Board Sells - Kroenke Takes Control Of Club!!

[MM99]

It makes me laugh when the Wenger apologists argue that we

a) don't pay our top players top money
b) don't pay the youngsters top money
c) don't pay our mediocre players top money

And yet we have an incredibly high wage bill? More or less twice what Sp*rs pay in fact!

Well I'm open to explanations of where our wage money is going if those three points above are truly what the AKB's believe? Someone is earning very good money at Arsenal and I believe it's mainly the young/mediocre players that get good money as the evidence of top players leaving for more money suggests we don't pay our top players very high wages.

I am not aligned to any of the camps but I have not seen the "wenger apologists" (as you put it) state b) and c) in your list.

I have, isn't mm doing it above???

Ok so ONE poster counts for the entire "group" as you put it, in that case surely the realists could be singled out individually with some far fetched or incredulous posts.

Poor phrasing on my part. I've seen plenty but mm was an immediate example.

Hate the way people feel the need to categorise people though. I don't want wenger out so I'll probably be called an abk but I support a lot of the "realists" views too.

Cant your views just be your views?

First of all, Arsenel 1991, you can fuck off. You're nothing more than a silly little boy that tries to lick arse ever since crossing over from .com to here. Banging on about how you used to be a Wenger lover but now have "seen the light" ever since you came here. Your feeble attempts at joining in and agreeing with the majority opinion are cringewrothy and portray you as some little puppy desperately clinging onto the tails of the older tougher dogs.

Secondly, where in my posts did i ever say that:
a) don't pay our top players top money
b) don't pay the youngsters top money
c) don't pay our mediocre players top money

All i did was ask for sources to the claims that JET was on 20k. I DID NOT say we don't pay our top players top money. Neither did i say that we don't pay our youngsters top money. And i most definitely DID NOT say that we don't pay out mediocre players top money.

As far as i know all i did was ask for sources to claims made on here about player wages. I did not put forward any view, positive or negative, nor did i give any indication as to what my beliefs are on the arsenal wage bill; so once again Arsenal1991, you can fuck off for misconstruing my words. Also applies to TeeCee for trying to dump me in with the AKB.

[Arsenal 1991]

Guilty as charged, I'm pathetic. What can I do to be as credible and cool as you?

[TeeCee]

Little boy MM99,
99 was obviously your year of birth, come back when you've grown up.

Best lock this thread mods as it's getting silly now with all the retards coming out.

[USMartin]

It makes me laugh when the Wenger apologists argue that we

a) don't pay our top players top money
b) don't pay the youngsters top money
c) don't pay our mediocre players top money

Who makes that argument? There is no one making the argument that everyone is on top wages who examine the what people are actually actually getting. I have said from the time I was here that we overpay our less experienced and less proven players and underpay our best players.

I have also cited the words of club officials confirming this incuing I van Gazidis and most specifically the following

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 12439.html

"Our wage bill is very similar to Manchester United and substantially above Liverpool's – it's substantially below Chelsea's but that's expected. We pay good salaries and pay them probably more evenly so we have less of the extremes. There is an ethos of a team effort." - Dan Fiszman

In fact I have cited this all the way back over the last year since when I first joined here. No I think some who defend the Board have - though credit to you TeeCee you are not among them - have argued the wole mis-leading argument Dan Fiszman was trying to make when he made that and other comments, which was that because our wage is high we pay our best players as much as otther top clubs.

But there is no one who has actually examined what we pay our players who has made the argument you suggest - period.

It's about as serious as the rest of your dishonest bullshit. But heyyou don't care about the real facts do you, just those 30 pieces of silver, so what should be expected right?

You can attack me and insult me all you want. It doesn't change the fact that you would sell out your club and fellow supporters to protect the Board and I think that explains a lot about your aggressive anger toward.

But the nature of your comments raise even more serious questions about you mate. But that's your problem too.

[JMascis666]

It makes me laugh when the Wenger apologists argue that we

a) don't pay our top players top money
b) don't pay the youngsters top money
c) don't pay our mediocre players top money

Who makes that argument? There is no one making the argument that everyone is on top wages who examine the what people are actually actually getting. I have said from the time I was here that we overpay our less experienced and less proven players and underpay our best players.

I have also cited the words of club officials confirming this incuing I van Gazidis and most specifically the following

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 12439.html

"Our wage bill is very similar to Manchester United and substantially above Liverpool's – it's substantially below Chelsea's but that's expected. We pay good salaries and pay them probably more evenly so we have less of the extremes. There is an ethos of a team effort." - Dan Fiszman

In fact I have cited this all the way back over the last year since when I first joined here. No I think some who defend the Board have - though credit to you TeeCee you are not among them - have argued the wole mis-leading argument Dan Fiszman was trying to make when he made that and other comments, which was that because our wage is high we pay our best players as much as otther top clubs.

But there is no one who has actually examined what we pay our players who has made the argument you suggest - period.

It's about as serious as the rest of your dishonest bullshit. But heyyou don't care about the real facts do you, just those 30 pieces of silver, so what should be expected right?

You can attack me and insult me all you want. It doesn't change the fact that you would sell out your club and fellow supporters to protect the Board and I think that explains a lot about your aggressive anger toward.

But the nature of your comments raise even more serious questions about you mate. But that's your problem too.

I disagree TeeCee is right and you are wrong.

[USMartin]

How so? Are you saying I haven't said that? Are you saying that Gooners with an actual undertsanding of our wage bill say our top players are paid top wages? Because if you read what I actually said I said he is right about overpaying underproven players and have said as much all the way back to first joining here. So I'm curious as what you disgaree with.

[Arsenal 1991]

I thought Teecee was a board stooge.

[MM99]

Little boy MM99,
99 was obviously your year of birth, come back when you've grown up.

Hahahah, hahahaha, hahahahha, oh my god, that is like so funny. Hahaha, what a great insult! Hahahahha, "is 99 your date of birth", hahahahah! Brilliant! How did you come up with such an insult!

Jeez, i wish i was as witty as you teecee!

(p.s. very convenient that you actually didn't refute the points i made in my post)

[Deise Gooner]

[TeeCee]

I've had my fill today of talking to retards MM. Maybe I'll give you some time tomorrow?

[USMartin]

I thought Teecee was a board stooge.

I think he is. That doesn't mean I disagree with every single thing he says or will pretend to when I do not. The fact is we overpay underproven underperforiming players.

He'd like to believe that is solely down to the manager and would change as soon as he was replaced. I do not. And he has yet to produce a single piece of evidence supporting that contention.

[TeeCee]

Where have I said that the youngsters wouldn't be paid so much if Wenger left Martin? I've never said anything of the sort? I said a new manager could take us forward and could quite possibly get more out of the current squad than Wenger can.
A new manager couldn't come in and change current contracts, he would have to wait until they expired or sell the players concerned if possible.
I think you are confusing me with someone else or are dreaming up the whole scenario so to help you, this is what I think:

A new manager could possibly do more with the current squad through use of tactics, better training methods, and better man management and motivation.

A new manager would, I believe, at least approach the board for funds to strengthen the team, which I think he would get, as the board have stated money is available. How much is an unknown, I would guess somewhere between £20-30m without selling players to raise more money.

A new manager would have something tom prove, would be more ambitious and would likely want to win trophies rather than just finish top 4. Complacency is a problem throughout the club imo.

I think that covers it really, so you see, I don't love the board, I don't think they are wonderful. I think that they are happy with Wenger as long as he gets CL football and fills the stadium. I think Wenger is happy to have a free hand to do what he wants with no risk to his position. The whole scenario stinks of complacency as I said.
For me, the main issue is with Wenger and his many faults which are now holding the club back. When a new manager is hired, inevitably he tends to receive support from the board for obvious reasons. I want Wenger out, if that happened and the new manager suddenly announced 6 months down the line that he had been lied to by the board and he had no money to spend, then I would happily hold my hands up and say I'm wrong and you are right about the board but I truly believe that the big issue is with the manager, NOT the board, but that's not to say there are not issues with the board!!

[Irish Gooner]

Little boy MM99,
99 was obviously your year of birth, come back when you've grown up.

Hahahah, hahahaha, hahahahha, oh my god, that is like so funny. Hahaha, what a great insult! Hahahahha, "is 99 your date of birth", hahahahah! Brilliant! How did you come up with such an insult!

Jeez, i wish i was as witty as you teecee!

(p.s. very convenient that you actually didn't refute the points i made in my post)

You haven't made any points worth responding too, which is why Teecee won't be bothered responding or anyone else.

It's just the same tired rhetoric, insults and vulgarity we can typically expect from you.

Anyone who disagrees with you is always wrong. You can't discuss things properly without being abusive, you don't know the meaning of a forum.

I believe a blog would suit you, Wenger knows hasn't been taken yet, off you go son.

[MM99]

Little boy MM99,
99 was obviously your year of birth, come back when you've grown up.

Hahahah, hahahaha, hahahahha, oh my god, that is like so funny. Hahaha, what a great insult! Hahahahha, "is 99 your date of birth", hahahahah! Brilliant! How did you come up with such an insult!

Jeez, i wish i was as witty as you teecee!

(p.s. very convenient that you actually didn't refute the points i made in my post)

You haven't made any points worth responding too, which is why Teecee won't be bothered responding or anyone else.

It's just the same tired rhetoric, insults and vulgarity we can typically expect from you.

Anyone who disagrees with you is always wrong. You can't discuss things properly without being abusive, you don't know the meaning of a forum.

I believe a blog would suit you, Wenger knows hasn't been taken yet, off you go son.

Says the *word censored* who calls other people peadophiles.... Bet your parents are very proud of their "little accident".

[USMartin]

I think you are going to have to show me where I said what you are saying I said TeeCee because I don't believe I have said that.

All I have said is there no evidence whatsoever that the manager would be given the support to make the financial changes needed to make the personnel changes needed, and you haven't found any in several months. None from a six-year period.

All you have done is make a bunch of statements that might have some foundation except that any foundation they would stand on is contingent on the club's financial policies, and no one can say with any certainty or proof that those policies did not originate from the Board Room, or that even putting that to the side that they would change under a new manager.

The bottom line is that no matter who is managing the football team as long as the financial policies remain as they are there will be little or no positive change in the makeup of the team and that negative change is more likely. Again - what proof do you have that such a positive change will automatically be made?

What could happen isn't good enough. Because what could happen is either that the policies are changed or that the policies remain in place.