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northbank123 wrote:Only Baba could reel off a long list of players that we pay too much and then wonder why we didn't match Liverpool's offer of paying Sahin's £115k/w wages as well as a loan fee with no set fee to buy at the end.
Sahin is the Bundesliga Player of the Year 2010/11.
That means that in a league with players of the level of Ribery, Robben, Schweinsteiger, Kagawa, Lewandowski, Schurrle, Goetze and Reus; he was voted the best player of the lot.
Hence the reason he as good enough to be signed by Real Madrid and Mourinho in the first place.
The other players I mentioned are hit and wouldn't get a game at Doncaster in the cases of Shitachi, Flapianski, Park, Gervinho (he'd be a sub), Chamakh, Denilson and Santos. Oh and Jenkinson too.
So the difference is: nothing wrong with paying top players big money, everythin wrong with paying shite big money.
How hard is that to understand?
So Wilshere not worth anywhere near £50k/w after one great season and then not playing the next but Sahin is worth more than double that (plus a transfer fee) despite one good season in a far inferior league and then barely playing the next? With the added killer that if he actually has a good season then undoubtedly he will be called back to Madrid or flogged for a typically inflated fee and wages to a Milan club.
I know you're wumming but come on, put a bit of effort in.
How idiotic are you? Inferior league? When did Wilshere ever have a full season pleasename it?
You obviously do not watch much Arsenal, or else you'd know Wilshere has NEVER completed a full season! It has never happened, so you pulled that from your rectum am afraid.
'Inferior' league? You sound like Wenger with that bullshit. Who says it is inferior? You? Why because papa Murdoch told you the 'EPL' is the bestest ever league in the world? Where you can pay £100 to go and watch Arsenal bore the pants off you in two goalless draws over 180 minutes, with about 4 shots on target throughout?
Oh dear, try harder...
Played 49 games in 2010/11 (including 35 in the league). Or are you now going to say that this doesn't constitute a full season to cover your stupidity?
And what makes the Bundesliga inferior? Aside from the huge disparity in UEFA coefficients and CL statistics you mean? I guess that would have to be the generally higher quality of players in the PL.
northbank123 wrote:Only Baba could reel off a long list of players that we pay too much and then wonder why we didn't match Liverpool's offer of paying Sahin's £115k/w wages as well as a loan fee with no set fee to buy at the end.
Sahin is the Bundesliga Player of the Year 2010/11.
That means that in a league with players of the level of Ribery, Robben, Schweinsteiger, Kagawa, Lewandowski, Schurrle, Goetze and Reus; he was voted the best player of the lot.
Hence the reason he as good enough to be signed by Real Madrid and Mourinho in the first place.
The other players I mentioned are hit and wouldn't get a game at Doncaster in the cases of Shitachi, Flapianski, Park, Gervinho (he'd be a sub), Chamakh, Denilson and Santos. Oh and Jenkinson too.
So the difference is: nothing wrong with paying top players big money, everythin wrong with paying shite big money.
How hard is that to understand?
So Wilshere not worth anywhere near £50k/w after one great season and then not playing the next but Sahin is worth more than double that (plus a transfer fee) despite one good season in a far inferior league and then barely playing the next? With the added killer that if he actually has a good season then undoubtedly he will be called back to Madrid or flogged for a typically inflated fee and wages to a Milan club.
I know you're wumming but come on, put a bit of effort in.
How idiotic are you? Inferior league? When did Wilshere ever have a full season pleasename it?
You obviously do not watch much Arsenal, or else you'd know Wilshere has NEVER completed a full season! It has never happened, so you pulled that from your rectum am afraid.
'Inferior' league? You sound like Wenger with that bullshit. Who says it is inferior? You? Why because papa Murdoch told you the 'EPL' is the bestest ever league in the world? Where you can pay £100 to go and watch Arsenal bore the pants off you in two goalless draws over 180 minutes, with about 4 shots on target throughout?
Oh dear, try harder...
Played 49 games in 2010/11 (including 35 in the league). Or are you now going to say that this doesn't constitute a full season to cover your stupidity?
And what makes the Bundesliga inferior? Aside from the huge disparity in UEFA coefficients and CL statistics you mean? I guess that would have to be the generally higher quality of players in the PL.
UEFA coefficients? The same UEFA coefficients that have had Arsenal as the 4th best club in Europe for years?
Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahaha
Wilshere played 35 league games in 2010/11? Really? Wow, how many starts?
Because I can tailor appearance stats too you know.
Do you know for instance, that Soslkjaer made over 32 league appearances in the league for ManYoo in their teble season? That makes him a full season regular - right?
Pffft away with you, not even going into this with you.
Oh and according to 'CL statistics', Borussia Dortmund and Porto are better clubs than Arsenal, as are PSV - or do you wanna backtrack now?
Have written tons on this on the other Theo thread.
I voted keep.
Unless we replace him then our wide men are Podolski and Oxlade-Chamberlain.
Not bad.
Santos and Gervinho as second options, with Rosicky "as and when".
I think that would leave us short as a squad.
As for the wages etc:
We do not know what figures are really being discussed.
You are worth what you agent can negotiate, not what a Forum thinks you are worth.
Club needs to pay off £21M per season to service the stadium bond debt.
Per season we would have raised about £7M profit on merchandise etc.
We have raised £30M profit on Queensland Road housing, but that is virtually the last of the residential development profits.
Our transfer profit so far, (all figures approximate) = £5M
Out
Vela - £4M
Van Persie - £24M
Song - £15M
Lansbury - £1M
Bartley - £1M
Almunia - Free
G. Hoyte - Free
In
Podolski - £11M
Giroud - £13M
Cazorla - £16M
So we do not need to sell Theo, but if you were boss and had the option to buy Dempsey/A.N. OTHER for a bit less than the price you sold Theo for, and on £25,000 per week less wages, you would probably do it.
I would say that means he played a full season yeah. If you think that 31 league starts and 4 substitute appearances, and 7 CL starts isn't a full season then I'm not really sure where to go from here.
By CL statistics I was more talking about how 8 of the last 16 finalists have been English and that Germany have nobody regularly in the last 16 of the CL other than Bayern, not that Dortmund won the CL 15 years ago or that Porto won it nearly a decade ago. Not that you need statistics to see that the Bundesliga is far inferior, just watching a few games is enough.
As far as I'm aware Liverpool don't have an agreed fee for Sahin, they have something like a first refusal which basically means that they still have to match whatever anybody else offers if indeed Madrid do want to sell. Besides, if he actually does well there he's not gonna want to join them full-time.
Gunnersaurus wrote:Baba, pretty sure wilshere started all of those games that season, maybe one or two as sub but don't remember too many.
He featured in quite a lot of them mascot, but he didn't start as many as you think. Remember how we were all desperate for him to start but he was often a sub? Could be wrong here but am going to see how many he started...
Cockerill's chin wrote:
The way contract negotiations are conducted at Arsenal is negligent. Both players and commercial.
Players contracts should be renegotiated two years before they expire.
If no new deal is signed, it gives us time to sort out a replacement plus retains a good value on the player.
Worse comes to worse the player stays for the penultimate year of the deal if we fail to find a replacement.
When you consider that Gazidis trumpeted re-signing existing players as Arsenal's preferred "alternative" transfer market it makes the negligence even more surprising.
Cockerill's chin wrote:When you consider that Gazidis trumpeted re-signing existing players as Arsenal's preferred "alternative" transfer market it makes the negligence even more surprising.
This seems to be the major problem with the clubs approach to re-signing our players. These players are under contract at Arsenal but the club seem to treat players who are getting towards the end of their contracts like they are up for grabs and available to the highest bidder. It shouldn't be viewed as an 'alternative transfer market' these are our players
No, we've waited and waited and all we get are occasional good games in between long periods of injury and mediocrity. The media adore him but most of them shouldn't be allowed out unsupervised.
