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"The £350m was an extrapolation. It was never total." -Iain Duncan Smith

So now they want to cover up a bare faced lie with another bare faced lie.

NickF wrote:People such as Nicola Sturgeon and those who are calling for a second referendum need look at how democracy works.
You can't just keep calling for referendums on the same thing until you get the result you want.

'Shouldn't' might be a better choice of words than 'can't'.

The Irish voted against the Treaty of Lisbon, so the ruling elite waited a while and ran it again. Other European countries pretended it wasn't really a Treaty change so didn't offer their citizens a vote.

Our Irish posters can probably shine more light on their experience, but for me, the general situation shows the contempt and condescension that the political elite in most countries have for the electorate. They seem to approve of democracy when it gives them what they want, but then ignore it when it doesn't. If it looks like Fascism and sounds like Fascism ....

the playing mantis wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

Herd wrote:Its hard to explain because as usual you dont know what your talking about .
You have NO idea what BREXIT will mean ,neither do I becuase no-one can really know .
For me its a simple thing , I dont like non elected people making the laws for my country .
The last expansion of Europe to include the eastern european copuntries and the ruinous euro integration has left many countiries on the brink of destitution and its dragging us down too .
This will only continue if we remain as the federalists will countinue to expand eastwards !

You really can't have a debate with people who are as uninformed as you are. That's probably why we will Brexit, because the masses in this country are living in the past and haven't got a clue about the concept of globalisation.

Every point I have made in my last post, had a clear and rational economic principle. You haven't done anything but confirm your ignorance so I will stop wasting my energy.

haha pathetic. really hope these condesedning remainers f off to france or germany now...or scotland... bbbbbbbbbut i dont have the right anymore...oh well tough. but then again its not like its massively difficult for non eu nationals to work and live in those places is it or visa free travel being a thing to most european countries, eu or not...

The irony of this post cannot be lost. Two days after the referendum it's slowly unravelling the lies you where fed by Farage, Gove and Bungling Boris.

We will have a recession for the first time in history made by the electorate. HSBC have already denied they are going to move 1000 jobs to Paris. Ford and Airbus are assessing what to do with their UK operations. As I said before you can be sure Nissan and Toyota will be reviewing whether it is still beneficial to have plants in the UK. The stock market and the pound collapsed on Friday, no doubt there will be more volatility.

All of the things that where suggested could happen have already started, this is only the beginning. It was called scaremongering 3 days ago, now it's reality. You can wallow in your own self importance for being part of a movement that ultimately will hit people like you, that have great trouble in spelling basic words such as condescending. Little England at work.

Are we in recession...NO.
Has the pound collapsed...NO £1 = €1.21 hardly a collapse.

Has the NHS collapsed...NO

Have any corporations left...NO. HSBC wanted to leave 3 years ago because of banking regulations in the UK.

All the remain campaign crying. Democracy spoke and just cos mummy and daddy didn't let you get your own way, you're all crying. At least now we've voted leave EU you can afford to buy your own house and leave your parents home.

Thats why they voted to leave, so their kids to finally move out and cook, clean and do their own bloody laundry.

Nos89 wrote:Are we in recession...NO.
Has the pound collapsed...NO £1 = €1.21 hardly a collapse.

Has the NHS collapsed...NO

Have any corporations left...NO. HSBC wanted to leave 3 years ago because of banking regulations in the UK.

All the remain campaign crying. Democracy spoke and just cos mummy and daddy didn't let you get your own way, you're all crying. At least now we've voted leave EU you can afford to buy your own house and leave your parents home.

Thats why they voted to leave, so their kids to finally move out and cook, clean and do their own bloody laundry.

Compare it to USD, since Euro is sinking together with pound!!!

KaQaK wrote:

Nos89 wrote:Are we in recession...NO.
Has the pound collapsed...NO £1 = €1.21 hardly a collapse.

Has the NHS collapsed...NO

Have any corporations left...NO. HSBC wanted to leave 3 years ago because of banking regulations in the UK.

All the remain campaign crying. Democracy spoke and just cos mummy and daddy didn't let you get your own way, you're all crying. At least now we've voted leave EU you can afford to buy your own house and leave your parents home.

Thats why they voted to leave, so their kids to finally move out and cook, clean and do their own bloody laundry.

Compare it to USD, since Euro is sinking together with pound!!!

Ah a European who is wiser than an Englishman. Pound fell to its lowest level against the dollar for 30 years. And this is very important as all our non EU trade is generally done in dollars. And of course all energy markets are $ denominated so petrol is set to rise about 2-3p per litre this week. Soon to be followed by gas and electricity prices. But not to worry all the "savings" are going to reduce the VAT, or NHS or bugger all.

Banks will have to move operations into the EU.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... b-official

We're obviously not in recession after 48 hours But no multi-national is going to invest big sums in the UK for the foreseeable future and many are looking for exit strategies.

So you are admitting that house prices are going to fall. Not sure how popular that will be with those relying on their houses for pensions, especially as any investments and/or pensions are being wiped out by the stock market fall.

As for the NHS.

Chippy wrote:

KaQaK wrote:

Nos89 wrote:Are we in recession...NO.
Has the pound collapsed...NO £1 = €1.21 hardly a collapse.

Has the NHS collapsed...NO

Have any corporations left...NO. HSBC wanted to leave 3 years ago because of banking regulations in the UK.

All the remain campaign crying. Democracy spoke and just cos mummy and daddy didn't let you get your own way, you're all crying. At least now we've voted leave EU you can afford to buy your own house and leave your parents home.

Thats why they voted to leave, so their kids to finally move out and cook, clean and do their own bloody laundry.

Compare it to USD, since Euro is sinking together with pound!!!

Ah a European who is wiser than an Englishman. Pound fell to its lowest level against the dollar for 30 years. And this is very important as all our non EU trade is generally done in dollars. And of course all energy markets are $ denominated so petrol is set to rise about 2-3p per litre this week. Soon to be followed by gas and electricity prices. But not to worry all the "savings" are going to reduce the VAT, or NHS or bugger all.

Banks will have to move operations into the EU.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... b-official

We're obviously not in recession after 48 hours But no multi-national is going to invest big sums in the UK for the foreseeable future and many are looking for exit strategies.

So you are admitting that house prices are going to fall. Not sure how popular that will be with those relying on their houses for pensions, especially as any investments and/or pensions are being wiped out by the stock market fall.

As for the NHS.

Markets go up and down all the time. The pound will recover.
No bank has to leave the UK, they MIGHT choose to leave.
The NHS was and will continually be stealthily privatised.
UK can now strike up direct trade deal with USA rather than be part of the TTIP.
Fuel prices have been rising for last 4 months, and with summer coming always were going rise, despite the price of oil per barrel is the lowest ever. EU exit is just a covering excuse.
House prices go up and go down. The folk directly affected by this are the over 55's who largely voted to leave.
Stop the scaremongering...the world will be here next week unless Germany launch their nukes on everyone as they feel betrayed.
Note: they don't have nukes that's why they wanted us to stay.

nut flush gooner wrote:

the playing mantis wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

Herd wrote:Its hard to explain because as usual you dont know what your talking about .
You have NO idea what BREXIT will mean ,neither do I becuase no-one can really know .
For me its a simple thing , I dont like non elected people making the laws for my country .
The last expansion of Europe to include the eastern european copuntries and the ruinous euro integration has left many countiries on the brink of destitution and its dragging us down too .
This will only continue if we remain as the federalists will countinue to expand eastwards !

You really can't have a debate with people who are as uninformed as you are. That's probably why we will Brexit, because the masses in this country are living in the past and haven't got a clue about the concept of globalisation.

Every point I have made in my last post, had a clear and rational economic principle. You haven't done anything but confirm your ignorance so I will stop wasting my energy.

haha pathetic. really hope these condesedning remainers f off to france or germany now...or scotland... bbbbbbbbbut i dont have the right anymore...oh well tough. but then again its not like its massively difficult for non eu nationals to work and live in those places is it or visa free travel being a thing to most european countries, eu or not...

The irony of this post cannot be lost. Two days after the referendum it's slowly unravelling the lies you where fed by Farage, Gove and Bungling Boris.

We will have a recession for the first time in history made by the electorate. HSBC have already denied they are going to move 1000 jobs to Paris. Ford and Airbus are assessing what to do with their UK operations. As I said before you can be sure Nissan and Toyota will be reviewing whether it is still beneficial to have plants in the UK. The stock market and the pound collapsed on Friday, no doubt there will be more volatility.

All of the things that where suggested could happen have already started, this is only the beginning. It was called scaremongering 3 days ago, now it's reality. You can wallow in your own self importance for being part of a movement that ultimately will hit people like you, that have great trouble in spelling basic words such as condescending. Little England at work.

The impact of criticising someone for misspelling condescending (which may have been a typo) is kind of diluted when you can't get a much simpler word (were) correct. Irony lost?

The world is still spinning and yes it will take time to unravel but its a price worth paying .
I shorted the pound against the dollar a while back so I'm doing OK.
The euro is finished or will be soon .
The federalists have been stopped in their tracks and not a min too soon, further expansion and a European army would have broken the camels back.
Nutflush I voted out despite Farage and Boris not because of them they lied almost as much as the other side ,
Denmark will now leave and others will follow Europe may well fold now .
I would love a northern Europe alliance which could spring up quite quickly but lets see how this pans out !

I hope corbyn survives as I like him but the labour parliamentary party and many in the country are once again not listening to the majority of voters in this country who voted OUT !

Deal with it !

nut flush gooner wrote:

the playing mantis wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

Herd wrote:Its hard to explain because as usual you dont know what your talking about .
You have NO idea what BREXIT will mean ,neither do I becuase no-one can really know .
For me its a simple thing , I dont like non elected people making the laws for my country .
The last expansion of Europe to include the eastern european copuntries and the ruinous euro integration has left many countiries on the brink of destitution and its dragging us down too .
This will only continue if we remain as the federalists will countinue to expand eastwards !

You really can't have a debate with people who are as uninformed as you are. That's probably why we will Brexit, because the masses in this country are living in the past and haven't got a clue about the concept of globalisation.

Every point I have made in my last post, had a clear and rational economic principle. You haven't done anything but confirm your ignorance so I will stop wasting my energy.

haha pathetic. really hope these condesedning remainers f off to france or germany now...or scotland... bbbbbbbbbut i dont have the right anymore...oh well tough. but then again its not like its massively difficult for non eu nationals to work and live in those places is it or visa free travel being a thing to most european countries, eu or not...

The irony of this post cannot be lost. Two days after the referendum it's slowly unravelling the lies you where fed by Farage, Gove and Bungling Boris.

We will have a recession for the first time in history made by the electorate. HSBC have already denied they are going to move 1000 jobs to Paris. Ford and Airbus are assessing what to do with their UK operations. As I said before you can be sure Nissan and Toyota will be reviewing whether it is still beneficial to have plants in the UK. The stock market and the pound collapsed on Friday, no doubt there will be more volatility.

All of the things that where suggested could happen have already started, this is only the beginning. It was called scaremongering 3 days ago, now it's reality. You can wallow in your own self importance for being part of a movement that ultimately will hit people like you, that have great trouble in spelling basic words such as condescending. Little England at work.

u really are a tool. theres more to life than money. again your stating unkwowns and what ifs as if there facts. well if my mum had a dick she would be my dad. the stock market and sterling crashed and then rallied somewhat as anyone with half a brain knew, and said all along as you know full well, yet your using that as apparent justification for your told you so views. clealry a brexit would cause short term uncertainty, noting unexpected has happened and nothing concrete has happened. ford/airbus are considering, im sure their always considering, so what? until they f off you have nothing. MS moving staff, well they had to. its not a choice. either they give up that part of the business, open a european entity to contract under, or move staff abroad...again its no indication as euro claering for companies without an eu contracting entity would always have to move as a result of brexit.

as for spelling owe shit sorry i didnt use a spell check. thus im a stupid little englander. if we want to start willy waving about who is cleverer bring it on, im apparently so academically gifted i attended one of the best unis in the world, and have a very good job in finance, employ a number of eu nationals in my team, who, btw, to a man want there countries to have a refereundum too, am under 30... yet i voted out as i appreciate theres more to life than money and the majority of people in financial services are self serving c*nts only out for themselves, as u seem to be. these are the people who cause this scaremongering and volatility and do it to profit. the fiancial world and system is phoney and self serving and those in it create the problems for their own benefit.

why not join chippy and keep quoting left wing low circulation newspapers and passing them off as unbiased proof of the end of the world.

as mentioned if u all hate it so much go! im confident that the 5th/6th largest economy in the world can be a great success on its own, especialy oce the self serving media scaremongering stops and things naturally settle down. just glad you chaps were not the sort we had in the 30's...!

Chippy wrote:

KaQaK wrote:

Nos89 wrote:Are we in recession...NO.
Has the pound collapsed...NO £1 = €1.21 hardly a collapse.

Has the NHS collapsed...NO

Have any corporations left...NO. HSBC wanted to leave 3 years ago because of banking regulations in the UK.

All the remain campaign crying. Democracy spoke and just cos mummy and daddy didn't let you get your own way, you're all crying. At least now we've voted leave EU you can afford to buy your own house and leave your parents home.

Thats why they voted to leave, so their kids to finally move out and cook, clean and do their own bloody laundry.

Compare it to USD, since Euro is sinking together with pound!!!

Ah a European who is wiser than an Englishman. Pound fell to its lowest level against the dollar for 30 years. And this is very important as all our non EU trade is generally done in dollars. And of course all energy markets are $ denominated so petrol is set to rise about 2-3p per litre this week. Soon to be followed by gas and electricity prices. But not to worry all the "savings" are going to reduce the VAT, or NHS or bugger all.

Banks will have to move operations into the EU.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... b-official

We're obviously not in recession after 48 hours But no multi-national is going to invest big sums in the UK for the foreseeable future and many are looking for exit strategies.

So you are admitting that house prices are going to fall. Not sure how popular that will be with those relying on their houses for pensions, especially as any investments and/or pensions are being wiped out by the stock market fall.

As for the NHS.

more bs chippy!

banks wih eu based presences and legal entities, which is most, can still have operations in the UK but under and EU entity contract. example a bank having a GmBH contracting entity and work being done in the uk simply under that contract.

house prices falling is good (if someones stupid enough to rely solely on that as a pension more fool them), they have been kept artificlaly high by developers sitting on land banks, and far too much demand due to shocking population growth. the stock market will more than likely rally in the medium term at most.

as for the nhs, yep lets kick them all out, we will have no dr's and nurses, cos its not as if a sensible immigration system would provide visas to those it needs to provide unique skills and services lacking in the country would it....rather than a free for all of anyone and everyone.

Red Snapper wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

the playing mantis wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

Herd wrote:Its hard to explain because as usual you dont know what your talking about .
You have NO idea what BREXIT will mean ,neither do I becuase no-one can really know .
For me its a simple thing , I dont like non elected people making the laws for my country .
The last expansion of Europe to include the eastern european copuntries and the ruinous euro integration has left many countiries on the brink of destitution and its dragging us down too .
This will only continue if we remain as the federalists will countinue to expand eastwards !

You really can't have a debate with people who are as uninformed as you are. That's probably why we will Brexit, because the masses in this country are living in the past and haven't got a clue about the concept of globalisation.

Every point I have made in my last post, had a clear and rational economic principle. You haven't done anything but confirm your ignorance so I will stop wasting my energy.

haha pathetic. really hope these condesedning remainers f off to france or germany now...or scotland... bbbbbbbbbut i dont have the right anymore...oh well tough. but then again its not like its massively difficult for non eu nationals to work and live in those places is it or visa free travel being a thing to most european countries, eu or not...

The irony of this post cannot be lost. Two days after the referendum it's slowly unravelling the lies you where fed by Farage, Gove and Bungling Boris.

We will have a recession for the first time in history made by the electorate. HSBC have already denied they are going to move 1000 jobs to Paris. Ford and Airbus are assessing what to do with their UK operations. As I said before you can be sure Nissan and Toyota will be reviewing whether it is still beneficial to have plants in the UK. The stock market and the pound collapsed on Friday, no doubt there will be more volatility.

All of the things that where suggested could happen have already started, this is only the beginning. It was called scaremongering 3 days ago, now it's reality. You can wallow in your own self importance for being part of a movement that ultimately will hit people like you, that have great trouble in spelling basic words such as condescending. Little England at work.

The impact of criticising someone for misspelling condescending (which may have been a typo) is kind of diluted when you can't get a much simpler word (were) correct. Irony lost?

chapeau! well done that man!!

Chippy wrote:"The £350m was an extrapolation. It was never total." -Iain Duncan Smith

So now they want to cover up a bare faced lie with another bare faced lie.

the 350m figure was admitted to be wrong in the debates, its not news...stop pretending it is.

please explain, why its better that we pay money in, get it back but get told where we must spend it, rather than deciding ourselves what we spend our money on???

gotta love idealistic old lefties who cling to student unions politics!

keep being condesending to everyone who disgagreed with you and trying to make points by posting scaremongereig and supposed i told you so links, none of it can change the cold hard truth:

u lost we won. deal with it, being so butthurt posting this rubbish wont change that!

the playing mantis wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

the playing mantis wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

Herd wrote:Its hard to explain because as usual you dont know what your talking about .
You have NO idea what BREXIT will mean ,neither do I becuase no-one can really know .
For me its a simple thing , I dont like non elected people making the laws for my country .
The last expansion of Europe to include the eastern european copuntries and the ruinous euro integration has left many countiries on the brink of destitution and its dragging us down too .
This will only continue if we remain as the federalists will countinue to expand eastwards !

You really can't have a debate with people who are as uninformed as you are. That's probably why we will Brexit, because the masses in this country are living in the past and haven't got a clue about the concept of globalisation.

Every point I have made in my last post, had a clear and rational economic principle. You haven't done anything but confirm your ignorance so I will stop wasting my energy.

haha pathetic. really hope these condesedning remainers f off to france or germany now...or scotland... bbbbbbbbbut i dont have the right anymore...oh well tough. but then again its not like its massively difficult for non eu nationals to work and live in those places is it or visa free travel being a thing to most european countries, eu or not...

The irony of this post cannot be lost. Two days after the referendum it's slowly unravelling the lies you where fed by Farage, Gove and Bungling Boris.

We will have a recession for the first time in history made by the electorate. HSBC have already denied they are going to move 1000 jobs to Paris. Ford and Airbus are assessing what to do with their UK operations. As I said before you can be sure Nissan and Toyota will be reviewing whether it is still beneficial to have plants in the UK. The stock market and the pound collapsed on Friday, no doubt there will be more volatility.

All of the things that where suggested could happen have already started, this is only the beginning. It was called scaremongering 3 days ago, now it's reality. You can wallow in your own self importance for being part of a movement that ultimately will hit people like you, that have great trouble in spelling basic words such as condescending. Little England at work.

u really are a tool. theres more to life than money. again your stating unkwowns and what ifs as if there facts. well if my mum had a dick she would be my dad. the stock market and sterling crashed and then rallied somewhat as anyone with half a brain knew, and said all along as you know full well, yet your using that as apparent justification for your told you so views. clealry a brexit would cause short term uncertainty, noting unexpected has happened and nothing concrete has happened. ford/airbus are considering, im sure their always considering, so what? until they f off you have nothing. MS moving staff, well they had to. its not a choice. either they give up that part of the business, open a european entity to contract under, or move staff abroad...again its no indication as euro claering for companies without an eu contracting entity would always have to move as a result of brexit.

as for spelling owe shit sorry i didnt use a spell check. thus im a stupid little englander. if we want to start willy waving about who is cleverer bring it on, im apparently so academically gifted i attended one of the best unis in the world, and have a very good job in finance, employ a number of eu nationals in my team, who, btw, to a man want there countries to have a refereundum too, am under 30... yet i voted out as i appreciate theres more to life than money and the majority of people in financial services are self serving c*nts only out for themselves, as u seem to be. these are the people who cause this scaremongering and volatility and do it to profit. the fiancial world and system is phoney and self serving and those in it create the problems for their own benefit.

why not join chippy and keep quoting left wing low circulation newspapers and passing them off as unbiased proof of the end of the world.

as mentioned if u all hate it so much go! im confident that the 5th/6th largest economy in the world can be a great success on its own, especialy oce the self serving media scaremongering stops and things naturally settle down. just glad you chaps were not the sort we had in the 30's...!

And this my friends is why this country is fucked. A Brexiteer with the IQ of a baboon (actually thats an insult to our primate friends) who was allowed to vote in the referendum. Happy recession.

Good luck you lot - observing from afar this appears to be one of those "not fully thought through" pieces of business that has happened prematurely.
I'm sure there are some sound reasons for making the change but I'm equally sure the leadership is far from prepared for the enormity of the volume and complexity off issues that will now arise and as Donald Rumsfeld said "you don't know what you don't know".
Seriously, good luck - this is going to get very messy.