London Riots

[ThomasMitchell]

Did anyone really think that Thatcher was good for the country in the 80's....?

Yes, she was wonderful.

"She was clever in getting people to buy their council houses"??? Maybe they wanted to buy them.

Eton is one of the best schools in the world, what's the problem with people who went their running the country? Better than some thicko from a failing state school surely.

I am so bored with the whole 'working class, salt of the earth' argument. The working class are no better than the middle, or indeed upper class.

And the argument that a middle class man dressed in a suit would get away with looting is just ridiculous.

[ThomasMitchell]

Your rite the system seems wrong, where there isnt a single cabinet minister who wasnt born with the silver spoon, where mp's sons and daughters are bred to step in once daddys party lose power.

Really? There is something like 650 MP's. How many of them had parents/grandparents that were MP's before them? Maybe 5%. So that is simply not true.

As for silver spoons, not true either. Ken Clarke, Eric Pickles, Danny Alexander, Patrick McLoughlin are just a few examples that disprove the point.

[northbankbren]

Your rite the system seems wrong, where there isnt a single cabinet minister who wasnt born with the silver spoon, where mp's sons and daughters are bred to step in once daddys party lose power.

Really? There is something like 650 MP's. How many of them had parents/grandparents that were MP's before them? Maybe 5%. So that is simply not true.

As for silver spoons, not true either. Ken Clarke, Eric Pickles, Danny Alexander, Patrick McLoughlin are just a few examples that disprove the point.

Yes silverspoons, they may not have been sons/daughters of mp's but sons and daughters of very rich/powerful people.

To use your own quote on the "working class" mps ......Really? There is something like 650 MP's. How many of them have come from working class backgrounds? 5% maybe.

Your whole thatcher post was pure consevative bollocks. And it kind of hints that you just like the mp's dont really grasp the feelings of the majority of the country. Its not just the working class, its the middle to upper classes too. Anyone with a shred of decency cannot help but be pissed off with the way this country is run and has been for decades (my whole life anyway).

Dont tell me its an even playing feild when two masters graduates go for the same job, and ones father is a train driver and the others is major shareholder in bp (for example) who get the job?

You go on about eaton better than a failing school. What about the kid who scores all A's in the failing school, up against all A's at eaton, who wins?

Want to look at percentages, how many from state education get into eaton/oxford/cambridge in comparison to private education (and im taling on even terms with same pass marks)?

The middleclass man getting away with looting?????

Have you been asleep the last 3 years, what have these great eaton educated been doing for god knows how many years? STEALING!!!!!!!!!!!

If anyone other than an mp claimed expenses illegally the way they ALL did, they'd have lost their jobs and be sent to prison. I in no way justify the riots and looting, but what have they in common with the mp's.....GREED!!!!! Our taxes have been looted over I can only presume decades by this countries mp's, ILLEGALLY. Really on those terms whats the difference? Only the punishment.

You vote Boris mitchell?

[ThomasMitchell]

Your rite the system seems wrong, where there isnt a single cabinet minister who wasnt born with the silver spoon, where mp's sons and daughters are bred to step in once daddys party lose power.

Really? There is something like 650 MP's. How many of them had parents/grandparents that were MP's before them? Maybe 5%. So that is simply not true.

As for silver spoons, not true either. Ken Clarke, Eric Pickles, Danny Alexander, Patrick McLoughlin are just a few examples that disprove the point.

Yes silverspoons, they may not have been sons/daughters of mp's but sons and daughters of very rich/powerful people.

To use your own quote on the "working class" mps ......Really? There is something like 650 MP's. How many of them have come from working class backgrounds? 5% maybe.

Your whole thatcher post was pure consevative bollocks. And it kind of hints that you just like the mp's dont really grasp the feelings of the majority of the country. Its not just the working class, its the middle to upper classes too. Anyone with a shred of decency cannot help but be pissed off with the way this country is run and has been for decades (my whole life anyway).

Dont tell me its an even playing feild when two masters graduates go for the same job, and ones father is a train driver and the others is major shareholder in bp (for example) who get the job?

You go on about eaton better than a failing school. What about the kid who scores all A's in the failing school, up against all A's at eaton, who wins?

Want to look at percentages, how many from state education get into eaton/oxford/cambridge in comparison to private education (and im taling on even terms with same pass marks)?

The middleclass man getting away with looting?????

Have you been asleep the last 3 years, what have these great eaton educated been doing for god knows how many years? STEALING!!!!!!!!!!!

If anyone other than an mp claimed expenses illegally the way they ALL did, they'd have lost their jobs and be sent to prison. I in no way justify the riots and looting, but what have they in common with the mp's.....GREED!!!!! Our taxes have been looted over I can only presume decades by this countries mp's, ILLEGALLY. Really on those terms whats the difference? Only the punishment.

You vote Boris mitchell?

Good response – not full of generalisations, sweeping statements and unsubstantiated facts.

You said “where mp's sons and daughters are bred to step in once daddys party lose powerâ€

[northbankbren]

[quote="ThomasMitchell"]
Good response – not full of generalisations, sweeping statements and unsubstantiated facts.

You said “where mp's sons and daughters are bred to step in once daddys party lose powerâ€

[ThomasMitchell]

[quote="northbankbren"][quote="ThomasMitchell"]
Good response – not full of generalisations, sweeping statements and unsubstantiated facts.

You said “where mp's sons and daughters are bred to step in once daddys party lose powerâ€

[northbankbren]

"maybe", "maybe", "maybe". You should substitute that for "but I don't know what I am talking about and have no facts to support what I am saying". Because you don't. If you do, give them to me to support your argument - after all you are making the accusations not me.

Boris Mitchell? Don't know what you are talking about and I suspect you don't either.

No facts, to support what the expenses scandal? The fact that most politicians do not come from working class backgrounds? Or the fact that the vast majority of people arent happy with the way the country is being run?

Are you Boris?

[ThomasMitchell]

"maybe", "maybe", "maybe". You should substitute that for "but I don't know what I am talking about and have no facts to support what I am saying". Because you don't. If you do, give them to me to support your argument - after all you are making the accusations not me.

Boris Mitchell? Don't know what you are talking about and I suspect you don't either.

No facts, to support what the expenses scandal? The fact that most politicians do not come from working class backgrounds? Or the fact that the vast majority of people arent happy with the way the country is being run?

Are you Boris?

No facts, to support what the expenses scandal? – No facts to support your claim that 95% illegally claimed expenses.

The fact that most politicians do not come from working class backgrounds? No facts to support your claim that 95% don’t come from working class backgrounds.

Or the fact that the vast majority of people aren’t happy with the way the country is being run? – I didn’t make any comment about this.

Stop changing your argument when you can’t back them up with facts.

Are you Boris? You don’t know what you are talking about, I don't know what you are talking about. I suspect you meant someone else and now can’t admit to the fact that you got it wrong.

Here's a few of these which you like so much.

[northbankbren]

No facts, to support what the expenses scandal? – No facts to support your claim that 95% illegally claimed expenses.

The fact that most politicians do not come from working class backgrounds? No facts to support your claim that 95% don’t come from working class backgrounds.

Or the fact that the vast majority of people aren’t happy with the way the country is being run? – I didn’t make any comment about this.

Stop changing your argument when you can’t back them up with facts.

Are you Boris? You don’t know what you are talking about, I don't know what you are talking about. I suspect you meant someone else and now can’t admit to the fact that you got it wrong.

Here's a few of these which you like so much.

Which again bring me to the point of view you like the goverment and mps are really out of touch. I love the fact you ask me for facts, but dont actually have any of your own to prove me wrong, or back up your case that i dont know what im talking about.

As for boris it was an initial gramatical error it was meant to read.....did you vote boris, Mitchell? But then all that went completely over you head didnt it, cos by the sounds of it you are the man himself.

[DB10GOONER]

The Toff fighting the Man In The Street?!

NBB: "I'll smack the posh right off yer fackin' face, you caaahhhnt!"

TM: "Huzzah, Gerome - have at the cad!"

[ThomasMitchell]

No facts, to support what the expenses scandal? – No facts to support your claim that 95% illegally claimed expenses.

The fact that most politicians do not come from working class backgrounds? No facts to support your claim that 95% don’t come from working class backgrounds.

Or the fact that the vast majority of people aren’t happy with the way the country is being run? – I didn’t make any comment about this.

Stop changing your argument when you can’t back them up with facts.

Are you Boris? You don’t know what you are talking about, I don't know what you are talking about. I suspect you meant someone else and now can’t admit to the fact that you got it wrong.

Here's a few of these which you like so much.

Which again bring me to the point of view you like the goverment and mps are really out of touch. I love the fact you ask me for facts, but dont actually have any of your own to prove me wrong, or back up your case that i dont know what im talking about.

As for boris it was an initial gramatical error it was meant to read.....did you vote boris, Mitchell? But then all that went completely over you head didnt it, cos by the sounds of it you are the man himself.

Oh, I see. Yes that did go over my head (how dreadful). And yes I did and will vote for Boris Johnson. Better than a back stabbing, two faced, duplicitous Livingstone.

Fact is you made the allegations, you should back them up. You can't though. One example being 95% of the cabinet were born with silver spoons in their mouths (you originally said ALL of them where - you were wrong). FACT.

[northbankbren]

Oh, I see. Yes that did go over my head (how dreadful). And yes I did and will vote for Boris Johnson. Better than a back stabbing, two faced, duplicitous Livingstone.

Fact is you made the allegations, you should back them up. You can't though. One example being 95% of the cabinet were born with silver spoons in their mouths (you originally said ALL of them where - you were wrong). FACT.

Yep thought so, can you please show me where I said 95% of the cabinet arent from working class backgrounds? Becuase I didnt, fact. Also they werent allegations, they were common sense comments, how many of the current cabinet were fully state educated? As far as I know of 1.

23 cabinet ministers 1 will full state education. That makes 4.3% by my calculations. So wasnt far off was I?

[northbankbren]

The Toff fighting the Man In The Street?!

NBB: "I'll smack the posh right off yer fackin' face, you caaahhhnt!"

TM: "Huzzah, Gerome - have at the cad!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFV1iFVJUoA

[ThomasMitchell]

Oh, I see. Yes that did go over my head (how dreadful). And yes I did and will vote for Boris Johnson. Better than a back stabbing, two faced, duplicitous Livingstone.

Fact is you made the allegations, you should back them up. You can't though. One example being 95% of the cabinet were born with silver spoons in their mouths (you originally said ALL of them where - you were wrong). FACT.

Yep thought so, can you please show me where I said 95% of the cabinet arent from working class backgrounds? Becuase I didnt, fact. Also they werent allegations, they were common sense comments, how many of the current cabinet were fully state educated? As far as I know of 1.

23 cabinet ministers 1 will full state education. That makes 4.3% by my calculations. So wasnt far off was I?

I didn't claim that you said "95% of the cabinet arent from working class backgrounds"?! I said you made the comment that "95% of the cabinet were born with silver spoons in their mouths'. I got that wrong, because in fact you originally said "“there isn’t a single cabinet minister who wasnt born with the silver spoonâ€

[northbankbren]

As far as I know Danny Alexander is the only one to have a full state education. Who are the other 4?

I dont think I've back tracked at all, I just dont have figures to hand or memorised.

Out of the 600 odd mps I would say 5% at most are from what you could call underpriveledged backgrounds. I honestly believe this and would like to proved wrong if possible.

No coming from private education does not make them lord anyone, but dont tell me it doesnt give them a massive advantage when it comes to university/job applications, and eventually roles of power.

When it comes to the young aspiring politician who do you think will be given more opportunity, the eaton/oxbridge graduate or the kingston/tvu graduate? Honestly now?

If you honestly think that the vast vast vast majority of mps arent from extremely privileged backgrounds, your plain naive.

Then again you voted boris johnson so i dont even know why im getting into this with you.