The Summer 2014 TRANSFER THREAD

[MrT]

Bacary Sagna "has been shocking for 2 seasons now. Always looks nervous and uncomfortable on the ball"

ahahahaha this place is a hoot Whoever the mods pay to write this stuff, double their wages please, they're earning it

Why don't you quote me and counter any points I've made? You never seem to make any valid points on here. Just seem to float around making snide smug comments.

[MrT]

Bacary Sagna "has been shocking for 2 seasons now. Always looks nervous and uncomfortable on the ball"

ahahahaha this place is a hoot Whoever the mods pay to write this stuff, double their wages please, they're earning it

I agree that "shocking" is a pretty ridiculous assessment (although his form was shit for a fairly long period last year I recall). But the second part is right imo, he is really uncomfortable on the ball to the extent that he is terrified to genuinely try and take on a defender and constantly just checks back and looks to offload. Add this to his frankly woeful crossing and his attacking contributions are fairly negligible.

For what it's worth I'd rather him stay. He's not top drawer any more but he still does his job defensively which is far more important to me than bombing down the line as many of these full-backs who are revered for their attacking prowess are all fart no shit if you will (like Shaw or Walker for example). I'm reticent to break up a defensive unit that has by and large performed very encouragingly this year unless it is a clear upgrade, especially as I can see Mertesacker's form dipping alarmingly with an unreliable right-back alongside him. Coleman for me would be ideal but we won't stump up the £15m for him and the realistic alternative is Jenkinson and/or some shit full back in the £5-8m bracket (a la Santos or Monreal).

Ridiculous how? Ok, shocking might be a tad exaggerated but he has been poor for a long time, mainly since the leg breaks. What does he genuinely offer the team? When was the last time you have ever thought, yes Sagna has the ball I feel he is going to bomb down the right side, cut inside, use some semblance of skill to beat his man and do the most basic of things like cross a ball where it doesn't miss everybody and go out for a throw in. He offers nothing defensively on the right, in the centre maybe, but on the right put him against a fast winger and he gets skinned time and time again.

Put him under any bit of pressure and he stumbles around praying Per is close by to bail him out.

[topgoon]

http://towerhillstation.wordpress.com/2 ... o-arsenal/

Jesus 31 assists in 2 seasons who's he got in front of him Messi,Ronaldo and The Zlat

[1989]

The thing with Vela is that he's practically never injured which means Wenger can't be that much interested.

[Swifty]

The thing with Vela is that he's practically never injured which means Wenger can't be that much interested.

If he's only 3m then you'd get him wouldn't you. Wasn't young Campbell 2m?? and Park?? Seems like a gimme. Other spots to fill though.

PS How much does everyone reckon Ozil is worth now compared to what we paid?

[VAVAVOOM 14]

PS How much does everyone reckon Ozil is worth now compared to what we paid?

Well have to wait until next season in order to accurately gauge him; certainly his performances this year didn't warrant the exorbitant price tag but it was his inaugural season in the PL - lets not forget Bergkamp, Pires, and Henry all struggled in their first seasons.

[northbank123]

Mr T I've said that he's not much cop going forward - although this is not his primary responsibility and I think far fewer full-backs are actually real attacking threats than people would have you believe.

But "offers nothing defensively on the right" is complete and utter cack. That's the sort of thing you'd say about someone that gets torn to pieces every week.

[markyp]

the new and improved vela = no brainer

[VAVAVOOM 14]

the new and improved vela = no brainer

I wouldn't be adverse to signing him but it would come with a caveat: he can't be the only striker we sign, we need someone superior to be first choice.

[DB10GOONER]

Vela? No. Not good enough. As someone above said if he was part of the signing of 2 strikers (the other one being top quality) then I wouldn't be too upset either. But if he was our only signing in that position? No. The Spanish league is no where near as physically demanding as the PL and is (mostly) played at a snails pace (outside of the odd Barca/Madrid game) which suits strikers of Vela's limited ability. He never got the time on the ball in the PL that he gets in Spain. Vela has found his level.

As for Sagna. I've long said he is absolute pants going forward and has been for 2 years now. His crossing is the worst in the PL apart from Gibbs. He offers nothing going forward, nearly always checking back, afraid to take on his man. But I still believe he is a good option at RB because mostly his defending is pretty solid.

I'd replace both Gibbs and Sagna with Baines and Coleman in a heartbeat, particularly Coleman for Sagna, but Wenger is not going to spunk 10 - 15 million on him so Jenko is the future at RB. And for me Jenko isn't near ready to step up yet. Jenko is faster than Sagna, a far better crosser of the ball too, but Jenko is often very weak defensively. I'd like Sagna to stay in the hope that Jenko could learn more about the defensive side of the role from him.

[DB10GOONER]

PS How much does everyone reckon Ozil is worth now compared to what we paid?

Well have to wait until next season in order to accurately gauge him; certainly his performances this year didn't warrant the exorbitant price tag but it was his inaugural season in the PL - lets not forget Bergkamp, Pires, and Henry all struggled in their first seasons.

Agree totally. Some of the negative comments on here this season when Ozil went off the boil were fucking ludicrous tbh. Nearly every player from abroad struggles in their first PL season. We'll get a better gauge of his worth this season.

But I'd also say that the top players (and Ozil is a top top player) play better with other top players than they do with average or poor players. The top players think on a different level. Remember Bergkamp when he had Hillier, Selley and McGoldrick around him? You could see DB10 was quality but it often just didn't work. He was thinking two passes and three seconds ahead of those players. Only Wrighty was near DB10's level. But when we added Overmars, Petit and Vieira in there (and later Pires and Henry)? The fucking difference was huge in Bergkamp. Suddenly those 1 touch pass and move things and those weighted through balls were leading to goals. If we added 2 or 3 absolute top quality players then we'd see the best from Ozil.

[1989]

Vela? No. Not good enough. As someone above said if he was part of the signing of 2 strikers (the other one being top quality) then I wouldn't be too upset either. But if he was our only signing in that position? No. The Spanish league is no where near as physically demanding as the PL and is (mostly) played at a snails pace (outside of the odd Barca/Madrid game) which suits strikers of Vela's limited ability. He never got the time on the ball in the PL that he gets in Spain. Vela has found his level.

As for Sagna. I've long said he is absolute pants going forward and has been for 2 years now. His crossing is the worst in the PL apart from Gibbs. He offers nothing going forward, nearly always checking back, afraid to take on his man. But I still believe he is a good option at RB because mostly his defending is pretty solid.

I'd replace both Gibbs and Sagna with Baines and Coleman in a heartbeat, particularly Coleman for Sagna, but Wenger is not going to spunk 10 - 15 million on him so Jenko is the future at RB. And for me Jenko isn't near ready to step up yet. Jenko is faster than Sagna, a far better crosser of the ball too, but Jenko is often very weak defensively. I'd like Sagna to stay in the hope that Jenko could learn more about the defensive side of the role from him.

Vela's not good enough? Who is then? We won't be able to get Messi, Ronaldo or Suarez.

Benzema? Vela's stats are better than his and he plays in a much inferior team!

[1989]

the new and improved vela = no brainer

I wouldn't be adverse to signing him but it would come with a caveat: he can't be the only striker we sign, we need someone superior to be first choice.

Vela and Sanchez - that would be immense. We'd score hatfuls and be exciting to watch again.

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

the new and improved vela = no brainer

I wouldn't be adverse to signing him but it would come with a caveat: he can't be the only striker we sign, we need someone superior to be first choice.

Vela, Sanogo and Sanchez - that would be immense. We'd score hatfuls and be exciting to watch again.

Correction

[MrT]

Mr T I've said that he's not much cop going forward - although this is not his primary responsibility and I think far fewer full-backs are actually real attacking threats than people would have you believe.

But "offers nothing defensively on the right" is complete and utter cack. That's the sort of thing you'd say about someone that gets torn to pieces every week.

Do you seriously pay attention to the glaring deficiencies on this team? I mean really take the time for critical analysis. Pay extra close attention to how he plays and all will be revealed. If you're happy to have a RB that can't do the most basic of things then I can't help you there.

The next time you see a pacey winger against Sagna I will guarantee that the vast majority of the time he will get skinned. He's slow, a liability and his best days are behind him, time to get rid. Does it really matter anyway? He wants a bigger pay day to sit on the City bench so he can go get fucked. He obviously thinks he's better than he actually is.