:
Arsenal on the other hand have spent £0.
Good thing the window hasn't closed then. Does anyone GENUINELY believe we won't spend anything before the window closes? honestly? - I think it's a certainty that we will.
Major force? Jesus you can put Wenger down without talking Spurs up wildly like you're a deluded Scum fan. They've added two good players at prices that Levy would never pay if he was convinced Bale was staying.
Oh dear, I made the mistake of commenting on an article somewhere, and have incurred the wrath of elitist Wenger supporters who do not dare hear anything said against their overlord and master.
The author of the article implied that those who do not support Wenger, can not call themselves true 'Gooners'. I said that this was a ridiculous attitude to have and that the author should be ashamed of writing in such a way. But then again, my measured approach was not to the liking of others. Sad really.
augie wrote:I can never understand how fans who, on the face of it, appear to be turning on wenker but yet still refer to him as Mr Wenger Even if you dont want to abuse the old senile c.unt like I do, surely calling him wenger would suffice ? We refer to all the players by their surname whether we like them or not so why the difference with "mr wenger" ?
How about fans who refer to him as There's Only One Arsene Wenger ?
Even if you dont want to abuse the old senile c.unt like I do, surely calling him wenger would suffice ? We refer to all the players by their surname whether we like them or not so why the difference with "mr wenger" ? 
Always next season. The doom mongers have being calling it for years... eventually they'll be right of course because Sp*rs are one of the best teams in England, but I think you should wait to see what happens to Bale and who we sign before you say we are about to be surpassed by a team that hasn't finished above us for nearly 20 years.
