The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[GoonerMuzz]

It is ironic the ones who are now moaning about losing a democratic referendum are turning out to be the least democratically minded people.

Nationalism is not the same as racism, i work with people from different EU countries and we've had some really good debates at work in the lead up to this referendum, the majority of us see ourselves as being natives of the land we were born first and foremost rather than 'European', including Poles, Czechs, German, Dutch, English, Scots and even a Welshman (we ignored the Oirish bloke, he is barely human might even be related to DB10 if i'm honest as he is quite short).

Personally the initial losses in the financial markets are slightly worrying but not unexpected i think rather than watching for the 4 Horseman i will wait for it to stabilise rather than have a knee jerk reaction panic as some seem to have had especially in the media.

As for the argument about the older people screwing the younger people couldn't an argument be made that the older people have much more life experience and are therefore able to take a more balanced view of things, by the way the irony is that many older people voted for remain too so maybe they shouldn't have been allowed to vote because they can't be trusted either.

My teenagers can barely get their heads out of whatsapp, facebook, twitter et all to actually pay attention to the world about them so i'm not sure exactly how they'd be able to make a judgement on a vote such as this except from what all their 'friends' were saying online, and it's not exactly as if the media took a neutral balanced viewpoint during the run-up to provide enough accurate information to decide on.

I'll be frank neither side of this debate has covered itself in glory both before and after the election and we are embarrassing ourselves in front of the entire world with the petty bickering and back stabbing right now, everyone should be accepting the decision and moving on and getting the country working rather than crying into their glasses or gloating.

Right now i'm ashamed to call myself British

[arseofacrow]

On the other hand, once the initial shock has died down, the country can look forward to significant disinvestment and trade imbalances.

Wrong headed referendum and stupid outcome.

[arseofacrow]

Also, we need a premier league table of leave or remain.

[Rugby Gooner]

SlyNews certainly have an agenda. The only Remain people they've interviewed have been obviously educated people with at least a basic grasp of economics etc that can speak well. Whereas the only Leave people they seem to have interviewed have been xenophobic Little Englanders that can't grunt much more than "We's English. We don't want them foreigners and immigrants here."

They are not making the English people look too good...

The media in general are portraying ANYONE who voted "Leave" as uneducated racist retards.
Also the day before the vote there was a discussion on sky where the two Remain representatives demanded assurances from the Leave representatives that "they would unconditionally accept the result of referendum as it would be the choice of the people." Fast forward 24 hours,and they are demanding a 2nd referendum as the result didn't go THEIR way. The scary thing is they may very well subvert the democratic process and get it!

You did see Nigel Farage say if it was a 52-48 win for Remain he wouldn't accept it didn't you?

No I didn't mate,but if he did,shame on him.He also wasn't part of the official "Leave" campaign. I am however genuinely worried that a combination of "the establishment" and the "inner M25 elite" are going to continually try to discredit the result until it is re-run. Also,although the leave win has triggered calls for a 2nd Scottish referendum,as well as one for a united Ireland,Queen Nicola 1st of Scotland and McGuiness and Adams didn't have to be dragged kicking and screaming to call for them.They were just waiting to pounce on the opportunity.

[northbank123]

SlyNews certainly have an agenda. The only Remain people they've interviewed have been obviously educated people with at least a basic grasp of economics etc that can speak well. Whereas the only Leave people they seem to have interviewed have been xenophobic Little Englanders that can't grunt much more than "We's English. We don't want them foreigners and immigrants here."

They are not making the English people look too good...

Yesterday on BBC News they remained three university students/graduates in Cambridge who were pro-Remain and all dressed smartly and were articulate. They then went to Peterborough and found the three most vile human beings they could to put forward as your average Leave voter.

Absolute panic stations in the EU institutions and the rhetoric is even more aggressive than I expected, underlining how worried they are that this will trigger the collapse of their federalist project. Especially now they've realised that they can't actually force the UK to serve the Art. 50 notice and hence there is no long stop date for the UK leaving.

The likes of Farage would have been even worse with demanding a re-vote and would have slung as much mud as possible - including undoubtedly alleging unlawfulness about extending the registration deadline. Id like to think that he would have been a bit more creative than "we need a second referendum because we didn't get the result our side wanted" though.

Scotland can't hold a legally binding referendum without the UK government's permission - which you don't imagine is going to be forthcoming. They had their once in a generation chance and they voted to stay. There is nothing any more democratically unacceptable about Scotland being pulled out despite voting remain than there is about my road being pulled out despite a remain majority. The Scots were given a tremendous democratic privilege to vote on their independence and that was honoured, part of that vote was accepting that Westminster would remain responsible for all reserved (non-devolved) matters such as this.

The SNP have been hankering for a second referendum since they lost the first one. Would have been amusing if they had voted for independence and seen their North Sea oil-based voodoo economics torn to pieces with the tumbling world prices for oil.

[northbank123]

And there is 0% chance of there being another referendum. The choice was given to the people and it was made. Short of electoral fraud there is nothing to legally dispute.

And given that disconnect from and anger towards the political parties are worse than ever, what politician is going to stick their neck out on the line and say that Parliament shouldn't be bound by the will of the people after calling a referendum?

[augie]

SlyNews certainly have an agenda. The only Remain people they've interviewed have been obviously educated people with at least a basic grasp of economics etc that can speak well. Whereas the only Leave people they seem to have interviewed have been xenophobic Little Englanders that can't grunt much more than "We's English. We don't want them foreigners and immigrants here."

They are not making the English people look too good...

Yesterday on BBC News they remained three university students/graduates in Cambridge who were pro-Remain and all dressed smartly and were articulate. They then went to Peterborough and found the three most vile human beings they could to put forward as your average Leave voter.

Absolute panic stations in the EU institutions and the rhetoric is even more aggressive than I expected, underlining how worried they are that this will trigger the collapse of their federalist project. Especially now they've realised that they can't actually force the UK to serve the Art. 50 notice and hence there is no long stop date for the UK leaving.

The likes of Farage would have been even worse with demanding a re-vote and would have slung as much mud as possible - including undoubtedly alleging unlawfulness about extending the registration deadline. Id like to think that he would have been a bit more creative than "we need a second referendum because we didn't get the result our side wanted" though.

Scotland can't hold a legally binding referendum without the UK government's permission - which you don't imagine is going to be forthcoming. They had their once in a generation chance and they voted to stay. There is nothing any more democratically unacceptable about Scotland being pulled out despite voting remain than there is about my road being pulled out despite a remain majority. The Scots were given a tremendous democratic privilege to vote on their independence and that was honoured, part of that vote was accepting that Westminster would remain responsible for all reserved (non-devolved) matters such as this.

The SNP have been hankering for a second referendum since they lost the first one. Would have been amusing if they had voted for independence and seen their North Sea oil-based voodoo economics torn to pieces with the tumbling world prices for oil.

Absolutely agree with that - the scots had their chance to leave last year and the cowardly fcukers decided to stay (William Wallace would have been ashamed ) - they decided to stay sucking from the proverbial british tit and they should be made honour that now

I also agree that there should be no second referendum - whether people agree or disagree with the decision, democracy dictates that every individual has a right to vote on decisions but they most then accept the decision of the majority.

[Rosie_titters]

And there is 0% chance of there being another referendum. The choice was given to the people and it was made. Short of electoral fraud there is nothing to legally dispute.

And given that disconnect from and anger towards the political parties are worse than ever, what politician is going to stick their neck out on the line and say that Parliament shouldn't be bound by the will of the people after calling a referendum?

I agree and how much would that cost the tax payer if there was a second one. It's probably already cost a small fortune. Printing off all those ballot papers. hiring people to sit in the ballot stations and count the ballot papers.
And what would happen if the Out's won again. But still didn't meet the necessary % needed. Would we have a 3rd and 4th or until the remain campaign win.
Exactly whether you agree to be in or out. The out's won. So that should be it. Another thing annoying is all the young INs telling all the old folk to piss off and die and you've fucked up our future. Who do these' young fuckers thing have been paying in to the NI and TAX systems for 30 or 40 years. My old man is 73 and voted out. Worked his bollocks off for over 50 years. So i think he might be entitled to his opinion.

[Rugby Gooner]

The Labour mp David Lammy has just declared that he would vote in favour of a 2nd referendum! What a c.unt!!! Does that mean if he stands,and wins at the next General Election, he will submit to a By-Election if somebody he defeated asks for one?
This "campaign" against the result of the referendum is now becoming toxic. If these fuckers do not accept democractic decisions they should resign immediately and pay back any earnings accrued to the taxman! They should either accept the will of the electorate,or declare themselves to be against the democratic process!

[augie]

My eldest son has just said that real madrid might have to sell one of their "foreign" stars now - apparently bale wont be classed as a European players and cos they already have danilo, rodriguez and casimero, they need to sell one (they are only allowed 3) as soon as uk is confirmed out by uefa

[the playing mantis]

Its hard to explain because as usual you dont know what your talking about .
You have NO idea what BREXIT will mean ,neither do I becuase no-one can really know .
For me its a simple thing , I dont like non elected people making the laws for my country .
The last expansion of Europe to include the eastern european copuntries and the ruinous euro integration has left many countiries on the brink of destitution and its dragging us down too .
This will only continue if we remain as the federalists will countinue to expand eastwards !

You really can't have a debate with people who are as uninformed as you are. That's probably why we will Brexit, because the masses in this country are living in the past and haven't got a clue about the concept of globalisation.

Every point I have made in my last post, had a clear and rational economic principle. You haven't done anything but confirm your ignorance so I will stop wasting my energy.

haha pathetic. really hope these condesedning remainers f off to france or germany now...or scotland... bbbbbbbbbut i dont have the right anymore...oh well tough. but then again its not like its massively difficult for non eu nationals to work and live in those places is it or visa free travel being a thing to most european countries, eu or not...

[StuartL]

I liken the calls for a 2nd referendum to the Bill & Ted's bogus journey challenge v death

They beat him ( at battleships) so he then turns in into a "best 2 out of 3" challenge and so on and on etc

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[Chippy]

Nicked from the Grauniad

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

[wilko49er]

Well thats that fucked cameron has said no second referendum, and as to the " petition" Hah hah!!
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/26/the-petit ... t-5967021/

[NickF]

People such as Nicola Sturgeon and those who are calling for a second referendum need look at how democracy works.
You can't just keep calling for referendums on the same thing until you get the result you want.