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Will he ?

Have a statue erected after 30 glorious years service?
9
9%
Be a success, pick up a few trophies and put the club back on an even keel?
28
27%
Be a moderate success, before handing over to a more high profile successor?
20
20%
Be an utter fucking disaster?
45
44%
 
Total votes: 102

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Sat Aug 03, 2024 6:55 am
I think people need to remember how far off it we were when Arteta took over. We had the likes of Mustafi in defence. It’s going to take a decade to get us to where we want. Does anyone remember the absolute dross City signed over multiple seasons to get to the current financially doped football machine they now have? Jesus and Zinchenko were key in that first season to getting the belief back. We signed them for their winner’s mentality. However they were never good enough, which is why City sold them to us. We need to move them on and upgrade. Which is what we appear to be doing. As long as we are constantly improving I have no problem with the fact we signed them in the first place. We could never jump from the post-Wenger/Emery shit show to signing world class players. We now have Champions League football year on year and a “project” that people want to join.



Selective memory at best there buddy -

1. Emery had 18 months as manager at AFC - in his only full season he took the team to 5th place in league only missing out on top 4 by 1pt (partially self inflicted I admit) and to europa league final, so the "how far off it we were" stinks of exageration to me. He was sacked cos we were on a bad run 4 months into the season - the type of bad run that the cone boy went on a few times in those first few seasons, but because his english wasnt great and some players were undermining him, emery got the sack

2. In that only full season I remember the grove was rocking on many occasions, and the fans frequently sang about how we had got our Arsenal back. Players like torreira, guendouzi, tierney and martinelli were hailed as very good signings by the fans and meeja alike, and the passion and commitment they brought to the table was vital in the turnaround of that team. Fast forward a small bit and the cone boy came in and didnt want them for whatever reason and all of a sudden the revisionist opinions come to the fore slating them as not good enough :roll:

3. I find it comical when people keep moving the goal posts to allow the cone boy more time :roll: Its going to take a decade to get us where we want is it ? Did you make the same argument in defence of emery ? No manager in our history has been financially backed like the cone boy has - I dont just mean with signings, I also mean with the club paying off the players that he couldnt handle and taking a financial hit in the process. Have we got value for that outlay ? I would argue not. Yes we have finished second two seasons in a row, but since he got rid of the players he inherited he and the team have been shit in the domestic cups and have been bounced out of europe by mid level clubs. Finishing second in a poor quality league should not equate to success on its own, and imo he has to win a cup this coming season

4. Your transfer comments are baffling to me - you say that the two citeeh rejects were never good enough and we need to move on and are doing so, but for all the bu!!shit rumours that float around every transfer window, I dont see one rumour linking either with leaving :? I also love the way you throw in vague comments like "we now have a project that players want to join" - what players are you talking about ? I dont see top quality players lining up to sign for us and surely that is the sign of a project that players believe in ? Yes we have managed to sign the likes of rice and calafiori, but we have also been turned down emphatically by the likes of vlahovic and sesko - is that a ringing endorsement to you ? When you manage to entice a top player from another top club then that is when you can start shouting about how players want to join us, but grabbing players from clubs a level or two below us is something we have always been able to do so nothing has changed really. Its ironic that the only players from rival clubs that we can sign are the ones they are trying to get rid of cos they view them as good enough, and then we wonder why we arent able to win trophies with the amount of money we are spending :lol: :lol:

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augie wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:52 am
BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 6:55 am
I think people need to remember how far off it we were when Arteta took over. We had the likes of Mustafi in defence. It’s going to take a decade to get us to where we want. Does anyone remember the absolute dross City signed over multiple seasons to get to the current financially doped football machine they now have? Jesus and Zinchenko were key in that first season to getting the belief back. We signed them for their winner’s mentality. However they were never good enough, which is why City sold them to us. We need to move them on and upgrade. Which is what we appear to be doing. As long as we are constantly improving I have no problem with the fact we signed them in the first place. We could never jump from the post-Wenger/Emery shit show to signing world class players. We now have Champions League football year on year and a “project” that people want to join.



Selective memory at best there buddy -

1. Emery had 18 months as manager at AFC - in his only full season he took the team to 5th place in league only missing out on top 4 by 1pt (partially self inflicted I admit) and to europa league final, so the "how far off it we were" stinks of exageration to me. He was sacked cos we were on a bad run 4 months into the season - the type of bad run that the cone boy went on a few times in those first few seasons, but because his english wasnt great and some players were undermining him, emery got the sack

2. In that only full season I remember the grove was rocking on many occasions, and the fans frequently sang about how we had got our Arsenal back. Players like torreira, guendouzi, tierney and martinelli were hailed as very good signings by the fans and meeja alike, and the passion and commitment they brought to the table was vital in the turnaround of that team. Fast forward a small bit and the cone boy came in and didnt want them for whatever reason and all of a sudden the revisionist opinions come to the fore slating them as not good enough :roll:

3. I find it comical when people keep moving the goal posts to allow the cone boy more time :roll: Its going to take a decade to get us where we want is it ? Did you make the same argument in defence of emery ? No manager in our history has been financially backed like the cone boy has - I dont just mean with signings, I also mean with the club paying off the players that he couldnt handle and taking a financial hit in the process. Have we got value for that outlay ? I would argue not. Yes we have finished second two seasons in a row, but since he got rid of the players he inherited he and the team have been shit in the domestic cups and have been bounced out of europe by mid level clubs. Finishing second in a poor quality league should not equate to success on its own, and imo he has to win a cup this coming season

4. Your transfer comments are baffling to me - you say that the two citeeh rejects were never good enough and we need to move on and are doing so, but for all the bu!!shit rumours that float around every transfer window, I dont see one rumour linking either with leaving :? I also love the way you throw in vague comments like "we now have a project that players want to join" - what players are you talking about ? I dont see top quality players lining up to sign for us and surely that is the sign of a project that players believe in ? Yes we have managed to sign the likes of rice and calafiori, but we have also been turned down emphatically by the likes of vlahovic and sesko - is that a ringing endorsement to you ? When you manage to entice a top player from another top club then that is when you can start shouting about how players want to join us, but grabbing players from clubs a level or two below us is something we have always been able to do so nothing has changed really. Its ironic that the only players from rival clubs that we can sign are the ones they are trying to get rid of cos they view them as good enough, and then we wonder why we arent able to win trophies with the amount of money we are spending :lol: :lol:
I’m as critical of any Arsenal manager. I liked Emery. However you have a selective memory yourself. Emery’s English was appalling. We were not moving in the right direction under him. Big name players were taking the piss. He bottled Top 4 and the Europa League final. He then was out of his depth the following season. Let’s get this right. Emery is a cup manager. He has done well at Villa but if you look closely at what happened last season he also nearly bottled top 4. Their run in was attrocious and only Spurs shitting the bed allowed them to seal Champions League. They were literally on vapours. Plus they got dumped out of the European version of the LDV vans trophy. Your hatred for Arteta seems to be rivalled by a sycophantic delusional worship of Emery.

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Stuart L (2) wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:19 am
BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 6:55 am
I think people need to remember how far off it we were when Arteta took over. We had the likes of Mustafi in defence. It’s going to take a decade to get us to where we want. Does anyone remember the absolute dross City signed over multiple seasons to get to the current financially doped football machine they now have? Jesus and Zinchenko were key in that first season to getting the belief back. We signed them for their winner’s mentality. However they were never good enough, which is why City sold them to us. We need to move them on and upgrade. Which is what we appear to be doing. As long as we are constantly improving I have no problem with the fact we signed them in the first place. We could never jump from the post-Wenger/Emery shit show to signing world class players. We now have Champions League football year on year and a “project” that people want to join.
Precisely

We have leapt above the scum, who were finishing in front of us for the last few seasons, Utd, Chelsea, and overtaken Liverpool who actually won title 5 years ago.

The only thing currently in our way is City and that is a huge mountain to overcome .

Can’t wait for people to lose their shit when super Mik’s new 4 year deal is announced :lol: :lol:



You forgot to mention that we have overtaken leicester and they won the league 8 years ago - I mean if you talk about the victims one and only league win, you surely have to include leicester too ? :lol: :lol:

Amazing how things can be slanted in any way to suit an argument depending on which side of the fence we are on - yes we have overtaken the chavs and manure but they are an absolute clusterfuck on and off the pitch, and the good news is that I dont see that changing anytime soon 8) The scum finished above us 2 or 3 times in the last 35-40 seasons - is that really where we want to set the bar ??
I do agree 100% though that citeeh is a huge mountain to overcome

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BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:03 am
augie wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:52 am
BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 6:55 am
I think people need to remember how far off it we were when Arteta took over. We had the likes of Mustafi in defence. It’s going to take a decade to get us to where we want. Does anyone remember the absolute dross City signed over multiple seasons to get to the current financially doped football machine they now have? Jesus and Zinchenko were key in that first season to getting the belief back. We signed them for their winner’s mentality. However they were never good enough, which is why City sold them to us. We need to move them on and upgrade. Which is what we appear to be doing. As long as we are constantly improving I have no problem with the fact we signed them in the first place. We could never jump from the post-Wenger/Emery shit show to signing world class players. We now have Champions League football year on year and a “project” that people want to join.



Selective memory at best there buddy -

1. Emery had 18 months as manager at AFC - in his only full season he took the team to 5th place in league only missing out on top 4 by 1pt (partially self inflicted I admit) and to europa league final, so the "how far off it we were" stinks of exageration to me. He was sacked cos we were on a bad run 4 months into the season - the type of bad run that the cone boy went on a few times in those first few seasons, but because his english wasnt great and some players were undermining him, emery got the sack

2. In that only full season I remember the grove was rocking on many occasions, and the fans frequently sang about how we had got our Arsenal back. Players like torreira, guendouzi, tierney and martinelli were hailed as very good signings by the fans and meeja alike, and the passion and commitment they brought to the table was vital in the turnaround of that team. Fast forward a small bit and the cone boy came in and didnt want them for whatever reason and all of a sudden the revisionist opinions come to the fore slating them as not good enough :roll:

3. I find it comical when people keep moving the goal posts to allow the cone boy more time :roll: Its going to take a decade to get us where we want is it ? Did you make the same argument in defence of emery ? No manager in our history has been financially backed like the cone boy has - I dont just mean with signings, I also mean with the club paying off the players that he couldnt handle and taking a financial hit in the process. Have we got value for that outlay ? I would argue not. Yes we have finished second two seasons in a row, but since he got rid of the players he inherited he and the team have been shit in the domestic cups and have been bounced out of europe by mid level clubs. Finishing second in a poor quality league should not equate to success on its own, and imo he has to win a cup this coming season

4. Your transfer comments are baffling to me - you say that the two citeeh rejects were never good enough and we need to move on and are doing so, but for all the bu!!shit rumours that float around every transfer window, I dont see one rumour linking either with leaving :? I also love the way you throw in vague comments like "we now have a project that players want to join" - what players are you talking about ? I dont see top quality players lining up to sign for us and surely that is the sign of a project that players believe in ? Yes we have managed to sign the likes of rice and calafiori, but we have also been turned down emphatically by the likes of vlahovic and sesko - is that a ringing endorsement to you ? When you manage to entice a top player from another top club then that is when you can start shouting about how players want to join us, but grabbing players from clubs a level or two below us is something we have always been able to do so nothing has changed really. Its ironic that the only players from rival clubs that we can sign are the ones they are trying to get rid of cos they view them as good enough, and then we wonder why we arent able to win trophies with the amount of money we are spending :lol: :lol:
I’m as critical of any Arsenal manager. I liked Emery. However you have a selective memory yourself. Emery’s English was appalling. We were not moving in the right direction under him. Big name players were taking the piss. He bottled Top 4 and the Europa League final. He then was out of his depth the following season. Let’s get this right. Emery is a cup manager. He has done well at Villa but if you look closely at what happened last season he also nearly bottled top 4. Their run in was attrocious and only Spurs shitting the bed allowed them to seal Champions League. They were literally on vapours. Plus they got dumped out of the European version of the LDV vans trophy. Your hatred for Arteta seems to be rivalled by a sycophantic delusional worship of Emery.
I think Emery did pretty well with fuck all to spend.

People are far too critical of him.

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Villa under the legendary Emery won 13 points out of 33 over their last 11 Premier League games. That includes the smash and grab win over us at home. There were some fortuitous points in there too like the late draw vs Liverpool 3-3. They got 68 points. 21 points behind us. In no regular season does 68 points get you Champions League. Emery is not good enough for Arsenal. Claiming he was some sort of messiah that we let slip through our fingers requires sectioning.

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BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:14 am
Villa under the legendary Emery won 13 points out of 33 over their last 11 Premier League games. That includes the smash and grab win over us at home. There were some fortuitous points in there too like the late draw vs Liverpool 3-3. They got 68 points. 21 points behind us. In no regular season does 68 points get you Champions League. Emery is not good enough for Arsenal. Claiming he was some sort of messiah that we let slip through our fingers requires sectioning.
No one is saying that :lol:

You know the same could be said for Arteta. People on here going on about how elite he is and going into the defence if anyone else criticises him.

Arteta is just as big a bottler as Emery. How many days was he top of the league before it went to shit?

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IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:23 am
BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:14 am
Villa under the legendary Emery won 13 points out of 33 over their last 11 Premier League games. That includes the smash and grab win over us at home. There were some fortuitous points in there too like the late draw vs Liverpool 3-3. They got 68 points. 21 points behind us. In no regular season does 68 points get you Champions League. Emery is not good enough for Arsenal. Claiming he was some sort of messiah that we let slip through our fingers requires sectioning.
No one is saying that :lol:

You know the same could be said for Arteta. People on here going on about how elite he is and going into the defence if anyone else criticises him.

Arteta is just as big a bottler as Emery. How many days was he top of the league before it went to shit?
I really wonder why I get dragged in to these debates. :lol:

I think Arteta has improved us but he has serious flaws. Nowhere have I unconditionally backed him.

The stick to beat Arteta is Emery from what Augie is writing. I’m just saying that Emery has bottled every League run in he has ever fought in the Premier League. If you want to criticise Arteta I wouldn’t be basing your argument around Emery’s record at Arsenal or at Villa. If you seriously think Emery would have us winning the League with the budget Arteta has been given I would seriously question that. Emery’s tactics were batshit crazy on multiple occasions last season. They got beaten home and away by United and by Newcastle. Lost 4 nil at home to Spurs. I could go on. :lol:

I’m going to get on with my weekend now. 8)

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BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:03 am
augie wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:52 am
BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 6:55 am
I think people need to remember how far off it we were when Arteta took over. We had the likes of Mustafi in defence. It’s going to take a decade to get us to where we want. Does anyone remember the absolute dross City signed over multiple seasons to get to the current financially doped football machine they now have? Jesus and Zinchenko were key in that first season to getting the belief back. We signed them for their winner’s mentality. However they were never good enough, which is why City sold them to us. We need to move them on and upgrade. Which is what we appear to be doing. As long as we are constantly improving I have no problem with the fact we signed them in the first place. We could never jump from the post-Wenger/Emery shit show to signing world class players. We now have Champions League football year on year and a “project” that people want to join.



Selective memory at best there buddy -

1. Emery had 18 months as manager at AFC - in his only full season he took the team to 5th place in league only missing out on top 4 by 1pt (partially self inflicted I admit) and to europa league final, so the "how far off it we were" stinks of exageration to me. He was sacked cos we were on a bad run 4 months into the season - the type of bad run that the cone boy went on a few times in those first few seasons, but because his english wasnt great and some players were undermining him, emery got the sack

2. In that only full season I remember the grove was rocking on many occasions, and the fans frequently sang about how we had got our Arsenal back. Players like torreira, guendouzi, tierney and martinelli were hailed as very good signings by the fans and meeja alike, and the passion and commitment they brought to the table was vital in the turnaround of that team. Fast forward a small bit and the cone boy came in and didnt want them for whatever reason and all of a sudden the revisionist opinions come to the fore slating them as not good enough :roll:

3. I find it comical when people keep moving the goal posts to allow the cone boy more time :roll: Its going to take a decade to get us where we want is it ? Did you make the same argument in defence of emery ? No manager in our history has been financially backed like the cone boy has - I dont just mean with signings, I also mean with the club paying off the players that he couldnt handle and taking a financial hit in the process. Have we got value for that outlay ? I would argue not. Yes we have finished second two seasons in a row, but since he got rid of the players he inherited he and the team have been shit in the domestic cups and have been bounced out of europe by mid level clubs. Finishing second in a poor quality league should not equate to success on its own, and imo he has to win a cup this coming season

4. Your transfer comments are baffling to me - you say that the two citeeh rejects were never good enough and we need to move on and are doing so, but for all the bu!!shit rumours that float around every transfer window, I dont see one rumour linking either with leaving :? I also love the way you throw in vague comments like "we now have a project that players want to join" - what players are you talking about ? I dont see top quality players lining up to sign for us and surely that is the sign of a project that players believe in ? Yes we have managed to sign the likes of rice and calafiori, but we have also been turned down emphatically by the likes of vlahovic and sesko - is that a ringing endorsement to you ? When you manage to entice a top player from another top club then that is when you can start shouting about how players want to join us, but grabbing players from clubs a level or two below us is something we have always been able to do so nothing has changed really. Its ironic that the only players from rival clubs that we can sign are the ones they are trying to get rid of cos they view them as good enough, and then we wonder why we arent able to win trophies with the amount of money we are spending :lol: :lol:
I’m as critical of any Arsenal manager. I liked Emery. However you have a selective memory yourself. Emery’s English was appalling. We were not moving in the right direction under him. Big name players were taking the piss. He bottled Top 4 and the Europa League final. He then was out of his depth the following season. Let’s get this right. Emery is a cup manager. He has done well at Villa but if you look closely at what happened last season he also nearly bottled top 4. Their run in was attrocious and only Spurs shitting the bed allowed them to seal Champions League. They were literally on vapours. Plus they got dumped out of the European version of the LDV vans trophy. Your hatred for Arteta seems to be rivalled by a sycophantic delusional worship of Emery.



Did I not say in my previous post that missing out on top 4 was self inflicted by emery ??

Did I not say that big players were undermining him (taking the piss) ? Here's the question that never gets asked and one that we will never know the answer to though - would emery been a success if the board went to him and backed him by paying off those players to get them out of the club ? Impossible to say either way, but what we can say for certain is that the cone boy was drowning in failure until the club got rid of those players cos he simply could not manage them.
I dont hate the cone boy - I hated the latter years wenger for sure cos his ego was killing our club, but with arteta I think that he is doing the best that he can but just isnt a good enough manager. My "delusional worship of emery" as you call it, was that I believed that he was always going to be no more than a bridge manager for us before we appoint a top manager to lead us to glory again, and I still believe that should have been the case. Is he a cup manager ? Quite possibly, but would you rather that than the diabolical cup efforts that we are seeing with the cone boy ? Give me a choice between finishing 2nd and embarrassing cup runs under arteta, or finishing 3rd or 4th and winning a cup with a different manager, then I will pick winning a cup every day of the week

Going back to when GG took over, AFC always brought through young players almost as good as any club imo - yes some of those (like cesc) might not be 100% homegrown, but they played for our academy and were given chances to make it in the first team, and that seems to be changing under the cone boy and that saddens me more than anything. Yes I am probably feeling it more today (cos of smith-rowe's departure), but reality is that in the last two or three seasons we have seen a flow of talented young players leave the club - clearly the feeling within our academy is that they wont get a chance under arteta, and that needs to be addressed big time imo. Playing the likes of saka, rice and odeargod in almost every game is not only burning them out, it is also denying our younger players a chance to break through in domestic cup games or against some weaker league teams, and that has to change

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BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:30 am
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:23 am
BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:14 am
Villa under the legendary Emery won 13 points out of 33 over their last 11 Premier League games. That includes the smash and grab win over us at home. There were some fortuitous points in there too like the late draw vs Liverpool 3-3. They got 68 points. 21 points behind us. In no regular season does 68 points get you Champions League. Emery is not good enough for Arsenal. Claiming he was some sort of messiah that we let slip through our fingers requires sectioning.
No one is saying that :lol:

You know the same could be said for Arteta. People on here going on about how elite he is and going into the defence if anyone else criticises him.

Arteta is just as big a bottler as Emery. How many days was he top of the league before it went to shit?
I really wonder why I get dragged in to these debates. :lol:
Because that is what a forum is all about :D

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BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:14 am
Villa under the legendary Emery won 13 points out of 33 over their last 11 Premier League games. That includes the smash and grab win over us at home. There were some fortuitous points in there too like the late draw vs Liverpool 3-3. They got 68 points. 21 points behind us. In no regular season does 68 points get you Champions League. Emery is not good enough for Arsenal. Claiming he was some sort of messiah that we let slip through our fingers requires sectioning.
Augie was adamant ( not Prince charming ) they would finish above us, so it was probably his fault for cursing them :lol:

When Arteta took over I think we were in 11th place :shock: :shock: a so called “ bad run” :lol:

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BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:30 am
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:23 am
BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:14 am
Villa under the legendary Emery won 13 points out of 33 over their last 11 Premier League games. That includes the smash and grab win over us at home. There were some fortuitous points in there too like the late draw vs Liverpool 3-3. They got 68 points. 21 points behind us. In no regular season does 68 points get you Champions League. Emery is not good enough for Arsenal. Claiming he was some sort of messiah that we let slip through our fingers requires sectioning.
No one is saying that :lol:

You know the same could be said for Arteta. People on here going on about how elite he is and going into the defence if anyone else criticises him.

Arteta is just as big a bottler as Emery. How many days was he top of the league before it went to shit?
I really wonder why I get dragged in to these debates. :lol:

I think Arteta has improved us but he has serious flaws. Nowhere have I unconditionally backed him.

The stick to beat Arteta is Emery from what Augie is writing. I’m just saying that Emery has bottled every League run in he has ever fought in the Premier League. If you want to criticise Arteta I wouldn’t be basing your argument around Emery’s record at Arsenal or at Villa. If you seriously think Emery would have us winning the League with the budget Arteta has been given I would seriously question that. Emery’s tactics were batshit crazy on multiple occasions last season. They got beaten home and away by United and by Newcastle. Lost 4 nil at home to Spurs. I could go on. :lol:

I’m going to get on with my weekend now. 8)



Read back buddy - you brought emery into this discussion not me.

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BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:14 am
Villa under the legendary Emery won 13 points out of 33 over their last 11 Premier League games. That includes the smash and grab win over us at home. There were some fortuitous points in there too like the late draw vs Liverpool 3-3. They got 68 points. 21 points behind us. In no regular season does 68 points get you Champions League. Emery is not good enough for Arsenal. Claiming he was some sort of messiah that we let slip through our fingers requires sectioning.
Augie was adamant ( not Prince charming ) they would finish above us, so it was probably his fault for cursing them :lol:

When Arteta took over I think we were in 11th place :shock: :shock: a so called “ bad run” :lol:



Good article yesterday on sky sports website about smith-rowe going to Fulham - it stated that the cone boy was on a shocking run of form and basically got backed into playing smith-rowe. Our win rate went from 30% before smith-rowe was brought into the team to 70% with smith-rowe playing - a bad finish under emery was finishing 5th, but yet under the cone boy we finished 8th two seasons in a row :roll: Sky as much as said that if those games were not being played in empty stadiums then the cone boy might not have survived that 30% win rate run

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Aaah! I see everything is as cosy as can be on here and everyone is all best chums. Or as Wrick from the Young One's would say: "Gwreaaaaat!".

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augie wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:58 am
Stuart L (2) wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:47 am
BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:14 am
Villa under the legendary Emery won 13 points out of 33 over their last 11 Premier League games. That includes the smash and grab win over us at home. There were some fortuitous points in there too like the late draw vs Liverpool 3-3. They got 68 points. 21 points behind us. In no regular season does 68 points get you Champions League. Emery is not good enough for Arsenal. Claiming he was some sort of messiah that we let slip through our fingers requires sectioning.
Augie was adamant ( not Prince charming ) they would finish above us, so it was probably his fault for cursing them :lol:

When Arteta took over I think we were in 11th place :shock: :shock: a so called “ bad run” :lol:



Good article yesterday on sky sports website about smith-rowe going to Fulham - it stated that the cone boy was on a shocking run of form and basically got backed into playing smith-rowe. Our win rate went from 30% before smith-rowe was brought into the team to 70% with smith-rowe playing - a bad finish under emery was finishing 5th, but yet under the cone boy we finished 8th two seasons in a row :roll: Sky as much as said that if those games were not being played in empty stadiums then the cone boy might not have survived that 30% win rate run
Well if sky or talk sport say something it must be true :roll:

Was George Graham backed into a corner into playing Rocastle, Adams, Thomas ? Or did he get rid of the under performing high profile players on big, big money, who, on their day could beat anyone or equally lose to anyone ?

Their target audience is the gullible who believe every word they spit out as gospel.

Do you agree with the dick who stated Forest. / Villa / Celtic are bigger clubs than Arsenal because they have won ( many, many, years ago ) a European Cup ?

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Stuart L (2) wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:50 pm
augie wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:58 am
Stuart L (2) wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:47 am
BobbyPires7 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:14 am
Villa under the legendary Emery won 13 points out of 33 over their last 11 Premier League games. That includes the smash and grab win over us at home. There were some fortuitous points in there too like the late draw vs Liverpool 3-3. They got 68 points. 21 points behind us. In no regular season does 68 points get you Champions League. Emery is not good enough for Arsenal. Claiming he was some sort of messiah that we let slip through our fingers requires sectioning.
Augie was adamant ( not Prince charming ) they would finish above us, so it was probably his fault for cursing them :lol:

When Arteta took over I think we were in 11th place :shock: :shock: a so called “ bad run” :lol:



Good article yesterday on sky sports website about smith-rowe going to Fulham - it stated that the cone boy was on a shocking run of form and basically got backed into playing smith-rowe. Our win rate went from 30% before smith-rowe was brought into the team to 70% with smith-rowe playing - a bad finish under emery was finishing 5th, but yet under the cone boy we finished 8th two seasons in a row :roll: Sky as much as said that if those games were not being played in empty stadiums then the cone boy might not have survived that 30% win rate run
Well if sky or talk sport say something it must be true :roll:

Was George Graham backed into a corner into playing Rocastle, Adams, Thomas ? Or did he get rid of the under performing high profile players on big, big money, who, on their day could beat anyone or equally lose to anyone ?

Their target audience is the gullible who believe every word they spit out as gospel.

Do you agree with the dick who stated Forest. / Villa / Celtic are bigger clubs than Arsenal because they have won ( many, many, years ago ) a European Cup ?



With greatest of respect stuart, I'm not sure what your point is there :? :? I remember there was a lot of questioning the cone boy on here during that woeful run he was on, so is it a stretch to think that inside the stadium the fans would have let him know that ? Personally I dont think so.

Your question about GG also confuses me - from day one GG went into the club determined to phase out the big earners and replace them with young hungry players, where as it looks like the cone boy intended to keep the big earners until he realised that he couldnt control them. Another huge difference between GG and arteta is that GG showed that he could keep the trophies coming even after getting rid of the superstars, whilst legohead hasnt won a proper trophy since he got rid of the star players he inherited

Seeing as you mentioned the likes of TA6, Rocky and Mickey T, do you agree with the point I made earlier that the cone boy does not seem to believe in giving chances to our own academy prospects because you havent responded to that point at all :rubchin:

Finally, on the subject of gullible public, would you not agree that if anything the media seem to be in arteta's corner and champion him as a top manager ? I would suggest that being gullible is swallowing that nonsense without acknowledging the serious decline of rival clubs like chavs, manure etc, and not factoring in how much their decline has impacted our rise to second. I would say that if anything I am a person who refuses to swallow the narrative being pushed down our necks, and I question things more than most

And no I dont for one second believe that villa or forest are anywhere near as big as AFC. I do believe that celtic are rangers are both massive clubs and that if they had of joined the premier league a few years ago (as was being heavily mooted at the time), then I think a lot of fans and clubs in england would realise by now just how big both clubs are

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