Board Sells - Kroenke Takes Control Of Club!!

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:06 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:Augie

The board love Wenger, agreed. But maybe just maybe Kroenke will shake things up.

USMartin

You cannot prove a thing, neither can I.
Bottom line is we need to spend or see more of the mess that was on offer today.

But not just spend, we need to sort out defensive coaching and medical/fitness procedures.

That is reasonable enough. I don't know that I agree fully but that is reasonable at least. You're earlier statment was suggesting that because we can't prove these things with 100% certainty they are not happening.

That is the trap we have fallen into for too long and cannot fall into any longer. We cannot discount any possibility in advance especially not one with more credible proof to support it smoking gun or not than any other theory.

As to your comments about Kroenke shaking things up - anything is possible - hopefully he will but he has been part of that board that loves Mr. Wenger so much for three years now, so we should be careful to listen very closely to whatever he says going forward.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:10 pm

TeeCee wrote:Martins head is so far up his own arse he can't even see the keyboard! He touch types.
Fact is, Wenger was a good manager 10 years ago, who, like many others before him (George Graham for instance), has lost his way totally and is actually holding the club back whilst he is in charge now.

Board stooge.

They could steal money right from you and you'd thank them for the honor. You haven't a hint of credibility because you haven't got the guts to try andf prove you are roght because you know you aren't and aren't man enough to have the coourage to admit it.

You afraid of having to admit you're wrong you should just fuck off or grow up. Wherever my head is I can see you have no integrity or balls to try and back what you say whatsoever.

All It takes is one piece of evidence. But you'll shut the fuck up when it comes to having to prove you're not just a liar and board stooge. Because that's easier than admitting you can't.

biglunn · Post by **biglunn** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:22 pm

USMartin wrote:
biglunn wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:This whole "it's the boards fault, not Wenger's fault" line is very old now. Wenger is the problem - he believes in shit like Eboue, Denilson, Diaby, Coco, Vela, Bendtner...
Spot on. Wenger is the problem, and the sooner everyone realises that, the better chance we have of change.

I see these forums full of hatred & abuse for a various selection of players - we cannot blame the likes of Eboue, Almunia, Denilson, Diaby, Squirrel, and Rosicky for the lack of intelligence, talent, balls, and all round inadeqancies - thats the way they are and perhaps thats the best they can do. Its Arsenes fault that they are playing for Arsenal, and I strongly believe that ALL the abuse is directed towards him & him only.

I also hear some people defending him, suggesting that he may not have had the money to buy players - yet he is quite happy to take his Â£6m a year? He is happy to reward the aforementioned players with money that they wouldnt even dream of earning in the 'real' world. Sure, money may well be tight, but it is CRIMINAL to keep some of the players we have playing for us. When a manager of Arsenes stature (and salary) sets his bar as getting 4th spot as 'success' really upsets me. Is this what supporters who pay the most in the country deserve? Shouldnt the manager of the football team be more focused on winning trophies than financial stability?

Sad state of affairs at Arsenal. Will Stan Kroenke change things? As long as seats are mostly full - why should he?
So wait - Stan Kroenke shouldn't change any thing as long as the seats are full (a clear implication that the Board haven't done that either) but it is still all down to the manager alone? How do you get that conclusion? Seriously - how do you get that?

Listen.

Yes.... the board may or may not be giving the necessary funds to really improve the team. The BIG problem that I have is that Arsene Wenger should be focused on the teams performance. We ALL know that this team has far too many mediocre players in it. Arsene should be FORCING the issue with the board in terms of improving the team (and getting the nessecary funds). He should NOT be concerned about the 'business model` or the profitability of the club. As i is, he simply has too much power.

And.... besides this, is someone holding a gun to his head forcing him to keep the likes of Eboue, and giving them long term contracts? Arsene should be SOLELY be accountable for the teams performance (or lack of) and the once great Arsene is way past his best. He gave us some great success and joy, but he just cant do it any more. Everybody declines. Arsene most definately has. Thank you and good bye Arsene.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:39 pm

biglunn wrote: Listen.

Yes.... the board may or may not be giving the necessary funds to really improve the team. The BIG problem that I have is that Arsene Wenger should be focused on the teams performance. We ALL know that this team has far too many mediocre players in it. Arsene should be FORCING the issue with the board in terms of improving the team (and getting the nessecary funds). He should NOT be concerned about the 'business model` or the profitability of the club. As i is, he simply has too much power.

And.... besides this, is someone holding a gun to his head forcing him to keep the likes of Eboue, and giving them long term contracts? Arsene should be SOLELY be accountable for the teams performance (or lack of) and the once great Arsene is way past his best. He gave us some great success and joy, but he just cant do it any more. Everybody declines. Arsene most definately has. Thank you and good bye Arsene.

Excuse me but if he forces the issue he gets sacked, no? In an ideal world maybe he should say fuck that and risk just that. But then he loses his multi-million pound contract and has to go somewhere where he might get the same contract but not nearly the same job security,no?

After all by all accounts he chosde not to go to Real Madrid two summers back. Why not? Everyone knows that they aren't going to let the manager do what this Board has let mr. Wenger do. I suspect its less that than that maybe they either didn;'t really want him based on the past few years or were unwilling to guarantee him anything other than unlimited financial support.

See its funny but the closest I have heard a Board member come to question Mr. Wenger's future at Arsenal was Ken Friar who told the AST that if Mr. Wenger did ask for the 30 million pounds for a player that other Board members insisted he would get without hesitation that his job would then be on the line I think that told us everything we need to know about how genuine the Board's support of the manager is.

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:20 pm

After all by all accounts he chose not to go to Real Madrid two summers back. Why not?

You're so obsessed you can't even see the answer Martin, this is your problem.

At Madrid he would be held ACCOUNTABLE. If he failed miserably like he has at Arsenal he would be sacked and Wenger wouldn't dare risk that. That is why he didn't and wouldn't manage Madrid or any other big club. Wenger knows there is no accountability at Arsenal because the board are happy...as I've said MANY times, with him finishing top 4 and getting CL money.
Nothing will change at Arsenal until Wenger chooses to go or we fail to qualify for the CL.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:27 pm

TeeCee wrote:
After all by all accounts he chose not to go to Real Madrid two summers back. Why not?
You're so obsessed you can't even see the answer Martin, this is your problem.

At Madrid he would be held ACCOUNTABLE. If he failed miserably like he has at Arsenal he would be sacked and Wenger wouldn't dare risk that. That is why he didn't and wouldn't manage Madrid or any other big club. Wenger knows there is no accountability at Arsenal because the board are happy...as I've said MANY times, with him finishing top 4 and getting CL money.
Nothing will change at Arsenal until Wenger chooses to go or we fail to qualify for the CL.

Read what you are saying

Nothing will change at Arsenal until... we fail to qualify for the CL.

Yes you mention Mr. Wenger but the bottom line is nothing will change whether he is here or not and this confirms this does it not? Because that means nothing will change under any manager until then.

That is my whole point - that nothing will change until the people in charge of making money available address the fact that it is either not being made available or not being spent. It doesn't matter who the manager is.

Now are you going to deny that because you said that right there. There is no way to deny that and retain even a shred of credibility and objectivity is there?

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:30 pm

And I agree fully he would be held accountable for what he does or does not do, but there would never be any doubt that he would have the full resources to do it would there at RM? If you think that is happening at Arsenal you must be on acid...and really good acid too.

Or you must have that one piece of evidence to support thatyou seem unable to share for some odd reason...

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:42 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z1JoSSda4u

Doesn't look good at all except to the people trusted to do what was best for Arsenal and apparently felt selling for 12K a share for themselves was best for Arsenal

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:35 pm

For Gods sake man, stop repeating the same thing over and over

Yes you mention Mr. Wenger but the bottom line is nothing will change whether he is here or not

Where is your evidence that nothing will change under a new manager Martin. Don't answer this with a question , don't skip around it, just provide evidence that nothing will change if we sacked Wenger tomorrow and employed someone like Hiddink or Mourinho.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:43 pm

That's easy TeeCee there is none and you know it, or you would have produced it by now. And alll I am saying is that that should be a concern to all of us.

And I'll ask whatever I want. that you don't have the ability to answer it the way you want or the guts to acknowledge that doesn't make it my job to spare you from having that reality exposed.

We know that things have not changed since 2006 and there is not one piece of evidence you have shared that this is solely down to the manager. And there is not piece of evidence you can present stating that anything will change mving forward is there?

If there was you would only be too happy to share it I suspect.

Like I say you are a Board stooge who is happy to let the Baord profit at yours anbd every Gooner's expense.

Now I answered your question. When will you answer mine?

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:41 am

Finally the penny has dropped!!!!

You've answered your own question to me Martin. There is no evidence that things would not change under a new manager. Sorted, end of discussion.

The Caped Crusader · Post by **The Caped Crusader** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:50 am

Gunnersaurus wrote:Wengers vanity is destroying the club, nothing more, nothing less.

Steady on, if Arsenal are a destroyed club what are Chelsea? Man City? Spurs? Liverpool?

Our "destroyed" club will still finish above them despite our shortcomings and their splurging of cash, so lets keep things in perspective.

That said it should be clear to all that the noble attempt to build, rather than buy, a league winning side has failed for yet another season.

While it probably would have been financially suicidal to even try to match Chel$ki pound for pound during the Murhino years now that the russian gangster than bankrolls them seems to be more of a liability, and the easy credit that other clubs had to finance themselves has dried up, Arsenal need to make their prudence pay and invest where the squad has obvious weaknesses, we all know where they are.

We have been 3 or 4 top quality players short of winning the league for some time.

I want Wenger and the brand of football he has brought to the club to remain, but for christs sake lets see some new blood to fix the obvious problems we have.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:01 am

You're a coward and liar and that's that. It's all you'll ever be I'm guessing. And that is solely on you. Good luck with it all the same.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:10 am

The Caped Crusader wrote: While it probably would have been financially suicidal to even try to match Chel$ki pound for pound during the Murhino years now that the russian gangster than bankrolls them seems to be more of a liability, and the easy credit that other clubs had to finance themselves has dried up, Arsenal need to make their prudence pay and invest where the squad has obvious weaknesses, we all know where they are.

We have been 3 or 4 top quality players short of winning the league for some time.

I want Wenger and the brand of football he has brought to the club to remain, but for christs sake lets see some new blood to fix the obvious problems we have.

Where did anybody suggest matching Chelsea financially? If we had simply matched ourselves from 1998-2005 from 2006-now we would have five more 10 million pound transfers since then and that is what Tom Vermaelen cost. So we could have had those players the past several years if the Club had simply shown that much more ambition - 10 million pounds a year.

So maybe just maybe if our club had shown that much more ambition we never would have been short those players or not for more than a year or two. Even if you just say had we done that each summer since 2007 or 2008 we could have all or most of those players now and some of them for 2-3 seasons already.

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:36 am

It's like a Duracell bunny that goes on and on spouting verbal diarrhea.

Martin, get over yourself or are you really retarded? On second thoughts, don't answer that one, it's obvious you are because the evidence has been laid out in front of you and yet the record is stuck on the same section. I bet you can't be married as you would have bored the tits off your wife 20 years ago! In fact, she'd have stuck a cap in yo' ass years before now! You are truly the most boring person I have ever come across so I'll leave you to your board wankfest now, tissues at the ready, keyboard cover on....yeeha!!