As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Always knew u were a woman , fuck me brown and rob me blind would have been the correct response from a jackeen !
The first 2 goals were three pass master classes that cut them to shreds ,the first from a standing start both started by Ramsey who despite not being on top form has this habit of doing something when u need it !
Fortunately none of the Arsenal players ate Lasagne before the game !
A more accurate assessment
Rapist.
Sorry - I meant racist!!
And anymore of that out of you and I'll send Steo, Deco and Anto down to visit your post office in a stolen Beemer full of guns.
Are they home from Dundalk yet ? Good to see the shamrock rovers fans maintaining their solid rep (didn't know what kind of emoticon to use here cos I obviously wasn't aiming that at you, but it was a shocking incident that reflects badly again on rovers)
Always knew u were a woman , fuck me brown and rob me blind would have been the correct response from a jackeen !
The first 2 goals were three pass master classes that cut them to shreds ,the first from a standing start both started by Ramsey who despite not being on top form has this habit of doing something when u need it !
Fortunately none of the Arsenal players ate Lasagne before the game !
A more accurate assessment
Rapist.
Sorry - I meant racist!!
And anymore of that out of you and I'll send Steo, Deco and Anto down to visit your post office in a stolen Beemer full of guns.
Are they home from Dundalk yet ? Good to see the shamrock rovers fans maintaining their solid rep (didn't know what kind of emoticon to use here cos I obviously wasn't aiming that at you, but it was a shocking incident that reflects badly again on rovers)
This was the bloke getting canned outside a wake? Shocking thing to do. But Rovers do have a minority of hardcore arseholes that have been hooligans since the 80's. A lot of these morons are now in their late 30's and 40's and still go round looking for trouble. Absolute bellends. But, like all hooligan elements, they are a minority.
SydneyGooner wrote:As today has predictably shown Fabregas shits on him.
Thank fuck we didn't play him out wide again. WHen we had fuck all creativity in 2012/13 the second half of the season Wenger shunted Cazorla out wide to accommodate Rosicky. Now we've spent over £40m on a number 10, Wenger finally plays Cazorla there. Now fair play Cazorla had a good game there considering but why on earth pay that money for Ozil, watch his far better performances at 10 and still not try and build a team around him?
And for what it's worth Fabregas and Ozil don't play the same role or even position imo. Fabregas has never been a luxury 10 like Ozil, Cazorla, Silva, Mata - a huge part of his game is that he can be devastatingly creative from a more traditional CM position. He can put his foot in, powerfully drive past players and has a tremendous range of long passing as he showed time and time again for us and again today. Positionally he can be comfortable being further up the pitch but never likely to drift around on the periphery like those other players when things aren't going well. Don't get me wrong, a great number 10 will win you a hatful of points every season but Fabregas is a more of a traditional PL midfielder with great technical ability.
Ozil again today was disappointing but it cant just be him it must be Wenkers lack of tactics,square pegs and round holes too,you pay 40m for a player you don't stick him just anywhere ffs
I have just had a long conversation with a mate of mine who insists that it unfair to castigate Ozil for his performance when he is being played out of position, up to a point I agree but the trouble is Ozil just will not put in a decent shift when moved out of his favoured position.
I will wholeheartedly support any player who always gives 100% even if he has an off day, but unless Ozil is playing in his best position we only seem to get about 50% out of him.
Yes it is Wengers fault when he plays him out of position but Ozil himself needs to work harder wherever he is played.
I can see no light at the end of the tunnel on this one, have defended him due to his obvious class and Wenger playing him out wide but at some point he has to man up and do his bit.
He is a luxury player, a player the team should be built around but he's not so he either plays him that way or he don't because a)he's killing him and b)Ozil is killing us.
Today he was just flimsy, It was hard to watch as he's so much better than that, forget Fabregas, Sanchez showed him how it was done today, his work rate and drive was non stop, yeah he didn't score or assist but when involved he gave everything, we need players like this when it's backs against the wall, sadly, I don't think Ozil has it in him to do that.
We're not going to win the league, we're not going to win the CL.
For the rest of the season play him at 10, build the team around that. If he doesn't shine then he never will and we should cut our losses and flog him.
Instead we will see this shit for another 2 or 3 years as everyone except Wenger can see it's a failed experiment. Like Podolski still soaking up over £5m a year in wages to contribute the square root of fuck all to the squad.
northbank123 wrote:We're not going to win the league, we're not going to win the CL.
For the rest of the season play him at 10, build the team around that. If he doesn't shine then he never will and we should cut our losses and flog him.
Instead we will see this shit for another 2 or 3 years as everyone except Wenger can see it's a failed experiment. Like Podolski still soaking up over £5m a year in wages to contribute the square root of fuck all to the squad.
Something that we all knew before a ball was kicked....which is precisely why we should have gone for the League Cup....or would it have been beneath Mesut and the modern day snobs to go for a trophy that doesn't have a £20m winner fee attached
I firmly believe that Ozil has enough experience to play wide either side of midfield.
But...it is clear that he simply does not play well for us unless he is Number 10.
And when he plays well he is one of the best passers I have ever seen.
So we have to play him Number 10.
I actually can see a time when Alexis Sanchez will be Number 10, with Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain wide, Welbeck up front.
I can't because we will always get back to the point that either Wilshere or Ramsey or even both have to be shoe horned in by the manager regardless of if it throws the balance of the side off.
Very unfair to compare Cesc and Ozil based on yesterday.
Wenger played Cesc wide right a few times back in 2005 (I think); guess what, he was rubbish there. His form at Barca was generally considered disappointing (and he was ultimately sold) having been shunted around different positions including the wing. Unsuprisingly he's returned to form playing centrally.
What's Cazorla done to deserve playing in the centre instead of Ozil? Makes no sense to me at all.
I don't think Ozil was actually THAT bad yesterday. He was quiet, but then I personally think Flamini - did absolutely fuck all, Chambers - rash challenges all over the place, Welbeck - lucky not to be facing a 3 match ban for an idiotic challenge - all arguably had worse games than Ozil.
Constantly berating him will only set in motion a loss of confidence, unhappiness and finally departure of one of our most naturally gifted players.
Nobody doubts that he is one of the (if not THE) best 10 in the world... so the question isn't whether Ozil is shit, it's WHY we aren't getting the best out of him. Could be the fact we're constantly exposed by shit defending whenever our forward players lose the ball, or alternatively we have no world class striker running in behind, or alternatively he's being shifted across the midfield from week to week.
worthing_gooner wrote:I don't think Ozil was actually THAT bad yesterday. He was quiet, but then I personally think Flamini - did absolutely fuck all, Chambers - rash challenges all over the place, Welbeck - lucky not to be facing a 3 match ban for an idiotic challenge - all arguably had worse games than Ozil.
Constantly berating him will only set in motion a loss of confidence, unhappiness and finally departure of one of our most naturally gifted players.
Nobody doubts that he is one of the (if not THE) best 10 in the world... so the question isn't whether Ozil is shit, it's WHY we aren't getting the best out of him. Could be the fact we're constantly exposed by shit defending whenever our forward players lose the ball, or alternatively we have no world class striker running in behind, or alternatively he's being shifted across the midfield from week to week.
The trouble is though WG we need our best players to step up in the big games and off the top of my head I cannot think of many if any that he has. I accept that not playing in his favoured role is not helping, but his body language is of a sulking player and we really could do without that right now.
May all be lost in translation but this is interesting per mertesacker on Pravda today
on this performance compared to last year…
Obviously we were more competitive this year. That was the first target, to be much better than last year. At times we were good but not good enough to score a goal. Defensively we made two wrong decisions and we missed the final touch in the last third and the final ball - that was the difference. Overall we have to admit that we can take some positives out of this game but there’s still something to do.
If the top players start the game just hoping to do better than a 6-0 loss its little wonder we lost. Mentality totally wrong from the start.
