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armchair supporter wrote:Every time I think of Wengers +£1 insulting, devious, small-time and ever-so-clever (not) bid for Suarez it makes my blood boil.
Suarez's reaction after that bid proves that hed have come to us. If Wenger had offered a proper bid we have one of the best strikers in the world playing for us right now. Love or loathe him (and I cant stand him) hes fuckin brilliant!
After being totally insulted by Wengers piss-take there was absolutely no way Liverpool would let him come to us even if they wanted to.
I agree that if we wanted him - and we should have - we needed to bid more.
But this whole £1 thing has been overblown. Clearly we were informed it would trigger a clause in his contract, and it didn't. We didn't do it to take the piss, they wouldn't have sold for £40m anyway.
armchair supporter wrote:Every time I think of Wengers +£1 insulting, devious, small-time and ever-so-clever (not) bid for Suarez it makes my blood boil.
Suarez's reaction after that bid proves that hed have come to us. If Wenger had offered a proper bid we have one of the best strikers in the world playing for us right now. Love or loathe him (and I cant stand him) hes fuckin brilliant!
After being totally insulted by Wengers piss-take there was absolutely no way Liverpool would let him come to us even if they wanted to.
I agree that if we wanted him - and we should have - we needed to bid more.
But this whole £1 thing has been overblown. Clearly we were informed it would trigger a clause in his contract, and it didn't. We didn't do it to take the piss, they wouldn't have sold for £40m anyway.
Yes I believe youre right that the +£1 bid was not intended to insult but rather to trigger the release clause.
But I believe it was an insulting bid(intentional or not) and did insult the Liverpool owners.
After that stupid bid there was no way theyd sell him to us even if we had of upped our offer to a more realistic bid at the time late 40's - 50 million...
To me its just another example of Wengers penny-pinching getting in the way of Arsenal success. Furthermore I honestly believe that after this debacle and the Higuain and Rooney failures Ozil was signed above Wengers head as the marquee signing the board wanted.
It would explain how we signed another small skilfull attacking midfielder when what we desperately needed was a striker
armchair supporter wrote:Every time I think of Wengers +£1 insulting, devious, small-time and ever-so-clever (not) bid for Suarez it makes my blood boil.
Suarez's reaction after that bid proves that hed have come to us. If Wenger had offered a proper bid we have one of the best strikers in the world playing for us right now. Love or loathe him (and I cant stand him) hes fuckin brilliant!
After being totally insulted by Wengers piss-take there was absolutely no way Liverpool would let him come to us even if they wanted to.
I agree that if we wanted him - and we should have - we needed to bid more.
But this whole £1 thing has been overblown. Clearly we were informed it would trigger a clause in his contract, and it didn't. We didn't do it to take the piss, they wouldn't have sold for £40m anyway.
Yes I believe youre right that the +£1 bid was not intended to insult but rather to trigger the release clause.
But I believe it was an insulting bid(intentional or not) and did insult the Liverpool owners.
After that stupid bid there was no way theyd sell him to us even if we had of upped our offer to a more realistic bid at the time late 40's - 50 million...
To me its just another example of Wengers penny-pinching getting in the way of Arsenal success. Furthermore I honestly believe that after this debacle and the Higuain and Rooney failures Ozil was signed above Wengers head as the marquee signing the board wanted.
It would explain how we signed another small skilfull attacking midfielder when what we desperately needed was a striker
I don't entirely disagree. But whilst it definitely backfired on us in the end (especially when we wouldn't come back with a renewed bid) if we genuinely believed that bidding the extra pound was going to trigger a release clause I think we made the right decision at the time.
armchair supporter wrote:Every time I think of Wengers +£1 insulting, devious, small-time and ever-so-clever (not) bid for Suarez it makes my blood boil.
Suarez's reaction after that bid proves that hed have come to us. If Wenger had offered a proper bid we have one of the best strikers in the world playing for us right now. Love or loathe him (and I cant stand him) hes fuckin brilliant!
After being totally insulted by Wengers piss-take there was absolutely no way Liverpool would let him come to us even if they wanted to.
I agree that if we wanted him - and we should have - we needed to bid more.
But this whole £1 thing has been overblown. Clearly we were informed it would trigger a clause in his contract, and it didn't. We didn't do it to take the piss, they wouldn't have sold for £40m anyway.
Yes I believe youre right that the +£1 bid was not intended to insult but rather to trigger the release clause.
But I believe it was an insulting bid(intentional or not) and did insult the Liverpool owners.
After that stupid bid there was no way theyd sell him to us even if we had of upped our offer to a more realistic bid at the time late 40's - 50 million...
To me its just another example of Wengers penny-pinching getting in the way of Arsenal success. Furthermore I honestly believe that after this debacle and the Higuain and Rooney failures Ozil was signed above Wengers head as the marquee signing the board wanted.
It would explain how we signed another small skilfull attacking midfielder when what we desperately needed was a striker
If that's your opinion then why didn't the board go over Wenger's head for Suarez?
You conveniently pick and choose what to blame the manager for so that absolutely no credit is given for actually signing Ozil.
Its no so much the £40m + £1 bid itself that angered me because the club were obviously misinformed on that one (probably by the player's agent himself). Its the fact that we didn't have the balls (Barca style) to continue upping the bid and putting some serious pressure on them to sell.
Lets be honest if we'd signed him for £55m -£60m and he was displaying the sort of form he is now then nobody would have batted an eyelid. We also hoped that our miserly bidding would still see the player leave and only at the eleventh hour when it was clear all was lost we went cap in hand to Chavski asking for Ba on loan......something that was altogether more embarrassing than the Suarez bid. Please Mr Mourinho, can you throw us some crumbs from the table - pathetic and desperate from a clueless goon that had 3 months to sign a striker
armchair supporter wrote:Every time I think of Wengers +£1 insulting, devious, small-time and ever-so-clever (not) bid for Suarez it makes my blood boil.
Suarez's reaction after that bid proves that hed have come to us. If Wenger had offered a proper bid we have one of the best strikers in the world playing for us right now. Love or loathe him (and I cant stand him) hes fuckin brilliant!
After being totally insulted by Wengers piss-take there was absolutely no way Liverpool would let him come to us even if they wanted to.
I agree that if we wanted him - and we should have - we needed to bid more.
But this whole £1 thing has been overblown. Clearly we were informed it would trigger a clause in his contract, and it didn't. We didn't do it to take the piss, they wouldn't have sold for £40m anyway.
Yes I believe youre right that the +£1 bid was not intended to insult but rather to trigger the release clause.
But I believe it was an insulting bid(intentional or not) and did insult the Liverpool owners.
After that stupid bid there was no way theyd sell him to us even if we had of upped our offer to a more realistic bid at the time late 40's - 50 million...
To me its just another example of Wengers penny-pinching getting in the way of Arsenal success. Furthermore I honestly believe that after this debacle and the Higuain and Rooney failures Ozil was signed above Wengers head as the marquee signing the board wanted.
It would explain how we signed another small skilfull attacking midfielder when what we desperately needed was a striker
If that's your opinion then why didn't the board go over Wenger's head for Suarez?
You conveniently pick and choose what to blame the manager for so that absolutely no credit is given for actually signing Ozil.
The Suarez bollox was the last straw after Wenger failed to sign Rooney, Higuain or any marquee players that the board needed to appease the fans, media. They simply took it out of his dithering hands as time was running out.
It was a position we didn't need strengthening and an amount of money Wenge would baulk at spending. Ozil I firmly believe was not a Wenger signing.
Whether it was the board or not is irrelevant - we spent £42m on a player in a position where it was least required.....so whether that was Kroenke, Gazidis or Wenger, it was a last desperate attempt to appease the fans and to a degree it worked.
However, as certain posters on here and Piers Morgan show, opinions can quickly turn and if Giroud gets injured in February and we are left playing someone ill equipped to play as the lone striker for all those crucial games (Postman, Lardy Lurpak, or an out of position Wally/Podolski) then everyone will hopefully realise that beyond all doubt there has been no shift in spending habits or the beginning of some sort of revolution.
The enhanced commercial deals line one man's pockets. We'll not see any tangible benefit from it as fans
armchair supporter wrote:If the board allows Wenger to control our January transfer window we will sign no-one, rather use Walcott or Poldi as striking options.
The old "internal solutions" approach that has served us so well.........
My old favourite about the "two markets - one internal and one external" will be on the January bingo card
SteveO 35 wrote:Whether it was the board or not is irrelevant - we spent £42m on a player in a position where it was least required.....so whether that was Kroenke, Gazidis or Wenger, it was a last desperate attempt to appease the fans and to a degree it worked.
However, as certain posters on here and Piers Morgan show, opinions can quickly turn and if Giroud gets injured in February and we are left playing someone ill equipped to play as the lone striker for all those crucial games (Postman, Lardy Lurpak, or an out of position Wally/Podolski) then everyone will hopefully realise that beyond all doubt there has been no shift in spending habits or the beginning of some sort of revolution.
The enhanced commercial deals line one man's pockets. We'll not see any tangible benefit from it as fans
Thats another reason to believe Wenger didnt sign Ozil.
When has he ever given a fiddlers what the fans think or tried to appease them?
I have no knowledge if Ozil was or wasn't a Wenker singing but if he was signed above his head then surely the highly principled man who has previously stated that he wouldn't work at a club with a president who interfered and that if he wasn't "in charge" and allowed to rule supreme then he wouldn't be there (think Real Madrid was the club alluded to) would simply walk away and leave his £8m per year salary.
So no Bar - B - Q SteveO , sorry, I know how much you have been looking forward to it.
StuartL wrote:I have no knowledge if Ozil was or wasn't a Wenker singing but if he was signed above his head then surely the highly principled man who has previously stated that he wouldn't work at a club with a president who interfered and that if he wasn't "in charge" and allowed to rule supreme then he wouldn't be there (think Real Madrid was the club alluded to) would simply walk away and leave his £8m per year salary.
So no Bar - B - Q SteveO , sorry, I know how much you have been looking forward to it.
January has always been the month of the new There's Only One contract.....be patient and the sausages will be sizzling
Roma are set to beat Arsenal to the signing of Barcelona's 17-year-old Paraguayan striker Antonio Sanabria.
Full story: Daily Mirror
There's absolutely no fucking way that Pedro is coming
Pedro has spent his entire career at Barcelona.
Arsenal and Liverpool are both interested in Barcelona winger Pedro, who could consider his options at the end of the season. The Spain international, 26, has scored 10 La Liga goals this season, including a hat-trick in the 5-2 win at Getafe.
Full story: Daily Express
And 1989 - stop making this so easy for me
DIEGO COSTA IS NEVER FUCKING COMING IN A MONTH OF SUNDAYS
armchair supporter wrote:Every time I think of Wengers +£1 insulting, devious, small-time and ever-so-clever (not) bid for Suarez it makes my blood boil.
Suarez's reaction after that bid proves that hed have come to us. If Wenger had offered a proper bid we have one of the best strikers in the world playing for us right now. Love or loathe him (and I cant stand him) hes fuckin brilliant!
After being totally insulted by Wengers piss-take there was absolutely no way Liverpool would let him come to us even if they wanted to.
I agree that if we wanted him - and we should have - we needed to bid more.
But this whole £1 thing has been overblown. Clearly we were informed it would trigger a clause in his contract, and it didn't. We didn't do it to take the piss, they wouldn't have sold for £40m anyway.
Yes I believe youre right that the +£1 bid was not intended to insult but rather to trigger the release clause.
But I believe it was an insulting bid(intentional or not) and did insult the Liverpool owners.
After that stupid bid there was no way theyd sell him to us even if we had of upped our offer to a more realistic bid at the time late 40's - 50 million...
To me its just another example of Wengers penny-pinching getting in the way of Arsenal success. Furthermore I honestly believe that after this debacle and the Higuain and Rooney failures Ozil was signed above Wengers head as the marquee signing the board wanted.
It would explain how we signed another small skilfull attacking midfielder when what we desperately needed was a striker
If that's your opinion then why didn't the board go over Wenger's head for Suarez?
You conveniently pick and choose what to blame the manager for so that absolutely no credit is given for actually signing Ozil.
The Suarez bollox was the last straw after Wenger failed to sign Rooney, Higuain or any marquee players that the board needed to appease the fans, media. They simply took it out of his dithering hands as time was running out.
It was a position we didn't need strengthening and an amount of money Wenge would baulk at spending. Ozil I firmly believe was not a Wenger signing.
Sorry mate but Rooney??? To most people it was nothing but paper talk - certainly nothing more than that.
Wenger himself said that conversations had been had with Madrid about Ozil earlier in the summer but nothing could have been done sooner as Ancelotti was about to take over.
I just can't understand why you think Wenger would be happy to spend £40M on Suarez but not £42M on Ozil. I've said it before but If Wenger is so stubborn why on earth would he allow the club to undermine him? That's probably one of the last things that would be likely to happen - especially given how much control people on here think he has.
