SUMMER TRANSFERS - Your thoughts on who did and did not sign

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http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... ene-wenger

Arsène Wenger says Arsenal must accept they do not have control over their push to make Real Madrid's Karim Benzema their big-name attacking signing, as it is reliant on the Spanish club being successful in their attempts to sign Liverpool's Luis Suárez.

Arsenal have already missed out on Suárez this summer after they were told about a supposed release clause in his contract and they tested it with a bid. Yet the clause was not binding and the £40,000,001 offer was rejected by Liverpool, leaving the advice that Wenger was given open to considerable question.

"I don't want to speak in detail about that," Wenger said. "It's not the moment. One day, why not? I've just said it's over. We have to get on with our lives. You seem to know as much as I know about the situation so I don't think we need for me to clarify that. You've certainly tried to go out with a girl and find she has chosen someone else. You don't commit suicide."



What. The. Fuck. :shock: :roll: :?

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QuartzGooner wrote:I find this Podolski story bizarre.

He slacked off in the new year, supposedly because of an ankle injury, and was a favourite of Wenger to substitute after 70 minutes, but had a respectable season.

If we are to sell him for a profit because a replacement is arriving them I can see the business sense, but a loan deal?

I think that would be second oddest thing that we have done under Wenger after buying Park.

Maybe it was agreed in his transfer that Arsenal would pay Cologne £5,000 every time he completed 90 mins, or something silly like that. That's why he was substituted 25 times in league matches. It just reeks of Arshavin's treatment, maybe Podolski is a German Spy????

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I cringe every time Professor Crackpot opens his mouth. The man is an absolute joke. :oops:

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"I can guarantee you every player who wants to join us, the first question is, "Do you play in the Champions League or not?” It is as simple as that... The top players say, "OK, we want to join Arsenal. We want to play the kind of football you play. But, as well, we want to play in the Champions League”. It’s unfortunately like that."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... enger.html

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[quote="1989"]http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... ene-wenger

Arsène Wenger says Arsenal must accept they do not have control over their push to make Real Madrid's Karim Benzema their big-name attacking signing, as it is reliant on the Spanish club being successful in their attempts to sign Liverpool's Luis Suárez.

Arsenal have already missed out on Suárez this summer after they were told about a supposed release clause in his contract and they tested it with a bid. Yet the clause was not binding and the £40,000,001 offer was rejected by Liverpool, leaving the advice that Wenger was given open to considerable question.

"I don't want to speak in detail about that," Wenger said. "It's not the moment. One day, why not? I've just said it's over. We have to get on with our lives. You seem to know as much as I know about the situation so I don't think we need for me to clarify that. You've certainly tried to go out with a girl and find she has chosen someone else. You don't commit suicide."


Let me get this straight..

1) We must be the first ever club to offer £40m for a player and get ridiculed by his club
2) Our solution to this is to offer £40m for another player whose availability is dependent on that same club
3) Neither player in fact wants to come to us because they both prefer to be at Madrid



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GranadaJoe wrote:If AW wasn't so timid we could be sat here 48 mil lighter but with Higuain, Gustavo and Cesar with 20+ to invest in a DC and/or FB. Most of us would be happy, the squad would be upbeat and there'd be little pressure on AW.

Instead we've 70+ in the bank and everybody is pissed off.

Your last comment 'everybody is pissed off' makes me wonder about our whole transfer strategy;

Every time we show an interest in a player this is conveniently leaked to the media and the fact that we always offer at least 40% less than the value of the player is also publicized, making us look quite frankly ridiculous. . This may well be what annoyed Alan DePardew the most, not the fact that an approach was made but that it was fed to Sky and that the figure was laughable. I've felt the same frustration as everybody else over our (non-)dealings this summer but it was the Cabaye debacle that finally made me explode with anger. AW announces after the AV game that Arteta & AOC have long term injuries & we'll need to bring a midfielder in. He then swings into (non-)action by making a ludicrously low offer for Newcastle's best player, not only that but 4 days later we haven't followed up with a higher bid. We've alerted other clubs to our interest and now we're sitting back (WHY?). Apparently this is called 'moneyball', in my day it was known as 'balls up'.

I've read recently that we are beholden to experts in the US who are planning our (non-)strategy(?!). I can only interpret this that we as a club will not lose any money if we don't actually spend any money. This whole system seems to be based on us unsettling players by announcing our interest in public, underbidding for them and then hoping that miraculously we'll end up with the player and based on what evidence exactly? We were told that we needed to move to a new stadium 'to compete' but we then lose out on Schwarzer, a veteran player nobody else wanted to buy because of an alleged discrepancy of a mere £400k in our valuation. Surely that extra £400k is the premium you pay for being a rich club. We were ready to offer the guy a 4yr contract for playing and coaching but after totally unsettling him we walked away and we're still looking for a stable keeper 4yrs on. If AW not only thought that signing him would lead to us acquiring more points but also that he was coaching material then that was a miniscule amount of money to scupper the deal.

Cahill..with a year left on his contract and Bolton valuing him at £17m, we sent Dick Law up the motorway to allegedly offer £7m. Bolton took the unusual (although not so unusual anymore) step of publicly denouncing our (non-)bid and he was later sold to Chelsea for £13 with 6months left on his contract. To those people who ridicule Law and believe that Dein is our would-be saviour, do you think that if Dein had been told to pull off this deal for £7m that he would have been able to? We've similarly unsettled and irritated the respective clubs of Samba and Jagielka (i'm sure there are others that i can't presently recall) to what end? To annoy those clubs and damage our relationships with them.

What must clubs think when they hear that we are interested in one of their players? They know that we are unlikely to do a deal but that their players head will be turned. We take every opportunity to boast in public about our financial success and then offer Lidl prices for players. Quite how we justify this during our negotiations i'd really love to know.

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shu wrote: As for Goalies didnt chesney get dropped last season from a champs league game as wenger said he was not mentally strong enough. ???? It has been said by a lot but a better keeper is needed

In the vain hope that anybody with any influence at AFC reads these posts, i'm imploring you to sign this player above all others:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G12RhU2A-8

Yes, he's probably earning a ridiculous salary and an additional fortune in signing-on fees but he's Shiltonesque in terms of his body shape and agility. The sheer range of saves on that clip is astonishing..the number of one-on-ones he tips wide, his agility to get up to top corner efforts and down to low grass cutters. How he reacts to awkward swerving shots and to do it all with a Seaman-like smile on his face. He's 33yrs old, he's got all the international and top club experience in the world and he could probably play at the top level till 40. Imagine how much confidence he'd inspire in our defence. Oh and by the way, while Dick is scouring Spain and offering Argos vouchers for keepers i've never heard of, this fella resides a short hop away from the Central Line. Hail Cesar

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You only buy big name, quality players if you have ambition. Wanger, and Kranky have none, other than making a large profit on player deals each season. It's a vicious circle, because this non-investment will lead to us being knocked out of the CL places, probably this season, and then they will say they need to sell Cazorla/Jack because of the lack of CL money. It's a downward spiral we have been on and there just isn't the desire, particularly in Wanger, to do anything about it.
King of the Ditherers....Ditherer the Dictator........Wanger will be the death of Arsenal FC and consign us to being another 'Everton' type club, no disrespect meant to Everton but they are clearly not going to challenge for anything other than 6th place season after season and that is exactly what Arsenal are heading for - which incidentally is when Wanger will walk away leaving us with a dozen mediocre players on huge wages. It's no wonder old Arsenal players want to return to the socialist structure of fantastic wages for average players at Arsenal FC. :roll:

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brucegrove wrote:Cahill..with a year left on his contract and Bolton valuing him at £17m, we sent Dick Law up the motorway to allegedly offer £7m. Bolton took the unusual (although not so unusual anymore) step of publicly denouncing our (non-)bid and he was later sold to Chelsea for £13 with 6months left on his contract. To those people who ridicule Law and believe that Dein is our would-be saviour, do you think that if Dein had been told to pull off this deal for £7m that he would have been able to? We've similarly unsettled and irritated the respective clubs of Samba and Jagielka (i'm sure there are others that i can't presently recall) to what end? To annoy those clubs and damage our relationships with them.
According to BBC and the Guardian, he moved for £7m.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16438701
http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... ary-cahill

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Red Gunner wrote:
brucegrove wrote:Cahill..with a year left on his contract and Bolton valuing him at £17m, we sent Dick Law up the motorway to allegedly offer £7m. Bolton took the unusual (although not so unusual anymore) step of publicly denouncing our (non-)bid and he was later sold to Chelsea for £13 with 6months left on his contract. To those people who ridicule Law and believe that Dein is our would-be saviour, do you think that if Dein had been told to pull off this deal for £7m that he would have been able to? We've similarly unsettled and irritated the respective clubs of Samba and Jagielka (i'm sure there are others that i can't presently recall) to what end? To annoy those clubs and damage our relationships with them.
According to BBC and the Guardian, he moved for £7m.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16438701
http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... ary-cahill
Thanks, i stand corrected on that. However that was £7m with 6mths left on his contract not 12 when i believe we offered that amount. As i recall, when Bolton publicly ridiculed our bid AW simply announced that our interest was over, maybe if we'd negotiated we might have reached a compromise of £11-14m (for a damn good player) but i think that was never on the cards and by that time we'd needlessly riled Bolton and lost any possible goodwill. Similarly, didn't we make a £7m bid for Samba who was valued (and indeed later sold) at £12m. My exasperation stems from the sheer pointlessness of offering car boot prices when our whole stadium move was about us being able 'to compete'. In the case of Cahill, Samba, Schwarzer we're talking about signing decent (but perhaps not top class) players from provincial clubs who presumably need money and wouldn't be averse to trading if they receive sensible offers. Cahill helped Chelsea to two cup finals just months after joining, presumably Schwarzer would've been more reliable than our current pair.

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DB10GOONER wrote:
g88ner wrote:
spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:
1989 wrote:So you'd have said no to Drogba in his pomp?
Drogba and Yaya Toure aren't typical though (not to mention we cannot buy them). Most are just average mediocre players who excel in speed and strength.
Agreed, an African player would have to be significantly better than a player from elsewhere for them to be a sensible signing, as they miss too many games.

The Gervinho signings was totally nuts. Not only was he very very average, but he was missing for 2 months every winter! :?
In fairness him missing for 2 months was a fucking bonus! :lol: :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol: feckin' true!

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StanKroenke'sWig wrote:
rodders999 wrote:Stories of Podolski to Shalke on a season long loan doing the rounds now. Fucking hell.
Surely with AOC injured it's his chance to step up?

Just an aside...Looking at your piccy of Silent Stan you would think with all his dosh he could afford a wig that didn't look like a wig....Maybe that's how he is all that dosh and unwilling to part with it... :roll: ...he still looks like a right tw*t

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spendsum4uckingmoney wrote:The Pod rumour makes me want to cry. Yes I know he didn't take the prem by storm but a FUCKING LOAN! When will AW fucking realize that if you keep loaning your players NO CLUB WILL FUCKING BUY THEM. Is it any wonder why we get ripped off when selling players? Absolute farce.

I have come to the conclusion that Wenger only plays Pods (who I think is a far better finisher than giroud) for 10 - 20 mins every game because there is a clause in his contract similar to the one we have with the saints on the Ox - we have to pay £10k for every 10 minutes he plays...IF that is the case then Wenger or whomever agreed to that kind of clause in his contract needs a red hot poker up the jacksy...because it firstly restricts how often he will be played - especially by a skinflint manager like wenger also wenger has been playing him out of position....yet again utter mis-management of the team.

I so wanted Wenger to disprove my growing doubts and and distrust about him, but as every day goes by and more an dmore snippets of what has been going on escape the e*****es conclave the more I begin to no longer feel any sympathy for someone who is long past their sell by date yet refuses to see the writing on the wall. :cry: :banghead:

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brucegrove wrote:
shu wrote: As for Goalies didnt chesney get dropped last season from a champs league game as wenger said he was not mentally strong enough. ???? It has been said by a lot but a better keeper is needed

In the vain hope that anybody with any influence at AFC reads these posts, i'm imploring you to sign this player above all others:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G12RhU2A-8

Hail Cesar

he makes the gobby pole look like Flappy.

How wenger won't sign him when he (and the world) KNOW he is for sale I just cannot comprehend, it just defies belief. :? :banghead:

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on beebs footie website this morning:

1. Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger accepts his hopes of bringing in Real Madrid's France forward Karim Benzema, 25, depend on the Spanish side signing Uruguay striker Luis Suarez, 26, from Liverpool.

Full story: The Guardian

2. Arsenal are set to move for Espanyol's Spanish goalkeeper Kiko Casilla, 26.

Full story: Daily Express


3. But Gunners boss Wenger is once again scouting Palermo goalkeeper Emiliano Viviano, 27, after being told that Espanyol will not let Casilla leave.

Full story: Daily Mail


You really couldn't make this kind of shyte up unless you were writing the scrpt for a hollywood movie...

It is just all smoke and mirrors...we'll maybe sign flamoney and that'll be it...

reap the whirlwind wenger REAP THE FECKIN' WHIRLWIND... :twisted: :banghead:

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