As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
There’s a small matter competition rules which the PL has to comply with. They can’t just make things up. As it stands, millions of ££ are being spent on lawyers and I doubt the PL has the financial appetite for a drawn out legal war. This could get ugly and go on for several years. They are both greedy parties so I couldn’t give a toss how this ends up
It could be argued that Cheaty are the ones breaking Competition Law. One of the principles of CL is one company cannot abuse it's dominant market position. It could be argued that by not complying with Premier League PSR that is exactly what they are doing due to their wealth compared to other clubs within PL.
Having said that I don't think Competition Law applies to a sporting body. More likely to apply to Sly Sports who clearly has a dominant market position.
As you say the lawyers would get richer as it drags on for years.
There’s a small matter competition rules which the PL has to comply with. They can’t just make things up. As it stands, millions of ££ are being spent on lawyers and I doubt the PL has the financial appetite for a drawn out legal war. This could get ugly and go on for several years. They are both greedy parties so I couldn’t give a toss how this ends up
It could be argued that Cheaty are the ones breaking Competition Law. One of the principles of CL is one company cannot abuse it's dominant market position. It could be argued that by not complying with Premier League PSR that is exactly what they are doing due to their wealth compared to other clubs within PL.
Having said that I don't think Competition Law applies to a sporting body. More likely to apply to Sly Sports who clearly has a dominant market position.
As you say the lawyers would get richer as it drags on for years.
We all know that regardless of what arena of life it is,; Sports, Politics, Criminal Justice Systems etc: Money Talks and Justice Walks.
There’s a small matter competition rules which the PL has to comply with. They can’t just make things up. As it stands, millions of ££ are being spent on lawyers and I doubt the PL has the financial appetite for a drawn out legal war. This could get ugly and go on for several years. They are both greedy parties so I couldn’t give a toss how this ends up
It could be argued that Cheaty are the ones breaking Competition Law. One of the principles of CL is one company cannot abuse it's dominant market position. It could be argued that by not complying with Premier League PSR that is exactly what they are doing due to their wealth compared to other clubs within PL.
Having said that I don't think Competition Law applies to a sporting body. More likely to apply to Sly Sports who clearly has a dominant market position.
As you say the lawyers would get richer as it drags on for years.
You cannot comply with a rule that’s been deemed illegal by a tribunal. The PSR rules originally excluded shareholder loans and also allowed PL to make its own fair market value assessment on commercial deals. These were all deemed illegal. Most clubs receive interest free loans from their owners, ourselves included, so this is not just about City.
The PL also blocked some clubs from completing commercial deals because of disagreement on the fair market value. Now that parts of these rules, have been deemed illegal, these clubs could claim damages.
So this is a very complicated case and could end up in a long drawn out appeal process. If City get found guilty and depending on the penalty, several clubs could pursue claims for financial loss and it would open the door for more chaos. Remember City successfully won an appeal against UEFA after they were banned from Europe in 2020. They paid a large fine and the case was closed and I don’t expect any different here. Money talks and the PL made its bed when it opened the door to rich owners.
There’s a small matter competition rules which the PL has to comply with. They can’t just make things up. As it stands, millions of ££ are being spent on lawyers and I doubt the PL has the financial appetite for a drawn out legal war. This could get ugly and go on for several years. They are both greedy parties so I couldn’t give a toss how this ends up
It could be argued that Cheaty are the ones breaking Competition Law. One of the principles of CL is one company cannot abuse it's dominant market position. It could be argued that by not complying with Premier League PSR that is exactly what they are doing due to their wealth compared to other clubs within PL.
Having said that I don't think Competition Law applies to a sporting body. More likely to apply to Sly Sports who clearly has a dominant market position.
As you say the lawyers would get richer as it drags on for years.
You cannot comply with a rule that’s been deemed illegal by a tribunal. The PSR rules originally excluded shareholder loans and also allowed PL to make its own fair market value assessment on commercial deals. These were all deemed illegal. Most clubs receive interest free loans from their owners, ourselves included, so this is not just about City.
The PL also blocked some clubs from completing commercial deals because of disagreement on the fair market value. Now that parts of these rules, have been deemed illegal, these clubs could claim damages.
So this is a very complicated case and could end up in a long drawn out appeal process. If City get found guilty and depending on the penalty, several clubs could pursue claims for financial loss and it would open the door for more chaos. Remember City successfully won an appeal against UEFA after they were banned from Europe in 2020. They paid a large fine and the case was closed and I don’t expect any different here. Money talks and the PL made its bed when it opened the door to rich owners.
I would consider your “general” posting to be weak as piss. However your reading of what is playing out here attracts my suspicion that you are a City sympathiser. Do you want to explain why you are posting in a sympathetic way to a load of shysters that have corrupted the League?
There’s a small matter competition rules which the PL has to comply with. They can’t just make things up. As it stands, millions of ££ are being spent on lawyers and I doubt the PL has the financial appetite for a drawn out legal war. This could get ugly and go on for several years. They are both greedy parties so I couldn’t give a toss how this ends up
It could be argued that Cheaty are the ones breaking Competition Law. One of the principles of CL is one company cannot abuse it's dominant market position. It could be argued that by not complying with Premier League PSR that is exactly what they are doing due to their wealth compared to other clubs within PL.
Having said that I don't think Competition Law applies to a sporting body. More likely to apply to Sly Sports who clearly has a dominant market position.
As you say the lawyers would get richer as it drags on for years.
You cannot comply with a rule that’s been deemed illegal by a tribunal. The PSR rules originally excluded shareholder loans and also allowed PL to make its own fair market value assessment on commercial deals. These were all deemed illegal. Most clubs receive interest free loans from their owners, ourselves included, so this is not just about City.
The PL also blocked some clubs from completing commercial deals because of disagreement on the fair market value. Now that parts of these rules, have been deemed illegal, these clubs could claim damages.
So this is a very complicated case and could end up in a long drawn out appeal process. If City get found guilty and depending on the penalty, several clubs could pursue claims for financial loss and it would open the door for more chaos. Remember City successfully won an appeal against UEFA after they were banned from Europe in 2020. They paid a large fine and the case was closed and I don’t expect any different here. Money talks and the PL made its bed when it opened the door to rich owners.
I would consider your “general” posting to be weak as piss. However your reading of what is playing out here attracts my suspicion that you are a City sympathiser. Do you want to explain why you are posting in a sympathetic way to a load of shysters that have corrupted the League?
I would consider your ad hominem response symptomatic of somebody who hasn’t a clue about Civil law. Easily swayed by popular opinion on here, you will jump on anything that remotely goes against the grain.
Let me remind you that the PL sold its soul when it opened the door to Oligarchs and parasites 20 something years ago, starting with Chelsea who were on the verge of collapse before the Ruski saved them from Ken Bates. So cart door and horse springs to mind and the faux outrage about City is hilarious.
If you are genuinely interested in corruption, look up what happened to Pompey and how the FA and PL hierarchy stood by and allowed the club to be looted to the point of oblivion.
There’s a small matter competition rules which the PL has to comply with. They can’t just make things up. As it stands, millions of ££ are being spent on lawyers and I doubt the PL has the financial appetite for a drawn out legal war. This could get ugly and go on for several years. They are both greedy parties so I couldn’t give a toss how this ends up
It could be argued that Cheaty are the ones breaking Competition Law. One of the principles of CL is one company cannot abuse it's dominant market position. It could be argued that by not complying with Premier League PSR that is exactly what they are doing due to their wealth compared to other clubs within PL.
Having said that I don't think Competition Law applies to a sporting body. More likely to apply to Sly Sports who clearly has a dominant market position.
As you say the lawyers would get richer as it drags on for years.
You cannot comply with a rule that’s been deemed illegal by a tribunal. The PSR rules originally excluded shareholder loans and also allowed PL to make its own fair market value assessment on commercial deals. These were all deemed illegal. Most clubs receive interest free loans from their owners, ourselves included, so this is not just about City.
The PL also blocked some clubs from completing commercial deals because of disagreement on the fair market value. Now that parts of these rules, have been deemed illegal, these clubs could claim damages.
So this is a very complicated case and could end up in a long drawn out appeal process. If City get found guilty and depending on the penalty, several clubs could pursue claims for financial loss and it would open the door for more chaos. Remember City successfully won an appeal against UEFA after they were banned from Europe in 2020. They paid a large fine and the case was closed and I don’t expect any different here. Money talks and the PL made its bed when it opened the door to rich owners.
I would consider your “general” posting to be weak as piss. However your reading of what is playing out here attracts my suspicion that you are a City sympathiser. Do you want to explain why you are posting in a sympathetic way to a load of shysters that have corrupted the League?
I would consider your ad hominem response symptomatic of somebody who hasn’t a clue about Civil law. Easily swayed by popular opinion on here, you will jump on anything that remotely goes against the grain.
Let me remind you that the PL sold its soul when it opened the door to Oligarchs and parasites 20 something years ago, starting with Chelsea who were on the verge of collapse before the Ruski saved them from Ken Bates. So cart door and horse springs to mind and the faux outrage about City is hilarious.
If you are genuinely interested in corruption, look up what happened to Pompey and how the FA and PL hierarchy stood by and allowed the club to be looted to the point of oblivion.
Regardless of whether City are winning the legal battles or not. And I am au fait with what is becoming apparent here. So no need to stoop as low as your own morals to have a pop at someone. Why do you seem to post in a way that is literally glowing at how City have seemingly been vindicated? Are you really an Arsenal fan? Any sensible person would see the issue with Sovereign Wealth Funds outspending anyone and everyone but because they have proved a point of law you are literally creaming yourself. I think you’ve been sussed out sunshine. You love City. It’s obvious.
It could be argued that Cheaty are the ones breaking Competition Law. One of the principles of CL is one company cannot abuse it's dominant market position. It could be argued that by not complying with Premier League PSR that is exactly what they are doing due to their wealth compared to other clubs within PL.
Having said that I don't think Competition Law applies to a sporting body. More likely to apply to Sly Sports who clearly has a dominant market position.
As you say the lawyers would get richer as it drags on for years.
You cannot comply with a rule that’s been deemed illegal by a tribunal. The PSR rules originally excluded shareholder loans and also allowed PL to make its own fair market value assessment on commercial deals. These were all deemed illegal. Most clubs receive interest free loans from their owners, ourselves included, so this is not just about City.
The PL also blocked some clubs from completing commercial deals because of disagreement on the fair market value. Now that parts of these rules, have been deemed illegal, these clubs could claim damages.
So this is a very complicated case and could end up in a long drawn out appeal process. If City get found guilty and depending on the penalty, several clubs could pursue claims for financial loss and it would open the door for more chaos. Remember City successfully won an appeal against UEFA after they were banned from Europe in 2020. They paid a large fine and the case was closed and I don’t expect any different here. Money talks and the PL made its bed when it opened the door to rich owners.
I would consider your “general” posting to be weak as piss. However your reading of what is playing out here attracts my suspicion that you are a City sympathiser. Do you want to explain why you are posting in a sympathetic way to a load of shysters that have corrupted the League?
I would consider your ad hominem response symptomatic of somebody who hasn’t a clue about Civil law. Easily swayed by popular opinion on here, you will jump on anything that remotely goes against the grain.
Let me remind you that the PL sold its soul when it opened the door to Oligarchs and parasites 20 something years ago, starting with Chelsea who were on the verge of collapse before the Ruski saved them from Ken Bates. So cart door and horse springs to mind and the faux outrage about City is hilarious.
If you are genuinely interested in corruption, look up what happened to Pompey and how the FA and PL hierarchy stood by and allowed the club to be looted to the point of oblivion.
Regardless of whether City are winning the legal battles or not. And I am au fait with what is becoming apparent here. So no need to stoop as low as your own morals to have a pop at someone. Why do you seem to post in a way that is literally glowing at how City have seemingly been vindicated? Are you really an Arsenal fan? Any sensible person would see the issue with Sovereign Wealth Funds outspending anyone and everyone but because they have proved a point of law you are literally creaming yourself. I think you’ve been sussed out sunshine. You love City. It’s obvious.
Smh. You’re not au fait with anything. You’re clearly young and impressionable with your volatile style posting.
Last edited by General on Fri Feb 14, 2025 8:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
You cannot comply with a rule that’s been deemed illegal by a tribunal. The PSR rules originally excluded shareholder loans and also allowed PL to make its own fair market value assessment on commercial deals. These were all deemed illegal. Most clubs receive interest free loans from their owners, ourselves included, so this is not just about City.
The PL also blocked some clubs from completing commercial deals because of disagreement on the fair market value. Now that parts of these rules, have been deemed illegal, these clubs could claim damages.
So this is a very complicated case and could end up in a long drawn out appeal process. If City get found guilty and depending on the penalty, several clubs could pursue claims for financial loss and it would open the door for more chaos. Remember City successfully won an appeal against UEFA after they were banned from Europe in 2020. They paid a large fine and the case was closed and I don’t expect any different here. Money talks and the PL made its bed when it opened the door to rich owners.
I would consider your “general” posting to be weak as piss. However your reading of what is playing out here attracts my suspicion that you are a City sympathiser. Do you want to explain why you are posting in a sympathetic way to a load of shysters that have corrupted the League?
I would consider your ad hominem response symptomatic of somebody who hasn’t a clue about Civil law. Easily swayed by popular opinion on here, you will jump on anything that remotely goes against the grain.
Let me remind you that the PL sold its soul when it opened the door to Oligarchs and parasites 20 something years ago, starting with Chelsea who were on the verge of collapse before the Ruski saved them from Ken Bates. So cart door and horse springs to mind and the faux outrage about City is hilarious.
If you are genuinely interested in corruption, look up what happened to Pompey and how the FA and PL hierarchy stood by and allowed the club to be looted to the point of oblivion.
Regardless of whether City are winning the legal battles or not. And I am au fait with what is becoming apparent here. So no need to stoop as low as your own morals to have a pop at someone. Why do you seem to post in a way that is literally glowing at how City have seemingly been vindicated? Are you really an Arsenal fan? Any sensible person would see the issue with Sovereign Wealth Funds outspending anyone and everyone but because they have proved a point of law you are literally creaming yourself. I think you’ve been sussed out sunshine. You love City. It’s obvious.
Smh. You’re clearly young and impressionable with your volatile style posting.
Let me take you to a tribunal and prove you wrong.
There’s a small matter competition rules which the PL has to comply with. They can’t just make things up. As it stands, millions of ££ are being spent on lawyers and I doubt the PL has the financial appetite for a drawn out legal war. This could get ugly and go on for several years. They are both greedy parties so I couldn’t give a toss how this ends up
It could be argued that Cheaty are the ones breaking Competition Law. One of the principles of CL is one company cannot abuse it's dominant market position. It could be argued that by not complying with Premier League PSR that is exactly what they are doing due to their wealth compared to other clubs within PL.
Having said that I don't think Competition Law applies to a sporting body. More likely to apply to Sly Sports who clearly has a dominant market position.
As you say the lawyers would get richer as it drags on for years.
You cannot comply with a rule that’s been deemed illegal by a tribunal. The PSR rules originally excluded shareholder loans and also allowed PL to make its own fair market value assessment on commercial deals. These were all deemed illegal. Most clubs receive interest free loans from their owners, ourselves included, so this is not just about City.
The PL also blocked some clubs from completing commercial deals because of disagreement on the fair market value. Now that parts of these rules, have been deemed illegal, these clubs could claim damages.
So this is a very complicated case and could end up in a long drawn out appeal process. If City get found guilty and depending on the penalty, several clubs could pursue claims for financial loss and it would open the door for more chaos. Remember City successfully won an appeal against UEFA after they were banned from Europe in 2020. They paid a large fine and the case was closed and I don’t expect any different here. Money talks and the PL made its bed when it opened the door to rich owners.
It would be helpful if you get your facts right General Eisenknownothing.
Arsenal do not have an interest free loan from KSE. Arsenal’s stadium loan was refinanced on to a bond, secured by the long term income stream of season ticket receipts. From there KSE refinanced that bond in 2020 as the rate we were paying was far in excess of the market interest rate. When KSE refinanced the bond they paid all of the costs to get us out of it. Early repayment charges basically. At that point we paid KSE a lower rate than the bond but a rate that was market rate, considering base rate was 0.1% due to Covid. Spurs did the same with their stadium debt on a long term fixed rate. Both loans look cheap now but they weren’t at the time. It was what every business was paying loan interest at. As was the case for most mortgagees. Have you seen the news over the last few years as everyone’s cheap fix expires??? The other point here is that KSE refinanced what was an infrastructure debt. It was a debt from us building the Emirates. This is completely allowable in PSR. Everton can build a stadium and remove the costs from the equation. So can any club. So the truth of the matter is that KSE lent us money at the market rate at the time. They also refinanced an infrastructure deft. We have literally done nothing wrong, even with City having “won” the earlier case. It’s also forgotten now that City were initially funded by interest free loans. They were not loans for stadium building. They then moved on to associated party transactions. They are as bent as a nine bob note and the fact their lawyers are winning cases on the minutiae of competition law is shameful. They are trying to make a competitive sport anti-competitive. In the long run they will not win this war. Plebs like you thinking it’s great sport are not helping. The fact you think Arsenal are taking out interest free loans from KSE makes the stance you are taking as some sort of learned scholar hilarious.
I see an unconfirmed rumour doing the rounds on social media this morning suggesting that pep has been banging his keepers bird and keeper chinned him a few weeks back over it Could be lies of course
I see an unconfirmed rumour doing the rounds on social media this morning suggesting that pep has been banging his keepers bird and keeper chinned him a few weeks back over it Could be lies of course
