Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[augie]

Make no mistake here, el basque has one month to save his career at AFC and it comes down to this - either buy a TOP QUALITY STRIKER next month or he will have no future at the club imo. The whole "progress" nonsense only washes for so long, and can certainly be undermined if players like saliba and saka start to lose faith and look to leave - you can sell the progress concept for maybe two years but if in the third year your points tally starts dropping and you are overtaken by the victims (who spent zero money) and the chavs (who finished a massive 26 pts behind us last season ), then players and the fans will want to see evidence that you recognise why we are sliding AND are doing something to fix it. If he chooses not to buy a striker or buys a second rate striker (like mbueno) then he is walking a short plank with his sacking inevitable - I'm not suggesting that it will happen straight away, but he needs a big statement now imo

[IW8Goalmachine]

TH14 currently ripping our tactics to shreds on MNF.

He pretty much said what everyone knows already.

[General]

Make no mistake here, el basque has one month to save his career at AFC and it comes down to this - either buy a TOP QUALITY STRIKER next month or he will have no future at the club imo. The whole "progress" nonsense only washes for so long, and can certainly be undermined if players like saliba and saka start to lose faith and look to leave - you can sell the progress concept for maybe two years but if in the third year your points tally starts dropping and you are overtaken by the victims (who spent zero money) and the chavs (who finished a massive 26 pts behind us last season ), then players and the fans will want to see evidence that you recognise why we are sliding AND are doing something to fix it. If he chooses not to buy a striker or buys a second rate striker (like mbueno) then he is walking a short plank with his sacking inevitable - I'm not suggesting that it will happen straight away, but he needs a big statement now imo

El basque must be quivering at the thought of augie handing him his P45. You are going to be disappointed if you’re expecting serious transfer business in January.

[xgtdec]

Make no mistake here, el basque has one month to save his career at AFC and it comes down to this - either buy a TOP QUALITY STRIKER next month or he will have no future at the club imo. The whole "progress" nonsense only washes for so long, and can certainly be undermined if players like saliba and saka start to lose faith and look to leave - you can sell the progress concept for maybe two years but if in the third year your points tally starts dropping and you are overtaken by the victims (who spent zero money) and the chavs (who finished a massive 26 pts behind us last season ), then players and the fans will want to see evidence that you recognise why we are sliding AND are doing something to fix it. If he chooses not to buy a striker or buys a second rate striker (like mbueno) then he is walking a short plank with his sacking inevitable - I'm not suggesting that it will happen straight away, but he needs a big statement now imo

El basque must be quivering at the thought of augie handing him his P45. You are going to be disappointed if you’re expecting serious transfer business in January.

I'd have to agree there, if history teaches us anything its that doing what needs to be done in not in the clubs DNA.

The only transfer i want to see in January is legohead to a new club or the local dole office, Give an actual manager(thats actually managed before) the rest of the season to embed his policies and then back him in the summer window.

But that would be akin to sacking Wonga as soon as the downward spiral started......they simply dont have the stones for it!!!!

[BFG4]

Make no mistake here, el basque has one month to save his career at AFC and it comes down to this - either buy a TOP QUALITY STRIKER next month or he will have no future at the club imo. The whole "progress" nonsense only washes for so long, and can certainly be undermined if players like saliba and saka start to lose faith and look to leave - you can sell the progress concept for maybe two years but if in the third year your points tally starts dropping and you are overtaken by the victims (who spent zero money) and the chavs (who finished a massive 26 pts behind us last season ), then players and the fans will want to see evidence that you recognise why we are sliding AND are doing something to fix it. If he chooses not to buy a striker or buys a second rate striker (like mbueno) then he is walking a short plank with his sacking inevitable - I'm not suggesting that it will happen straight away, but he needs a big statement now imo

I'd love if you were right Augie but I tend to think the board are convinced he is a footballing genius and will Indulge him for a few more seasons yet before any questions are asked. Last season Arteta was allowed to stroke his ego with his Havertz pet project instead of someone at the club telling him that a striker is the priority. He still refused to get a striker in the summer(even when Nketiah was offloaded). He is being allowed to run things as he sees fit and will do so for a few more years yet

[Midz]

Arsenal won't buy anyone in January. They might take up a loan deal if they can find a suitable player. They also won't give back the c.unt Sterling who'll still be waddling around the car park looking for his knickers come May.

[TeeCee]

What pisses me off most is how defensive Arteta is. Last season we tore teams apart, particularly away from home, playing high speed attacking football. All of a sudden Arteta HAS gone all Mourinho on us and he is obsessed with the defence and defensive midfield!
I totally get playing a double pivot in tough away games, against City, Liverpool, Chelsea etc I see the point of playing Rice and Partey/Merino but at home to fucking Everton?? Two defensive midfielders? He's done it in pretty much every game this season I think, there is NO need for two defensive midfielders in every game. It is leaving us with four attacking players in our 11 - Saka, Ode and whoever is on the left, with Havertz (not a striker) up top. It's no wonder we struggle like fuck. When teams double up on Saka, that's our game pretty much done, we are so easy to stop.
Drop Merino/Partey/Jorginho for fucks sake and play another productive player in there. Stick Trossard in the middle or Nwaneri and lets have some attacking options, it's not rocket science.
For the last 2 years at least, Arteta has kept banging on about wanting to be unpredictable, have the opposition guessing what we might do, how we'll play. We are the MOST predictable team in the PL probably, maybe alongside Everton.....you know they will set up to deep block and rely on set pieces (rings a bell). We play the SAME way every game and rely on the same two players EVERY game. You don't have to be a coach to see what and where Arsenals problems are.
Sign some attacking players or fuck off because you are really looking like you don't have a clue!

PS. Latest transfer rumours have us looking at another defensive midfielder as a replacement for Partey (why was Merino signed)? and possibly another LB, to cover for the injury prone LB signed to replace our injury prone LB who came in to replace our injury prone LB!!
It's driving me fucking nuts!

[Retro Gunner]

Make no mistake here, el basque has one month to save his career at AFC and it comes down to this - either buy a TOP QUALITY STRIKER next month or he will have no future at the club imo. The whole "progress" nonsense only washes for so long, and can certainly be undermined if players like saliba and saka start to lose faith and look to leave - you can sell the progress concept for maybe two years but if in the third year your points tally starts dropping and you are overtaken by the victims (who spent zero money) and the chavs (who finished a massive 26 pts behind us last season ), then players and the fans will want to see evidence that you recognise why we are sliding AND are doing something to fix it. If he chooses not to buy a striker or buys a second rate striker (like mbueno) then he is walking a short plank with his sacking inevitable - I'm not suggesting that it will happen straight away, but he needs a big statement now imo

I'd love if you were right Augie but I tend to think the board are convinced he is a footballing genius and will Indulge him for a few more seasons yet before any questions are asked. Last season Arteta was allowed to stroke his ego with his Havertz pet project instead of someone at the club telling him that a striker is the priority. He still refused to get a striker in the summer(even when Nketiah was offloaded). He is being allowed to run things as he sees fit and will do so for a few more years yet

This is how I see it BFG. Dropping out of the CL places might (and only might) see him under threat, but other than that he's here for a minimum 2-3 years yet and possibly longer, regardless of trophies. I've been saying it for almost as long as he's been in the hot seat, he's Wenger Mkll.

People often say "Do you want us sacking managers all the time like Chelsea do?", as though that's some argument winner. The answer is yes, if it guaranteed the trophy haul they've had in the last 20 years, because it's worked a lot better than our lame, hamstrung method. Sure, I know the chavs have spent absolute fortunes, but with that they've also held their managers accountable...we buy who you want, but we expect results. Arteta has been given time, been financially backed by the club and indulged in following his "process", so let's see if he's held to account. I suspect we know the answer. No silverware this season should be "Thanks Mikel, but good day.", but it won't be.

[OneBardGooner]

Arsenal won't buy anyone in January. They might take up a loan deal if they can find a suitable player. They also won't give back the c.unt Sterling who'll still be waddling around the car park looking for the used knickers he borrowed off Mantis come May.

[augie]

Make no mistake here, el basque has one month to save his career at AFC and it comes down to this - either buy a TOP QUALITY STRIKER next month or he will have no future at the club imo. The whole "progress" nonsense only washes for so long, and can certainly be undermined if players like saliba and saka start to lose faith and look to leave - you can sell the progress concept for maybe two years but if in the third year your points tally starts dropping and you are overtaken by the victims (who spent zero money) and the chavs (who finished a massive 26 pts behind us last season ), then players and the fans will want to see evidence that you recognise why we are sliding AND are doing something to fix it. If he chooses not to buy a striker or buys a second rate striker (like mbueno) then he is walking a short plank with his sacking inevitable - I'm not suggesting that it will happen straight away, but he needs a big statement now imo

El basque must be quivering at the thought of augie handing him his P45. You are going to be disappointed if you’re expecting serious transfer business in January.

Read what I said again buddy - I'm not expecting el basque to get his p45 anytime soon, BUT failure to buy a quality striker will see him lose the support of a large section of the fanbase, and once he loses that backing he will be on a slow slippery road. Apathy will be his greatest enemy and that is only around the corner for him at the moment - we are gone from being in the hunt to win the league to now being in a battle for 4th, purely because of our own performances and mis-management, and that will land on his doorstep. People asked in latter wenger days what was worse than fan anger and the answer was fan apathy, cos it suggests a fanbase who have given up hope - if the cone boy loses the confidence of the fanbase no he wont have them screaming for his sacking because that is not how our fans react ( ), but empty seats and the like will lead to a slow death by a thousands cuts cos he will not get the fans back onside if he loses them

[BFG4]

https://youtu.be/iRLbcw3m_Fw?si=_csj3fKl4DDjXsRf

The 1 minute mark is just incredible, using the community shield to defend himself

[General]

https://youtu.be/iRLbcw3m_Fw?si=_csj3fKl4DDjXsRf

The 1 minute mark is just incredible, using the community shield to defend himself

The Community Shield is a trophy

[Retro Gunner]

https://youtu.be/iRLbcw3m_Fw?si=_csj3fKl4DDjXsRf

The 1 minute mark is just incredible, using the community shield to defend himself

How desperate is that....says it all.

[DB10GOONER]

https://youtu.be/iRLbcw3m_Fw?si=_csj3fKl4DDjXsRf

The 1 minute mark is just incredible, using the community shield to defend himself

How desperate is that....says it all.

Fuuuuck.... desperate indeed.

We would absolutely pile on if Fat Angie Hippopotamusadopolus used a community shield win as defence of himself. And rightly so. Fucking community shield. I have 5 a side medals with about as much credibility as that fucking thing.

[DB10GOONER]

https://youtu.be/iRLbcw3m_Fw?si=_csj3fKl4DDjXsRf

The 1 minute mark is just incredible, using the community shield to defend himself

The Community Shield is a trophy

No. No, it is not.