The way to get their attention

Rocky Number Seven · Post by **Rocky Number Seven** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:37 am

Interesting to see how this will go. I am not happy with what has happened to our club but am also one of those that is (just about) pro wenger, although that view from my part is begining to slide slightly.

I believe that serious investment needs to be placed into the current squad and also a freshening up somewhere in maybe the backroom staff to bring forward fresher ideas. If Rice is to go at the end of the season maybe it would be best to bring somebody in with their own opinions and ideas that can potentially be groomed as a replacement for Arsene when he eventually steps down. Bould, Adams, Bergkamp??

My main gripe at the moment is that us fans are paying a fortune week in week out to travel to games with no reward, not even a thank you from most of the players (i know it happens most games but this particuarly p*ssed me off on saturday). These players see playing for our club as work and are there to purely pick up a cheque (I know its partly Wenger to blame for offering these deals before anybody brings it up). We deserve better from the club but are no longer seen as supporters but more as customers and it is as if our opinions are no longer comprehended. I hope this movement gets there attention and can bring the change for the better that us fans and the club deserve. Good Luck to all those involved.

mikeyb772001 · Post by **mikeyb772001** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:38 am

Please Martin dont hijak this thread with board talk.

If you have ideas on how to push this forward please give ideas.

We have all agreed that we wont start protests at this stage of the season. However banners are a good idea to get noticed at this early stage

n6gooner · Post by **n6gooner** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:41 am

SPARKSY wrote:As much as i can't stick that Durham on Talksport, his show would be a good way of getting this out in the open

he and his team keep an eye on this forum and so he will possibly already know what's happening. problem with him and his mob is they would probably attempt to ridicule and be disruptive to the cause

LDB · Post by **LDB** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:45 am

USMartin wrote:I think LDB is right that this movement cannot be pushed in earnest as long as we are contention to win the League. We should get behind the team and hope it pulls this off even if we we believe unlikely or impossible(that will only make it all more delightful if we do achieve it).

If we win the League than we can re-assess what role this movement should have and what its goals should be and proceed from there as we feel best for the club and our goals for it, as whatever happens this season these issues may still be of concern going forward so we should be positioned to advocate our views either way once the matter of the pursuit of Winning the Premiership is resolved.

I think LDB and others are wrong though - I hope so anyway - in stressing that this is anti-Wenger movement. I say that not in defence of mr. Wenger but out of concern that if that is this is or becomes than it is very well likely we will end up settling for far less than we want and need for Arsenal, which is changes in the financial policies that improve the quality of the football team, no matter who is responsible for the failed policies now.

It is irrelevent no matter who any of us believe is to blame if either the Manager is sacked or Board members were to resign or be pushed out now if either scenario is not accompanied by real changes in the policies set off the pitch we believe have let us down on it. Change for change's sake cannot be our goal or we are doomed from the start, and that applies even if like me you feel the Board largely responsible for these policies.

That is absolutely essential to understand now if we mean to actually advocate acheivable goals here.

I can see that its not outwardly anti-wenger, at no point do the mission statements posted on here call for wenger to go.

But, Wenger is implicated in alot of the issues taken up - shite players, excessive contracts to shite players, lack of spending, shite defending etc (he isnt the only factor before you start, but he is involved in the way modern Arsenal is run, especially on the playing side).

Like it or not the fans on the ground are going to join the dots and lead this campaign back to him. People who support Wenger unconditionally are unlikely to sign up to this.

So, while not strictly a "wenger out" movement, frustrations and anti-wenger sentiments will play a big role in garnering support.

LDB · Post by **LDB** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:51 am

For the record, you guys can count on my support, time and wonga once we are out of the title race.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:52 am

mikeyb772001 wrote:Please Martin dont hijak this thread with board talk.

If you have ideas on how to push this forward please give ideas.

We have all agreed that we wont start protests at this stage of the season. However banners are a good idea to get noticed at this early stage

Nobody is hi-jacking this with anything.

My point is simple - our goal is not change for change's sake of any kind but change for positive results - and that change for change's sake is all we will achieve if this movement is simply abour either being anti-Wenger or anti-Board as we do not know with 100% certainty who is setting the policies we are so strongly opposed to or why. If any thing this movement should not be about being anti-anything but should be about being pro-Arsenal

We don''t just want to automatically accept the first answer we get whether its truly genuine or not and say well that's that and then see that after all the effort we are talking about putting in that nothing we want to change has actually changed the way we all wish do we?

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:53 am

What do you guys think about the mission statement?

I like Steveo's effort (edited by Quartz)

1.) To encourage the club to visibly invest in quality players, to allow Arsenal to compete for the major club competition trophies domestically and in Europe.

2.) To seek clarity over the club's youth policy, with particular regard to the policy of rewarding young players with long term contracts that have increased the club's annual wage bill yet not resulted in trophies.

3.) To understand the PLC's longer term vision and strategy. As supporters we have clear goals and ambitions, measured by winning trophies. As an organisation involved in various business sectors, but whose principle activity is a football club, we believe that this should also be the clear and measured objective of the PLC.

I just think we need to add something in about having to pay the highest ticket prices in the world. We should have a team to match this. I would perhaps say the board should either invest the money in the team or lower ticket prices. The planned 6-8% season ticket increase should help our cause.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:58 am

LDB wrote:
USMartin wrote:I think LDB is right that this movement cannot be pushed in earnest as long as we are contention to win the League. We should get behind the team and hope it pulls this off even if we we believe unlikely or impossible(that will only make it all more delightful if we do achieve it).

If we win the League than we can re-assess what role this movement should have and what its goals should be and proceed from there as we feel best for the club and our goals for it, as whatever happens this season these issues may still be of concern going forward so we should be positioned to advocate our views either way once the matter of the pursuit of Winning the Premiership is resolved.

I think LDB and others are wrong though - I hope so anyway - in stressing that this is anti-Wenger movement. I say that not in defence of mr. Wenger but out of concern that if that is this is or becomes than it is very well likely we will end up settling for far less than we want and need for Arsenal, which is changes in the financial policies that improve the quality of the football team, no matter who is responsible for the failed policies now.

It is irrelevent no matter who any of us believe is to blame if either the Manager is sacked or Board members were to resign or be pushed out now if either scenario is not accompanied by real changes in the policies set off the pitch we believe have let us down on it. Change for change's sake cannot be our goal or we are doomed from the start, and that applies even if like me you feel the Board largely responsible for these policies.

That is absolutely essential to understand now if we mean to actually advocate acheivable goals here.
I can see that its not outwardly anti-wenger, at no point do the mission statements posted on here call for wenger to go.

But, Wenger is implicated in alot of the issues taken up - shite players, excessive contracts to shite players, lack of spending, shite defending etc (he isnt the only factor before you start, but he is involved in the way modern Arsenal is run, especially on the playing side).

Like it or not the fans on the ground are going to join the dots and lead this campaign back to him. People who support Wenger unconditionally are unlikely to sign up to this.

So, while not strictly a "wenger out" movement, frustrations and anti-wenger sentiments will play a big role in garnering support.

Fair play LDB - wasn't having a go at you specifically or questioning your point as much as trying to get across that our goal should be not to condemn anyone summarily, including the Board for the record - but to advicate the changes we believe needed and press whoever ultimately is determined to have set the policies now in place. As i said to Mikey we don;t want to put in all kinds of very real effort than just settle for an answer we merely want to believe only to realize later on nothing has actually changed the way we hoped it would just because either the Manager or the Board members took the fall.

Post by **REB** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:58 am

this is one of the reasons why something like this will never take off.

the official forum who do have a big percentage of match goers ,

most are happy to just go with the flow.

http://forums.arsenal.com/eve/forums/a/ ... 3641002024

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:59 am

REBEL GOONER wrote:this is one of the reasons why something like this will never take off.

the official forum who do have a big percentage of match goers ,

most are happy to just go with the flow.

http://forums.arsenal.com/eve/forums/a/ ... 3641002024

Not really the case anymore, even Iceman seems to be supporting our cause.

Post by **REB** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:02 pm

Arsenal 1991 wrote:
REBEL GOONER wrote:this is one of the reasons why something like this will never take off.

the official forum who do have a big percentage of match goers ,

most are happy to just go with the flow.

http://forums.arsenal.com/eve/forums/a/ ... 3641002024
Not really the case anymore, even Iceman seems to be supporting our cause.

still far to many people with 100% support for everything the manager does.

Post by **REB** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:03 pm

Arsenal 1991 wrote:
REBEL GOONER wrote:this is one of the reasons why something like this will never take off.

the official forum who do have a big percentage of match goers ,

most are happy to just go with the flow.

http://forums.arsenal.com/eve/forums/a/ ... 3641002024
Not really the case anymore, even Iceman seems to be supporting our cause.

still far to many people with 100% support for everything the manager does.

Post by **REB** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:06 pm

IM NOT A TECHIE GUY BUT I THINK I STARTED A FACEBOOK PAGE

type in arsenal fc not arsenal plc and let me know what else to do.

Dan_85 · Post by **Dan_85** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:08 pm

REBEL GOONER wrote: I THINK I STARTED A FACEBOOK PAGE

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:09 pm

Arsenal 1991 wrote:What do you guys think about the mission statement?

I like Steveo's effort (edited by Quartz)

1.) To encourage the club to visibly invest in quality players, to allow Arsenal to compete for the major club competition trophies domestically and in Europe.

2.) To seek clarity over the club's youth policy, with particular regard to the policy of rewarding young players with long term contracts that have increased the club's annual wage bill yet not resulted in trophies.

3.) To understand the PLC's longer term vision and strategy. As supporters we have clear goals and ambitions, measured by winning trophies. As an organisation involved in various business sectors, but whose principle activity is a football club, we believe that this should also be the clear and measured objective of the PLC.

I just think we need to add something in about having to pay the highest ticket prices in the world. We should have a team to match this. I would perhaps say the board should either invest the money in the team or lower ticket prices. The planned 6-8% season ticket increase should help our cause.

I am not sure the ticket price issue should be in the mission statement at this point, though it is certainly an issue to be addressed at that level in the future.

I think right now the ticket price issue feeds more into the issue of point one and the willingness or apparent lack there of to invest in the team as were prior to 2006 really, and reinforces the point that there is or should be money available to allow that sort of investment in the football team once again now.

The specific issue itself if this movement does hold together and succeed could be the focus of its next campaign, as that is a very legitimate issue I agree.

If I would add anything it would be something to this effect

"That as supporters we have traditionally supported the Board's adherence to the self-sustaining business model in place for the operation of the Club and Football Team... (add more in later woke up early with a bad stomach ache

)"

Anyway that would cut off all the "...you want us to spend like Man City or you want us to risk ending up like Leeds" comments, and would show we are only advicating realistic and resposnible policy changes for the good of the football team, and besides the self-sustaining model by alla ccounts was used from 1998-2005 and before that as well so it recently worked pretty darned well certainly.