The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[Chippy]

As a foreigner ( ) I'm loath to lock this thread lads, but seriously can we please drop the personal insults - and debate like adults?

SlyNews are running along nicely with their agenda; now reporting "numerous" incidents of people accosting Asian and Black English people (always apparently "third and fourth" generation) and telling them to "leave" as they (the supposed xenophobes) have won the referendum and all the "immigants" now must go. Now I'm sure there has been a couple of incidents where racist mongs have done that but I'm struggling to believe it's quite as endemic as SlyNews are trying to make out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/e ... fvfs35l8fr

[DB10GOONER]

As a foreigner ( ) I'm loath to lock this thread lads, but seriously can we please drop the personal insults - and debate like adults?

SlyNews are running along nicely with their agenda; now reporting "numerous" incidents of people accosting Asian and Black English people (always apparently "third and fourth" generation) and telling them to "leave" as they (the supposed xenophobes) have won the referendum and all the "immigants" now must go. Now I'm sure there has been a couple of incidents where racist mongs have done that but I'm struggling to believe it's quite as endemic as SlyNews are trying to make out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/e ... fvfs35l8fr

"A Barnsley man has admitted he voted leave in the EU referendum ‘to stop Muslims coming into the country’. Interviewed by Channel 4 News the unidentified man said: “It’s all about immigration. It’s not about trade or Europe or anything like that, it’s all about immigration. 'It’s to stop Muslims coming into this country. Simple as that'."

Moe in The Simpsons is from Barnsley??!!!



But seriously, that is some shocking stuff. But again, I'd say these are incidents that involve the type of "people" that probably do that type of racist shit on a regular basis. It might look worse because it's being correlated in relation to Brexit?

[Rugby Gooner]

Are we in recession...NO.
Has the pound collapsed...NO £1 = €1.21 hardly a collapse.

Has the NHS collapsed...NO

Have any corporations left...NO. HSBC wanted to leave 3 years ago because of banking regulations in the UK.

All the remain campaign crying. Democracy spoke and just cos mummy and daddy didn't let you get your own way, you're all crying. At least now we've voted leave EU you can afford to buy your own house and leave your parents home.

Thats why they voted to leave, so their kids to finally move out and cook, clean and do their own bloody laundry.

Compare it to USD, since Euro is sinking together with pound!!!

Ah a European who is wiser than an Englishman. Pound fell to its lowest level against the dollar for 30 years. And this is very important as all our non EU trade is generally done in dollars. And of course all energy markets are $ denominated so petrol is set to rise about 2-3p per litre this week. Soon to be followed by gas and electricity prices. But not to worry all the "savings" are going to reduce the VAT, or NHS or bugger all.

Banks will have to move operations into the EU.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... b-official

We're obviously not in recession after 48 hours But no multi-national is going to invest big sums in the UK for the foreseeable future and many are looking for exit strategies.

So you are admitting that house prices are going to fall. Not sure how popular that will be with those relying on their houses for pensions, especially as any investments and/or pensions are being wiped out by the stock market fall.

As for the NHS.

I'm Kosovan-Albanian! That makes me not European, or better said not wanted European!
I guess , since I get paid in USD , and if I think the same way Europenas think "selfish"! It's good to me!
But no, I can't think that way, no matter what I make, and how I live, still been worried about all this mess!

Are there no English staff in the N.H.S.?!

[DB10GOONER]

Are we in recession...NO.
Has the pound collapsed...NO £1 = €1.21 hardly a collapse.

Has the NHS collapsed...NO

Have any corporations left...NO. HSBC wanted to leave 3 years ago because of banking regulations in the UK.

All the remain campaign crying. Democracy spoke and just cos mummy and daddy didn't let you get your own way, you're all crying. At least now we've voted leave EU you can afford to buy your own house and leave your parents home.

Thats why they voted to leave, so their kids to finally move out and cook, clean and do their own bloody laundry.

Compare it to USD, since Euro is sinking together with pound!!!

Ah a European who is wiser than an Englishman. Pound fell to its lowest level against the dollar for 30 years. And this is very important as all our non EU trade is generally done in dollars. And of course all energy markets are $ denominated so petrol is set to rise about 2-3p per litre this week. Soon to be followed by gas and electricity prices. But not to worry all the "savings" are going to reduce the VAT, or NHS or bugger all.

Banks will have to move operations into the EU.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... b-official

We're obviously not in recession after 48 hours But no multi-national is going to invest big sums in the UK for the foreseeable future and many are looking for exit strategies.

So you are admitting that house prices are going to fall. Not sure how popular that will be with those relying on their houses for pensions, especially as any investments and/or pensions are being wiped out by the stock market fall.

As for the NHS.

I'm Kosovan-Albanian! That makes me not European, or better said not wanted European!
I guess , since I get paid in USD , and if I think the same way Europenas think "selfish"! It's good to me!
But no, I can't think that way, no matter what I make, and how I live, still been worried about all this mess!

Are there no English staff in the N.H.S.?!

Would it really matter if there weren't?

[mcdowell42]

Nut flush gooner personal abuse will he get a ban ?
Brighton got banned for less

No he did not. What Brighton posted was disgusting xenophobic/racist slurs. Nut Flush insulted another poster and has been insulted by other posters. We let these things go with a general warning because tbh it's not major personal abuse. We try to nip it in the bud and rely on the posters to be civil to some extent.

If we were to ban everyone that has insulted another poster there would be no one on here except Basil and g88ner and McDowell

[the playing mantis]

As a foreigner ( ) I'm loath to lock this thread lads, but seriously can we please drop the personal insults - and debate like adults?

SlyNews are running along nicely with their agenda; now reporting "numerous" incidents of people accosting Asian and Black English people (always apparently "third and fourth" generation) and telling them to "leave" as they (the supposed xenophobes) have won the referendum and all the "immigants" now must go. Now I'm sure there has been a couple of incidents where racist mongs have done that but I'm struggling to believe it's quite as endemic as SlyNews are trying to make out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/e ... fvfs35l8fr

"A Barnsley man has admitted he voted leave in the EU referendum ‘to stop Muslims coming into the country’. Interviewed by Channel 4 News the unidentified man said: “It’s all about immigration. It’s not about trade or Europe or anything like that, it’s all about immigration. 'It’s to stop Muslims coming into this country. Simple as that'."

Moe in The Simpsons is from Barnsley??!!!



But seriously, that is some shocking stuff. But again, I'd say these are incidents that involve the type of "people" that probably do that type of racist shit on a regular basis. It might look worse because it's being correlated in relation to Brexit?

spot on, people making out as if this stuff never happened before. it did and it was out of order then as it is now, but people trying to cause and effect it with brexit to suit their own agendas.

likewise media yet again interviewing the worst examples of society to make out leave are all degenerate scum.

[DB10GOONER]

Nut flush gooner personal abuse will he get a ban ?
Brighton got banned for less

No he did not. What Brighton posted was disgusting xenophobic/racist slurs. Nut Flush insulted another poster and has been insulted by other posters. We let these things go with a general warning because tbh it's not major personal abuse. We try to nip it in the bud and rely on the posters to be civil to some extent.

If we were to ban everyone that has insulted another poster there would be no one on here except Basil and g88ner and McDowell

Debatable...

[the playing mantis]

and its as for all the apparent racist views, its bound to happen in such a situation as big as this big events with such widespread attention as brexit always cause poor taste comments and people acting like knobs.

[augie]

As a foreigner ( ) I'm loath to lock this thread lads, but seriously can we please drop the personal insults - and debate like adults?

SlyNews are running along nicely with their agenda; now reporting "numerous" incidents of people accosting Asian and Black English people (always apparently "third and fourth" generation) and telling them to "leave" as they (the supposed xenophobes) have won the referendum and all the "immigants" now must go. Now I'm sure there has been a couple of incidents where racist mongs have done that but I'm struggling to believe it's quite as endemic as SlyNews are trying to make out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/e ... fvfs35l8fr

"A Barnsley man has admitted he voted leave in the EU referendum ‘to stop Muslims coming into the country’. Interviewed by Channel 4 News the unidentified man said: “It’s all about immigration. It’s not about trade or Europe or anything like that, it’s all about immigration. 'It’s to stop Muslims coming into this country. Simple as that'."

Moe in The Simpsons is from Barnsley??!!!



But seriously, that is some shocking stuff. But again, I'd say these are incidents that involve the type of "people" that probably do that type of racist shit on a regular basis. It might look worse because it's being correlated in relation to Brexit?

The thing is, and brexit people will no doubt dispute this, but there will have been a large number of people who voted out for that very reason. That's not me labelling those people as uneducated or racist or anything, cos to a certain degree I can understand their thinking ? Is it not normal for people to be unhappy/angry at seeing so many jobs be filled with non English people, when there are so many decent hard working people without jobs ? Is it not normal to feel outrage at a system that see's serious money being paid out to people who come from another country to get benefits in a country in which they have never worked a day and never contributed one penny ?
What is not acceptable however, is when people start looking at the race of a person and automatically judge them on their race and label them as a sponger and/or a possible terrorist - there are many decent hard working "foreigners" just as there are loads of lazy no good for nothing british (and Irish) c.unts who are happy to live on social welfare with no intention of ever working a day in their lives, as they happily leech off the taxes taken from the hard working people

[Chippy]

I normally post from "left wing" papers because they don't have a paywall. However this Torygraph article seems to be outside the paywall.

We do not control this process

Article 50 is designed so that it leaves any state that activates it is a supplicant.

The remaining EU states will negotiate between themselves and deal with the UK as one, just as they would for Albania or Turkey.

If a deal covering trade arrangements isn’t struck once the two-year period expires, Britain is simply released from the EU treaties and left on crippling WTO terms - something the Treasury terms a "severe shock scenario" and which it envisages would likely result in a cut in GDP of six per cent and increase unemployment by 800,000, not including the risks presented by emergency spending cuts, or the "tipping points" presented by the crystallisation of financial stability risks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... ke-greece/

[Rugby Gooner]

Compare it to USD, since Euro is sinking together with pound!!!

Ah a European who is wiser than an Englishman. Pound fell to its lowest level against the dollar for 30 years. And this is very important as all our non EU trade is generally done in dollars. And of course all energy markets are $ denominated so petrol is set to rise about 2-3p per litre this week. Soon to be followed by gas and electricity prices. But not to worry all the "savings" are going to reduce the VAT, or NHS or bugger all.

Banks will have to move operations into the EU.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... b-official

We're obviously not in recession after 48 hours But no multi-national is going to invest big sums in the UK for the foreseeable future and many are looking for exit strategies.

So you are admitting that house prices are going to fall. Not sure how popular that will be with those relying on their houses for pensions, especially as any investments and/or pensions are being wiped out by the stock market fall.

As for the NHS.

I'm Kosovan-Albanian! That makes me not European, or better said not wanted European!
I guess , since I get paid in USD , and if I think the same way Europenas think "selfish"! It's good to me!
But no, I can't think that way, no matter what I make, and how I live, still been worried about all this mess!

Are there no English staff in the N.H.S.?!

Would it really matter if there weren't?

[Rugby Gooner]

Compare it to USD, since Euro is sinking together with pound!!!

Ah a European who is wiser than an Englishman. Pound fell to its lowest level against the dollar for 30 years. And this is very important as all our non EU trade is generally done in dollars. And of course all energy markets are $ denominated so petrol is set to rise about 2-3p per litre this week. Soon to be followed by gas and electricity prices. But not to worry all the "savings" are going to reduce the VAT, or NHS or bugger all.

Banks will have to move operations into the EU.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... b-official

We're obviously not in recession after 48 hours But no multi-national is going to invest big sums in the UK for the foreseeable future and many are looking for exit strategies.

So you are admitting that house prices are going to fall. Not sure how popular that will be with those relying on their houses for pensions, especially as any investments and/or pensions are being wiped out by the stock market fall.

As for the NHS.

I'm Kosovan-Albanian! That makes me not European, or better said not wanted European!
I guess , since I get paid in USD , and if I think the same way Europenas think "selfish"! It's good to me!
But no, I can't think that way, no matter what I make, and how I live, still been worried about all this mess!

Are there no English staff in the N.H.S.?!

Would it really matter if there weren't?

Actually probably not mate.I was just trying to make the point,(in a hopefully light hearted way), that a lot of people are seemingly of the view that England would be a great place if it weren't for all the English people in it.

[the playing mantis]

I normally post from "left wing" papers because they don't have a paywall. However this Torygraph article seems to be outside the paywall.

We do not control this process

Article 50 is designed so that it leaves any state that activates it is a supplicant.

The remaining EU states will negotiate between themselves and deal with the UK as one, just as they would for Albania or Turkey.

If a deal covering trade arrangements isn’t struck once the two-year period expires, Britain is simply released from the EU treaties and left on crippling WTO terms - something the Treasury terms a "severe shock scenario" and which it envisages would likely result in a cut in GDP of six per cent and increase unemployment by 800,000, not including the risks presented by emergency spending cuts, or the "tipping points" presented by the crystallisation of financial stability risks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... ke-greece/

the sun doesn't have a paywall...

[northbank123]

The EU institutions are panicking because they have no control over us serving this notice. The unelected EU Commission is being unsurprisingly hard-lined in its rhetoric but te heads of state who are accountable to their electorate will not benefit at all from a punitive approach. Already there has been significant pressure on Merkel from the German trade bodies to negotiate a swift and sensible agreement. The EU will certainly not give the UK an easy ride but it's also not going to cut off its nose to spite it's face for a multitude of reasons. Not last because there is a growing wave of Euroscepticism across Northern Europe and bully tactics will only have a negative effect.

Augie I don't think anyone would dispute that this referendum was won hugely in part thanks to concerns over immigration which are held by a vast majority of Leave voters and (based on my personal experience) many Remain voters. Sadly some people are on the vile moron end of the spectrum with these views. This referendum hasn't created these extreme views and it hasn't legitimised them.

[GranadaJoe]

I normally post from "left wing" papers because they don't have a paywall. However this Torygraph article seems to be outside the paywall.

We do not control this process

Article 50 is designed so that it leaves any state that activates it is a supplicant.

The remaining EU states will negotiate between themselves and deal with the UK as one, just as they would for Albania or Turkey.

If a deal covering trade arrangements isn’t struck once the two-year period expires, Britain is simply released from the EU treaties and left on crippling WTO terms - something the Treasury terms a "severe shock scenario" and which it envisages would likely result in a cut in GDP of six per cent and increase unemployment by 800,000, not including the risks presented by emergency spending cuts, or the "tipping points" presented by the crystallisation of financial stability risks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... ke-greece/

I'm reasonably confident that once the emotion has died down, common sense will break out.

A WTO arrangement would be awkward, but probably more for the EU than for UK.

At current rates the EU sells us 100 billion a year more than they buy from us. We are the biggest buyer of German cars.

There are elections in a lot of EU countries this year, including Germany.

I'm sure the drunk Junker and his fellow idealogical bureaucrats would love to 'punish' us, but hopefully the ordinary citizens of the EU will make their views known.