THE BOARD - Kroenke, Usmanov and Finance

[highburyJD]

Business is a dirty world. As OneBardGooner said, a lot of high powered people have things they want to be kept hidden but that doesn't stop them from running a highly successful business.

heard this many times, think its overplayed, I know plenty of honest extremely successful people

I'm not going to sit hear and say that Usmanov is a saint who wants to come in and save us all from the nasty demons that are known as PH-W and Silent Stan the invisible man because after all, Arsenal Football Club is still a business and its a business which operates in a market which generates sickening amounts of money.

I know what you mean but 'generates' isn't quite accurate, it processes money through customers and sponsors to the players - very low (often negative) profit margins

Now, IF Usmanov some how took over what could we possibly expect? Well you have to look at it from his point of view and that is ''How can I make money from this?'' and he can do that by doing what WE the fans want

in the short term - as debt. So effectively a gamble

...high quality players bought, a team which functions consistently and overall trophies. Trophies may not seem like much but if you think about how much money the club will receive by winning trophies (One would naturally assume it is a bigger prize depending on the trophy)

normally the opposite is the case - finalists pay more in bonuses than they get in prize money but you accurately point out there are other streams-

not forgetting the positive fallout of winning trophies which is -

Existing fans happy
|
Money spent on various club products + ticket sales

IMO negligible growth potential, stadium is mostly sold out but of course going further in cups = more games

New fans
|
Money spent on various club products + ticket sales

key to our model - tours could be almost as effective

Sponsorship.

massive - we have an extremely expensive, experienced team in place (arguably too early). Our deals where longterm and negotiated in a far weaker marketplace - me and you could get a lot more, they will def go up. In this part I agree 100% with you, the key to getting the absolute max will be recent success: we NEED to be in the CL. Adding a major trophy to that increases our earning potential. In the trophyless run we are in I would virtually sacrifice a season on CL for a the FA cup - not an option till those deals are done.

TV rights.

centralised negotiations so yes only bounce is CL progression

All of the above generate a huge sum of money on top of what the club has won and collected during the previous season.

Investment brings success and somewhere along the lines PH-W and the board have lost sight of that - not including the current summer.

this is where we part company - expenditure is a gamble not a guarantee
no reason why Jabba lending lots for Wenger or another manager to spend guarantees an improvement. Inter outspend everyone in SerieA for over a decade without winning the league - there's no chance of us outsepnding Shitty or the Chavs.

[Top Londoner]

I'm not so naive that I think Usmanov's motives are selflessly altruistic but the fact is Kroenke has overpaid for his shares and will seek to regain the cost of that over many years .
To him we are a money making sporting franchise nothing more nothing less !
Perhaps and maybe Usmanov will be better but it is a leap into the dark !
Danny Fizman RIH !

RIH? WTF? Stupid.
Get out a bit more moron

[the playing mantis]

football is built on spending, thats how teams get success. its how we got success in the past. highnury jd is ur tyical indi, gruadain reading left wing right on morlising liberal. he will be anti usmanov and argue any illogcal arguement that suits his agenda, like spending is a gamble...no sh*t sherlock, but its what football success is built on.

[highburyJD]

football is built on spending, thats how teams get success. its how we got success in the past. highnury jd is ur tyical indi, gruadain reading left wing right on morlising liberal. he will be anti usmanov and argue any illogcal arguement that suits his agenda, like spending is a gamble...no sh*t sherlock, but its what football success is built on.

you're a typical prick
Montpellier, Dortmund
bye

[the playing mantis]

dortmund didnt spend a bean? montpellier signed no players?


im bang on about the other points though, arnt i polly?. i dare say you believe that hand wringer craig murray...

[arseofacrow]

football is built on spending, thats how teams get success. its how we got success in the past. highnury jd is ur tyical indi, gruadain reading left wing right on morlising liberal. he will be anti usmanov and argue any illogcal arguement that suits his agenda, like spending is a gamble...no sh*t sherlock, but its what football success is built on.

you're a typical prick
Montpellier, Dortmund
bye

So all we have to do is play in the French or German league. Fuck, why didn't we think of that earlier?

[Herd]

RIH? WTF? Stupid.
Get out a bit more moron

Whats stupid about it ,and who are you to call me a moron , in my opinion ALL of the problems and heartaches now associated with Arsenal football club lie with Fizman ,Dein and Hillwood although Dein actually did do some good things things for Arsenal .
I loathed Fizman whilst he was alive why should I say nice thingsd about him now he is dead , (Comments deleted by IHH due to bad taste!!)

I am allowed my opinion am I not ?

(Yes you are Herd, but as you very well know there is a line which shouldn't be crossed - especially on a public forum - unless you're prepared to also accept the consequences, and we on the OG aren't willing to lose the forum just because you want to have your say in that particular manner. Please bear in mind the affect it would have on others when next contemplating writing something detrimental about someone who is dead.)

[Top Londoner]

RIH? WTF? Stupid.
Get out a bit more moron

Whats stupid about it ,and who are you to call me a moron , in my opinion ALL of the problems and heartaches now associated with Arsenal football club lie with Fizman ,Dein and Hillwood although Dein actually did do some good things things for Arsenal .
I loathed Fizman whilst he was alive why should I say nice thingsd about him now he is dead , (Comments deleted by IHH due to bad taste!!)

I am allowed my opinion am I not ?

(Yes you are Herd, but as you very well know there is a line which shouldn't be crossed - especially on a public forum - unless you're prepared to also accept the consequences, and we on the OG aren't willing to lose the forum just because you want to have your say in that particular manner. Please bear in mind the affect it would have on others when next contemplating writing something detrimental about someone who is dead.)

"who are you to call me a moron , in my opinion"


Was that intentional? >snigger<

[TeeCee]

The teams that win the league titles in the major leagues in Europe are all teams who invest a fair bit of money in their squad.
You CANNOT be a successful trophy winning team if you sell your best players every year and replace them with cheaper inferior players. There is no argument to that.

[OneBardGooner]

Business is a dirty world. As OneBardGooner said, a lot of high powered people have things they want to be kept hidden but that doesn't stop them from running a highly successful business.

heard this many times, think its overplayed, I know plenty of honest extremely successful people

I'm not going to sit hear and say that Usmanov is a saint who wants to come in and save us all from the nasty demons that are known as PH-W and Silent Stan the invisible man because after all, Arsenal Football Club is still a business and its a business which operates in a market which generates sickening amounts of money.

I know what you mean but 'generates' isn't quite accurate, it processes money through customers and sponsors to the players - very low (often negative) profit margins

Now, IF Usmanov some how took over what could we possibly expect? Well you have to look at it from his point of view and that is ''How can I make money from this?'' and he can do that by doing what WE the fans want

in the short term - as debt. So effectively a gamble

...high quality players bought, a team which functions consistently and overall trophies. Trophies may not seem like much but if you think about how much money the club will receive by winning trophies (One would naturally assume it is a bigger prize depending on the trophy)

normally the opposite is the case - finalists pay more in bonuses than they get in prize money but you accurately point out there are other streams-

not forgetting the positive fallout of winning trophies which is -

Existing fans happy
|
Money spent on various club products + ticket sales

IMO negligible growth potential, stadium is mostly sold out but of course going further in cups = more games

New fans
|
Money spent on various club products + ticket sales

key to our model - tours could be almost as effective

Sponsorship.

massive - we have an extremely expensive, experienced team in place (arguably too early). Our deals where longterm and negotiated in a far weaker marketplace - me and you could get a lot more, they will def go up. In this part I agree 100% with you, the key to getting the absolute max will be recent success: we NEED to be in the CL. Adding a major trophy to that increases our earning potential. In the trophyless run we are in I would virtually sacrifice a season on CL for a the FA cup - not an option till those deals are done.

TV rights.

centralised negotiations so yes only bounce is CL progression

All of the above generate a huge sum of money on top of what the club has won and collected during the previous season.

Investment brings success and somewhere along the lines PH-W and the board have lost sight of that - not including the current summer.

this is where we part company - expenditure is a gamble not a guarantee
no reason why Jabba lending lots for Wenger or another manager to spend guarantees an improvement. Inter outspend everyone in SerieA for over a decade without winning the league - there's no chance of us outsepnding Shitty or the Chavs.

Course YOU do - Gosh what were we thinking -!!! You are so special forgot about you knowing everything - and all that stuff that no one else could possibly know or imagine, or even conceive of in their wildest dreams..

[Herd]

The Hypocrisy about Fizman makes me laugh

Did any of you know him ............NO
Do u think he cared one jot about anything but his family avoiding taxes and accumulating money ??? I doubt it !

So its OK to say bad things about Robert Maxwell RVP, Wenger, Song Eboue but not Fizman !

Censorship is fine but please do not hide behind the old "closure of forum" chestnut !

[QuartzGooner]

Did you know him Herd?

I did not. Never met him.
But I know a couple of people who knew him well.
They speak highly of him.

Of course he looked after his family, but to say that he did not care about the club is not true.
Worked his guts out to get the stadium built.
Highest shareholder during some very fat years for us.
Tightened the belt during the stadium building and after.
Made sense.

You and others say this was because he wanted to raise assets and so raise the share price ahead of a sale.
Others can say it was to bring things in on time and on budget.
Maybe both are true.
Quite how you paint him in such a bad light I do not understand.

[Herd]

I'm sure he was nice to animals and small children but it is his Greed and the stupidity of Dein and before that Hillwood that has landed us were we are today, a foreign owned deeply indebted club whose Major shareholder has overpaid for the right bleed fans out of their hard earned cash whilst serving up cold porridge as an excuse for football !

What has building us a new stadium achieved for us ??? Nothing whatsoever,what did it achieve for him ..........well his shares went from about 4500 a piece to 10,000 when he sold.

They say you cant take it with you well good old clock end Danny tried to !

I'm not doubting his business acumen he knew how to make money for himself ,but his legacy to Arsenal is that he is the man who sold us down the Swanee ,how people cant see this is beyond me .

Excuse me for not mourning his passing !

[augie]

Am totally with you herd and feel that the fear of slating a dead man is preventing fizz an getting a whole load of abuse from Gooners. He was a vindictive c**t who went against everything he said about keeping the club in multiple shareholding once the big Yankee dollars were waved under his nose

[DB10GOONER]

Lads, firstly - let's drop the name calling and personal abuse here. There are rules.

Secondly - whatever any of us may think about any Board member present or past, we HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF of anything they may or may not have done. So please, no more unproven allegations, particularly about their financial dealings and or alleged skullduggery. A good qualifier here is don't write anything you couldn't or wouldn't feel comfortable defending in court.