Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Gunner Rob]

Arteta is a clueless embarrassing moron.

I don’t get the comparison with Wenger though - Wenger at least used to have a number of strikers at the club (even if they included Sanogo and Chamakh )
Wenger at least won multiple cup competitions

Yes he outstayed his welcome but he was still twice the manager that Arteta will ever be.

[Limerick Gooner]

Arteta is going nowhere. So we need to hope he sees sense and signs some forwards.

[Nick Nack]

Arteta is a clueless embarrassing moron.

I don’t get the comparison with Wenger though - Wenger at least used to have a number of strikers at the club (even if they included Sanogo and Chamakh )
Wenger at least won multiple cup competitions

Yes he outstayed his welcome but he was still twice the manager that Arteta will ever be.

In the first couple of years the clueless one was clearly trying to imitate his old boss Pep, hence the Diet Pep moniker.

But he has morphed into the true lord and master - The Old Fraud Wenger.

The last few posts have all highlighted similarities, and I would add to the list the appalling in game management. It's fucking uncanny and not funny.

We've all been here before and it really wasn't pleasant and I don't think I have the fortitude to go through it again. The Kranky's need to up their game this summer as we can't go down the same path again only 5 years later

[IW8Goalmachine]

Arteta is going nowhere. So we need to hope he sees sense and signs some forwards.

A few more shit performances like that and he'll be gone

[Retro Gunner]

He has gone full blown wenger

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... astle.html

It's the fault of the ball that we couldnt score and has nothing to do with buying sub-standard/shite strikers

Here's an Arteta quote from that article:

'Unfortunately the two times he had the ball in the box and that’s what happens when you have real quality up front and they can make the difference, and they’re very clinical.’

Well Mikel, who'd have thought it eh? A top quality striker makes a huge difference and that difference is between winning games and losing them. Never mind, we've got Kai Havertz, but I've no doubt you think he's also "real quality".

Absolute prat of a manager.

[Gunner Rob]

Whatever the results from now on this season (spoiler alert- they are likely to be bad) I would still allow Arteta to stay until the end of the season.
Then get someone new in for start of next season.

I don’t think he can be allowed any more time.
It is becoming clearer by the day that Saka has effectively carried Arteta for his entire managerial career. Without Saka in the team he just doesn’t know what to do.

[Nick Nack]

I'm amazed that we haven't heard from the enlightened John Cross yet, telling us all how Diet Pep is the second coming of the messiah that we should all be grateful and to be careful of what we wish for.

[augie]

Whatever the results from now on this season (spoiler alert- they are likely to be bad) I would still allow Arteta to stay until the end of the season.
Then get someone new in for start of next season.

I don’t think he can be allowed any more time.
It is becoming clearer by the day that Saka has effectively carried Arteta for his entire managerial career. Without Saka in the team he just doesn’t know what to do.

Only way I would go along with that plan is if we were going to be approaching managers over the next few months with a view to them taking over the day afer the season ends - we both know that our club isnt smart enough to be ahead of the pack that way (ffs we still havent replaced edu ). I have no doubt that come the summer saka and saliba will be targeted by big clubs (as will a few others I suspect), so it is important that our top players see that we have a plan in place and are not just flying by the seat of our pants.

As many of you will know, I am a big nfl fan and in the nfl franchises frequently pick their next head coach based around the opposite skill set of the sacked head coach - if the head coach that was sacked was a defensive minded coach, then frequently (not all the time) the next head coach hired would be an offensive minded coach purely because the other system wasnt working. I think we are in a similar scenario ourselves now in that el basque has reneged on our attack for too long now and the next guy hired is gonna need to fix that straight away. Another likeness to the nfl is that if a franchise has a habit of hiring young coaches that havent worked out, then more and more they seem to be now trying to bring in experienced coaches and I think that is where we are at now - we went with a guy with zero managerial experience because he worked alongside a top manager (hell any one of us could have put out the cones for pep ), but when we have run into trouble he hasnt had the answers and need to be going with a proven winner with our next appointment imo. We need a manager who knows to adapt during games, and who isnt afraid of players with character who will challenge him and his team-mates

I'm getting ahead of myself now cos the cone boy could be here for a while yet, but he is not the manager that will lead us back into the winners enclosure - you would hope that wiggy and his son will have learnt from their mistakes in allowing wenger to remain when it was clear to see that he was finished, and you would hope that that if they want to be seen as big boys now, then they will have the cajones and bravery required to pull the trigger regardless of how tough a decision it is

[Sid33]

Hi all, not been on here for quite a while, had to create new account as forgot password and original email no longer in use.
Anyways hope everyone keeping well.
Not much has changed on here, the usual suspects still spouting the same old shite
On to Arsenal and Arteta, as ive read on here, I agree, we've peaked, missed two great opportunities and now were on the slide.
Arteta has done an excellent job of lifting us from where we where, but he just doesn't have what it takes to get us over the line, too many points dropped in the last 3 seasons against poor teams and it's already put paid to a challenge this season.
More worrying is the results, performances and bullshit excuses, all too reminiscent of Wengers last 8 years or so.
A domestic cup win would probably do more long term harm than good as we've seen in the past.
So he has to win the lge or clge otherwise his time should be up.
We should still thank him though for dragging us out of the footballing gutter.
Anyway I don't expect to be posting much and only created account as I was a little pissed sitting in front of the fire over christmas.
Happy new year to all of you, well nearly all of you

[SteveO 35]

All managers come to a crossroads point and I think this is the biggest couple of weeks he has faced as manager probably since the shit show of 2020/21

Since then we have been on an upward trajectory - 5th followed by top four and challenging for the title and getting back to the CL quarter finals. To be honest with the money invested that's the bare minimum level of expectation and I'd be saying the same whether it was Emery or any other manager who had been afforded the generosity of time and money that he has been given. Lopetegui has just been fired for having West Ham in the same position we were in at Christmas 2020/21 playing equally shit football

Its not inconceivable that come Sunday evening we are out of both domestic cups (honestly the Carabao is gone - forget any notion of a miracle turnaround) and if that is followed up by anything less than a win against Ange's disasterous Spuds, then I think the fanbase will quickly turn. Defeats against Man Ure and the Scum are never welcomed, let alone the worst versions of those clubs seen in many a year and within a handful of days of each other.

Despite Man Ure's showing at Anfield -their greatest rival - they have been truly embarrassing. I said at the start of the season they wouldn't finish top half, and they are where they deserve to be....13th having lost virtually half of their PL games. They've won 2 away games all season - once at Southampton and the other that unbelievable flukey last 2 minutes at City where they pressed the self destruct button. Ange's Spurs are a joke - they are playing kid midfielders at centre half so the next time someone cites our mythical injury crisis just take a look at the Spurs team that we will play that has their third choice keeper, Spence, Gray and Dragusin in their back line. Their first choice keeper out for months, both centre halves and left back. Both of these teams we've got coming up are awful - we won't play a worse Man U or Spurs team in the same season most likely in another 30 years, so anything less than comfortable wins is a failure. Defeat in either, or both, and his world is about to cave in

[falkirk goon]

I'm amazed that we haven't heard from the enlightened John Cross yet, telling us all how Diet Pep is the second coming of the messiah that we should all be grateful and to be careful of what we wish for.

Cross is a fannybulge he really is Some of the shite he spouts he has to be a closet Spud.

[xgtdec]

I'm amazed that we haven't heard from the enlightened John Cross yet, telling us all how Diet Pep is the second coming of the messiah that we should all be grateful and to be careful of what we wish for.

Cross is a fannybulge he really is Some of the shite he spouts he has to be a closet Spud.

A closet spud, it the one thing im dreading my son telling me one day.

[TeeCee]

Arteta's going nowhere having just signed a new contract, would cost us 20m to get rid and then another 10m for his coaches, Kroenke would rather fester in 4th place than pay that.

Playing devil's advocate, most clubs would love to be in our position......2nd in league, semi finals of cup, flying high in CL qualification..... It's not terrible, but the football is shit and that's down to Arteta changing a winning system. We have a bench full of LB's because he's obsessed with defence and thinks everyone will score do no need to sign attacking players!
It's hard to see things changing for the positive in the near future, but I am remaining really hopeful...... for a miracle, because we won't sign anyone this window.

[Retro Gunner]

Wasn’t sure where to put this post as it’s just a general observation.

I mentioned it a couple of games ago, but has anyone else noticed how our press is not as effective as it was a season ago and secondly, how we’ve become largely unable to pass our way through the opposition’s press. Raya having to revert to kicking long on many occasions last night and we lost the ball almost every time, because Havertz was the bloke going up for the challenge….or pretending to.

What’s changed?

[Sid33]

Wasn’t sure where to put this post as it’s just a general observation.

I mentioned it a couple of games ago, but has anyone else noticed how our press is not as effective as it was a season ago and secondly, how we’ve become largely unable to pass our way through the opposition’s press. Raya having to revert to kicking long on many occasions last night and we lost the ball almost every time, because Havertz was the bloke going up for the challenge….or pretending to.

What’s changed?

I think the players have lost belief and lost faith in Arteta, that along with the disappointment of the last two seasons, they already know there's no hope this season after a poor start.
I don't think they've turned on Arteta, but they just don't believe anymore.