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[foxinthebox2001]

Thats why all natural strikers in that situation run across the path of the defender, any minimal contact will draw a foul.
I dont think the theatricals made any difference, unedifying yes, but inconsequential, Mert was bang to rights.
What dissapoints me is we knew Costa was looking to isolate Mert, go on his shoulder rather than Kos's, and we did nothing about it.
More than ever it was important for the pair to keep level, but didnt happen.

[DB10GOONER]

Thats why all natural strikers in that situation run across the path of the defender, any minimal contact will draw a foul.
I dont think the theatricals made any difference, unedifying yes, but inconsequential, Mert was bang to rights.

Which is why I said it was a schoolboy error by the Big German Vagina to lunge like that. It doesn't change the fact the contact was minimal at best or the fact that Cúnta threw himself down. TBH the minute I saw the BGV and not Gabriel line up I knew we were in trouble.

[rodders999]

Ox for Walcott was just flushing one sh1t down the pan for another one ,still sh1t !

Have to agree - Walcott off for Ox must be the most depressing substitution in the history of the game.

[augie]

Can I just say (as one of the first to question the decision), that I have no probs with anyone being banned (either short term or long term) for anything libellous, bringing up the disgraceful peado rumours or actually threatening to kill someone - however I do feel that there is a big difference between threatening to kill someone and actually wishing they were dead. Comments wishing someone dead might be judged to be poor or disgraceful by many, but it is something that can have zero libel impact on this forum or it's owners and to my understanding the Forum Rules were brought in to rightly protect the owner from any libel comments that can come back on him - as I said already, protecting the person/people providing this forum should always be the number one priority and I for one am very grateful (most of the time anyway ) to the people concerned.

What I do not like on this occasion though, is the fact that a thread can be set up warning members of their conduct but not allowing them to debate/discuss the issues concerned. I know that the mods on here do not see themselves as dictators or some form of the gestapo, and I totally believe that we owe all of them a big debt of gratitude for the work that they put in maintaining sanity on here, but at the same time I do feel that there are occasions where members should be allowed to openly discuss issues and the interpretation of wishing someone dead is one of them

Obviously I put these comments on here because this thread was where those comments originated last night

PS. Chelski are chav c.unts and that pikey c.unt seems to get away with being in the referee's ear every single time there is a big decision to be made - the pictures in todays rags shown the b*stard in clattenberg's ear when he was about to send of the bfg, and it is ironic that the slow as a carthorse dickhead was able to sprint 40 yards down the field to try and influence the ref and yet he isn't able to run at all when opposition forwards get at him

[mcdowell42]

In fairness Augie he didn't have a whole pile of running to do yesterday bar to the ref.

[arseofacrow]

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Once again we were beaten by a better team. Simple really.

Yeah, was happy to see that guy back last night

[arseofacrow]

Walcott captaincy a gesture by Mertesacker, not a problem as we do not really have an outfield Skipper on the pitch anyway, not one of the stature of an Adams or a Vieira.

For me only Cech emerged from that with credit.
Team looked sluggish and devoid of creativity.

Why?

OK, Chelsea kept possession well and gave a good physical effort, but we played as if in a training game.

I know there are many stories of how training focusses on short passing triangles but it is time to get a more combative training ground routine with a view to a more uptempo game.
Both physically and mentally.
Or we will forever finish fourth.

Quartz, you can add Alexis to that list. I was screaming at the telly to bring him on and within seconds he turned the match on its head. He drew in challenges which resulted in numerous free kicks and the odd booking and never once hid or got outmuscled (here's looking at you Mesut, the latest Nasriesque flat track bully).

Alexis for captain !

He also made Wally look like a complete by comparison.

[officepest]

I don’t have a problem with Quartz’s thread. The wording could have perhaps been better but Hartson is/was a grade-A WUM and deserved banning for the shit he was spouting yesterday.

95% of the shit Hartson posted was pure WUM stuff; I’m surprised he hasn’t been banned before and I’d be surprised if we see him again to be honest.

Better that he acts quickly so we remain open and can then argue the merits or flaws of his actions today.

[DB10GOONER]

Can I just say (as one of the first to question the decision), that I have no probs with anyone being banned (either short term or long term) for anything libellous, bringing up the disgraceful peado rumours or actually threatening to kill someone - however I do feel that there is a big difference between threatening to kill someone and actually wishing they were dead. Comments wishing someone dead might be judged to be poor or disgraceful by many, but it is something that can have zero libel impact on this forum or it's owners and to my understanding the Forum Rules were brought in to rightly protect the owner from any libel comments that can come back on him - as I said already, protecting the person/people providing this forum should always be the number one priority and I for one am very grateful (most of the time anyway ) to the people concerned.

What I do not like on this occasion though, is the fact that a thread can be set up warning members of their conduct but not allowing them to debate/discuss the issues concerned. I know that the mods on here do not see themselves as dictators or some form of the gestapo, and I totally believe that we owe all of them a big debt of gratitude for the work that they put in maintaining sanity on here, but at the same time I do feel that there are occasions where members should be allowed to openly discuss issues and the interpretation of wishing someone dead is one of them

Obviously I put these comments on here because this thread was where those comments originated last night

Fair comment, augie. The idea behind a locked thread is that if it is left open the original message will get lost in a million posts and people will be less inclined to look at it. If it's locked it attracts attention and there's a good chance most or all of the posters will read it.

As you know we have a fairly free and easy attitude to threads staying on topic (which I love) and the locked thread doesn't prevent the subject being discussed in other threads (like here). Or you can start a seperate thread to discuss banning issues etc - that's no probs at all.

Regarding the death threat / wish-he-was-dead issue and libel etc. There is also a question of taste to be considered. A poster wishing Wenger will die of AIDs is going to attract more complaints than a poster calling him a "cúnt". The owner made it clear to all us mods that we had a duty of care to not let the forum get out of hand with too much offensive stuff that leads to too many complaints. And that is a balancing act we try to perform; keep the forum within the bounds of reasonable taste but not kill the banter and content.

This isn't aimed at you augie, but in general to all posters; Can people now please drop the "it wasn't a death threat" defense? That was just a mix up in wording. The banning was for wishing Wenger died of AIDS which is offensive to any right thinking person.

[foxinthebox2001]

Walcott captaincy a gesture by Mertesacker, not a problem as we do not really have an outfield Skipper on the pitch anyway, not one of the stature of an Adams or a Vieira.

For me only Cech emerged from that with credit.
Team looked sluggish and devoid of creativity.

Why?

OK, Chelsea kept possession well and gave a good physical effort, but we played as if in a training game.

I know there are many stories of how training focusses on short passing triangles but it is time to get a more combative training ground routine with a view to a more uptempo game.
Both physically and mentally.
Or we will forever finish fourth.

Quartz, you can add Alexis to that list. I was screaming at the telly to bring him on and within seconds he turned the match on its head. He drew in challenges which resulted in numerous free kicks and the odd booking and never once hid or got outmuscled (here's looking at you Mesut, the latest Nasriesque flat track bully).

Alexis for captain !

He also made Wally look like a complete by comparison.

What we took too long to realise is its difficult to break down teams with a passing game with a man disadvantage, Alexis began by running at opponents which caused some problems.
Chelsea soon realised they needed to double/treble up on him.
Unfortunately, the last time Walcott ran at a defender was back in 2013.

[GranadaJoe]

Thats why all natural strikers in that situation run across the path of the defender, any minimal contact will draw a foul.
I dont think the theatricals made any difference, unedifying yes, but inconsequential, Mert was bang to rights.

Which is why I said it was a schoolboy error by the Big German Vagina to lunge like that. It doesn't change the fact the contact was minimal at best or the fact that Cúnta threw himself down. TBH the minute I saw the BGV and not Gabriel line up I knew we were in trouble.

My heart sank as well when I saw BFG instead of Gabriel, and I completely agree that BFG royally fucked up, but if you watch Kos, he once again made a horrendous mistake. He half stepped up (god knows why) when he was nowhere near a defender, leaving C*sta to run in on an isolated BFG. At the very least, if he'd kept position it wouldn't have been a red as he'd have been covering and BFG wouldn't have been the last man.
On the cover Kos is great, and man to man as well, but he's made some terrible decisions this season. He may feel more comfortable with Gabriel in the side.

[DB10GOONER]

Thats why all natural strikers in that situation run across the path of the defender, any minimal contact will draw a foul.
I dont think the theatricals made any difference, unedifying yes, but inconsequential, Mert was bang to rights.

Which is why I said it was a schoolboy error by the Big German Vagina to lunge like that. It doesn't change the fact the contact was minimal at best or the fact that Cúnta threw himself down. TBH the minute I saw the BGV and not Gabriel line up I knew we were in trouble.

My heart sank as well when I saw BFG instead of Gabriel, and I completely agree that BFG royally fucked up, but if you watch Kos, he once again made a horrendous mistake. He half stepped up (god knows why) when he was nowhere near a defender, leaving C*sta to run in on an isolated BFG. At the very least, if he'd kept position it wouldn't have been a red as he'd have been covering and BFG wouldn't have been the last man.
On the cover Kos is great, and man to man as well, but he's made some terrible decisions this season. He may feel more comfortable with Gabriel in the side.

Yeah have to agree. Maybe Kos is more confident and comfortable with Gabriel beside him than with Mert beside him? For me Kos has been the best CH in the PL this season but agree he has made some absolutely shocking decisions and mistakes. I guess it's indicative of the overall dearth of real top quality CH's in the PL...

[augie]

Can I just say (as one of the first to question the decision), that I have no probs with anyone being banned (either short term or long term) for anything libellous, bringing up the disgraceful peado rumours or actually threatening to kill someone - however I do feel that there is a big difference between threatening to kill someone and actually wishing they were dead. Comments wishing someone dead might be judged to be poor or disgraceful by many, but it is something that can have zero libel impact on this forum or it's owners and to my understanding the Forum Rules were brought in to rightly protect the owner from any libel comments that can come back on him - as I said already, protecting the person/people providing this forum should always be the number one priority and I for one am very grateful (most of the time anyway ) to the people concerned.

What I do not like on this occasion though, is the fact that a thread can be set up warning members of their conduct but not allowing them to debate/discuss the issues concerned. I know that the mods on here do not see themselves as dictators or some form of the gestapo, and I totally believe that we owe all of them a big debt of gratitude for the work that they put in maintaining sanity on here, but at the same time I do feel that there are occasions where members should be allowed to openly discuss issues and the interpretation of wishing someone dead is one of them

Obviously I put these comments on here because this thread was where those comments originated last night

Fair comment, augie. The idea behind a locked thread is that if it is left open the original message will get lost in a million posts and people will be less inclined to look at it. If it's locked it attracts attention and there's a good chance most or all of the posters will read it.

As you know we have a fairly free and easy attitude to threads staying on topic (which I love) and the locked thread doesn't prevent the subject being discussed in other threads (like here). Or you can start a seperate thread to discuss banning issues etc - that's no probs at all.

Regarding the death threat / wish-he-was-dead issue and libel etc. There is also a question of taste to be considered. A poster wishing Wenger will die of AIDs is going to attract more complaints than a poster calling him a "cúnt". The owner made it clear to all us mods that we had a duty of care to not let the forum get out of hand with too much offensive stuff that leads to too many complaints. And that is a balancing act we try to perform; keep the forum within the bounds of reasonable taste but not kill the banter and content.

This isn't aimed at you augie, but in general to all posters; Can people now please drop the "it wasn't a death threat" defense? That was just a mix up in wording. The banning was for wishing Wenger died of AIDS which is offensive to any right thinking person.

Not too many of them around here

Just to echo what officepest said when he said that hartson has been a wum on here for a long, long time and he possibly should have been shut down before now. I have no probs with him being banned

[arseofacrow]

We were out performed from the first minute as Chelsea have our number and we're unwilling to change. Their and our start to the game combined caused the red card. Their control and , If I remember correctly, a piss poor challenge from Ramsey on Willian which was indicative of the nervousness and lack of control by us.

Ramsey and Flamini were sharing what duties? They shared the same pitch but that looked about it. Koscielny was a bit over the place and the normal chaotic defending against quality opposition resurfaced.

But one guy, other than the one in the blue shirt, stood out. Our glorious captain Walcott.

You sir, are a fucking disgrace. You talk the talk but when it comes to delivering, where the fuck are you? All of you take a look at Sanchez and hang your heads in shame.

[GranadaJoe]

I know many ex-players have said that AW doesn't often give the team or individual players match instructions, and I've always thought he must tell them something, but after yesterday's debacle I can't imagime what.

We started with Ramsey and Flamini so deep and with Ozil floating around just behind Giroud that we completely ceded the centre of the park to the Chavs and Cesc and the others could stroll around at leisure. A higher line would have more more sense, but not with BFG in the team.

I thought hooking Giroud was the right call (even before we heard about his ankle problem). We'd have had to go 4 4 1, leaving him completely isolated, up against two strong CBs. But it 'rock and a hard place' time. If Wally could have timed his runs from the left better and occasionally controlled the ball, we'd have had more chance.

We got Cech, but at CB, DM and CF we are still weak and it is costing us. Maybe you need 40 years in football to spot that.