WENGER COLLECT YOUR P45 AT THE DOOR

[proudtosaythatname]

Agree too - at the risk of repeating what others have said lots of times: I think we're stuck in limbo where the best players leave because we don't win anything and the replacements are of necessity too inexperienced. Stems from the financial situation because we don't have the money to pay off our debts. We've sacrificed silverware for the new stadium and the longer term. We fans are the ones suffering now but I think we're stuck in it, like quicksand. If the club overspends on a few big names for a 'quick fix' and if it fails, suddenly we're Leeds United, Luton - and how would that feel?

Let's at least get positive about the Champions League. We can beat ManUre with the right team and approach but how can we get the message through to Wenger. Does he ever read our website and, if not, what should we do next?

[barnetgooner]

I am just totally gutted...almost want to walk back to Bhm

Why Diaby? He was injured and not played for few games
Why not Arshavin? He should be fresh for this game
Why Denilson? He is shit shit shit!!! Lost possession all the time!!
Why not Song? He is brilliant recently!!

so did you honestly not think song was "shit shit shit" until about a week ago?

[JakeN13]

Wenger is far from perfect and frustrating in more ways than one but still, there's no one better for Arsenal football club. I do think he should pay the money out of his own pocket to release Silvestre from his contract and send a personol apology to every Gooner around the world for giving the manc a two year contract though!

I think yesterday proved that Gus Hiddink (for instance) would be better manager for AFC. He wants to win trophies!

I'm sorry for saying this, bt AW is a coward. I simply cannot and wont forgive him for not playing Arshavin from the start.

I'm sure Hiddink could win us trophies, Looking at what Sven Göran Eriksson's done at club level in Sweden, Portugal, Italy and England I'm sure he could as well but AW's started to build something that potentially could be a very very good team that wins us trophies and still will give us a very big advantage for years and years ahead because he's hardly spent any money on it. While other clubs one by one will eventually get big money problems we will be safe.
On top of that he loves the club. He will stick with us no matter who comes knocking on the door, managers like Hiddink and Eriksson goes where they are offered the most money and won't really care what happens with the club after that.

Anyway, the game yesterday is frustrating like fcuk but a good performance and result on tue, against ManU're or even Boro it all it takes and we will be prasing AW again, it's always the same and that's what's great about this game!

Mate, hardly anyone belives that sh*t anymore. I definitely don't. Do you think other clubs will stand still while we wait for our group of 'potentialy great players to develop'?

Same old story. It was 3 or 4 years ago when AW said when this group of players win one trophy, they'll win loads in years to come. Problem is they still haven't won that first trophy and I can't see when or how they gonna win one.

I wasn't convinced a few years ago, but I definitely think this team has potential to challange for the PL title next season. We could well have won the league last season. We're in the semi final of The CL and should have been there last season as well if it wasn't for some extremly dodhy ref decisions. I don't think we're as far away from winning titles as you think. You can't argue with the fact that most ofl these players are gonna improve as well.

[SteveO 35]

Wenger has let a losers mentality seep into the club since 2005. Same old story, flatter to deceive when the pressure is off, fuck it up on the big day (CL final 2006, Carling Cup final 2007, yesterday and everytime we play one of the other big four in a knockout game). Its OK beating the Mancs and Chelsea pre-Xmas but when will we do it in April / May or in a big knockout. Liverpool in last year's CL, Man U in last year's FA Cup, Chelsea in 2007 Carling Cup final + yesterday.

Progress, Wenger calls it. What fucking progress?

4th in the league by a distance

Getting to an FA Cup semi-final playing only one Premiership team en route (and the mighty Hull City at that with a hugely convincing victory) before losing again to one of the other big 3 in a knockout situation

Qualifying from a mediocre CL group in 2nd place, wobbling through the last 16 on sudden death before beating the 4th best team in Spain ahead of inevitable failure against the Mancs

Yeah, great fucking progress.

[wlchuccc]

I am just totally gutted...almost want to walk back to Bhm

Why Diaby? He was injured and not played for few games
Why not Arshavin? He should be fresh for this game
Why Denilson? He is shit shit shit!!! Lost possession all the time!!
Why not Song? He is brilliant recently!!

so did you honestly not think song was "shit shit shit" until about a week ago?

Denilson never played well, I doubt it will ever happen Song improves a lot lately. Denilson has played most of the games this season. If he can't even pass a simple ball up till now, what could u say about him other than shit?

[olgitgooner]

It would appear that Arsene fucked up with his team selection.

We STILL should have beaten Chelsea. They were piss-poor. We were even worse.

And THAT, my friends, is because our players underperformed.

Not ALL Arsene's fault.

[barnetgooner]

I am just totally gutted...almost want to walk back to Bhm

Why Diaby? He was injured and not played for few games
Why not Arshavin? He should be fresh for this game
Why Denilson? He is shit shit shit!!! Lost possession all the time!!
Why not Song? He is brilliant recently!!

so did you honestly not think song was "shit shit shit" until about a week ago?

Denilson never played well, I doubt it will ever happen Song improves a lot lately. Denilson has played most of the games this season. If he can't even pass a simple ball up till now, what could u say about him other than shit?

I agree that Song has improved a lot recently and that Denilson isn't really of the quality we need yet, but considering literally everyone on this forum though Song was awful until very recently, surely Denilson might also make a similar improvement

[barnetgooner]

Qualifying from a mediocre CL group in 2nd place, wobbling through the last 16 on sudden death before beating the 4th best team in Spain ahead of inevitable failure against the Mancs

Yeah, great fucking progress.

let's hope you will be attending the second leg of the SF and bringing that positive attitude then...

[goonersid]

I will start with a reserved apology concerning posts I made yesterday, but like everybody else I was well fucked off, and we all react in different ways, but I stil didn't resort to personal insult regarding other forum members.
Yesterdays game was always going to be difficult (still think hiddink is best manager around today) To have lost that game was never going to be unthinkible, but to not to give yourself every chance due to selecting the wrong team was reprehensible.
We face utd in the clge semi, they are currently the most vulnerable side in any of the competitions they are involved in, I think we are favourites to beat them (regardless of what any bookmaker says) The only thing that can undermine our chances of making the final is another panic striken team selection by Wenger.
We dont need a result on tuesday against the scousers, as a pool victory will put more pressure on utd, thus forcing fergie to make compromising team selections against us. So lets see a team selection that reflects that.
I really think utd are going to blow the lot, and if we can capitalise on that, then I could stomach the pool winning their first prem, as long as it's accompanied by our first clge.
I really do want to back Wenger but disasters like yesterday make it very difficult!

[I Hate Hleb]

No need to apologise sid. We all had stuff we needed to get off our chest and that is what forums like this are for.

[donaldo]

I will start with a reserved apology concerning posts I made yesterday, but like everybody else I was well fucked off, and we all react in different ways, but I stil didn't resort to personal insult regarding other forum members.
Yesterdays game was always going to be difficult (still think hiddink is best manager around today) To have lost that game was never going to be unthinkible, but to not to give yourself every chance due to selecting the wrong team was reprehensible.
We face utd in the clge semi, they are currently the most vulnerable side in any of the competitions they are involved in, I think we are favourites to beat them (regardless of what any bookmaker says) The only thing that can undermine our chances of making the final is another panic striken team selection by Wenger.
We dont need a result on tuesday against the scousers, as a pool victory will put more pressure on utd, thus forcing fergie to make compromising team selections against us. So lets see a team selection that reflects that.
I really think utd are going to blow the lot, and if we can capitalise on that, then I could stomach the pool winning their first prem, as long as it's accompanied by our first clge.
I really do want to back Wenger but disasters like yesterday make it very difficult!

One minute you want Wenger out the next we are going to win the CL.Make you mind up.

[goonersid]

One minute you want Wenger out the next we are going to win the CL.Make you mind up. [/quote]
I don't konw what the fuck I think anymore, and for my mind I lost it long ago!!!!!!!!!!

[MickeyFabs]

This is part of the problem with us at the minute - the fickleness!!!

I have great respect for Wenger, and understand what is being asked of him regarding spending money, young squad etc.

The manager has amassed a decent squad, if not a strong one. However, Wenger did not utilise the players that he had at his disposal in an effective way yesterday.

Not starting with Arshavin or Nasri was a crime, as I thought we played into Chelski hands at times. He showed a caution that I don't identify with. We actually played better in the CC final, than in this game!

What I am not going to do though is shit on the manager. I am going to reserve judgement until the end of the season and see where we are then. Hopefully Wenger will reflect on the side that he put out there yesterday and react positively against the Mancs.

[northbankbren]

I PERSONALLY BLAME WENGER 100% FOR YESTERDAYS LOSS.

BUT DONT WANT HIM SACKED.

[augie]

Those are are defending wenger and the team over yesterday are either not understanding what this thread is all about or unbelieveably blind Most of us could accept losing yesterday (even though it was against cashly *word censored* and his chav bum chums ) as long as we gave it our best shot..........clearly what was served up though was nowhere near our best shot and the vibe that sid and a lot of us are mooting is that wenger gave us fcuk all chance of winning yesterday -

Team Selection As everybody has said already, his starting 11 yesterday defied belief All week we are on here saying that arshavin should replace nasri on the wing or play up front in the Bergkamp role but that he would def start was an absolute given but for some unknown reason we have left out a player who has argueably become our most influencial player and who rested rested in midweek cos of his unavailability Even 24 hours later I cannot get my fcuking head around what wenger was thinking

Formation Forgive me here but we are a football team pure and simple. To maximise our talents we need to play an expansive game where we allow our best players space to do what they do best. For some unknown reason instead of spreading the game we copied their formation and crowded the fucking midfield which played into their hands big time Surely with them playing 3 *word censored* in the middle (lumpalard, bollocks and essien) it would have opened up a ton of space for our wingers(theo and arshavin/nasri) to exploit ? We are talking about 2 of their 3 players listed not being the most mobile players as well so crowding that area helped them no end.

Substitutions I am sorry arsene but your excuses for not making substitutions is just pure and utter bullshit Nobody asked you to make all 3 subs early and leave us down to 10 if gibbs or silvestre didnt last but waiting 75 minutes to make any change when we were clearly shit is totally unacceptable The fact that, even when you did get up off your arse to make a change, you couldnt see what a useless pile of shit diaby was is the type of blindness that should see any manager sacked That long streak of piss could not keep possession if his life depended on it and chose to fcuk about in possession in all the wrong areas which always ended up in giving possession to the chavs It is true that denilson also had a 'mare but as bad as diaby ?? I dont fcuking think so
Did anybody see the reaction of rvp when he was subbed ? Did that look like a player who was injured ? Did he look like he knew that he was injured and had to go off ? Bollocks is what that is - he was as amazed at his subbing as the rest of us and granted he didnt play as well as he has done this season but then he is not a fcuking winger in a 5 man midfield

I would like to finish off with a few comments on a few of the players as well -

fabianski : looked as fcuking shaky as an autumn leaf. However dont think I can blame him for the 1st goal (eboue for me) and the biggest mistake he made for the 2nd goal was not taking dogbreath out once he went that far If we are honest we will agree that the carthorse that is silvestre wasnt going to catch the cheating *word censored* anyway so imo the keeper had to come but take him out for tactical reasons more than anything else
Greedybayor : Playing up top on your own is not an easy job I will agree...however if you ever turn in a half arsed effort, where you basically did not give a shit , while wearing our jersey again then I will hire that assasin that lethal has on retainer to take you out of our club for good Truth be told you are probably worth more to the club in insurance than you are in the transfer market you lazy *word censored*. I know I am probably old fashioned and am going to get lambasted for saying this but it really gets on my tits to see our players hugging opposition players like long lost lovers before the bloody game. I was brought up to believe that every game is a war and the opposition is basically your enemy for 90 minutes (or however long the game lasts) and to see greedybollox kissing and hugging dogbreath and essien before the game really made me mad and this was of course compounded by your "efforts" thereafter
Silvestre : We are a possession football team. The basic ingrediant in that is for you to pass it to somebody, anybody, in an Arsenal shirt - you should try that sometime and you might be surprised at the results
Theo and Gibbs : Hats off to the young lads Your performances were the only shining lights for us Gooners yesterday and you should feel proud of your displays.

Anyway arsene for all the players shortcomings or assets you were the one who sold them out yesterday. You expected them to win a major cup semi by playing a weakened midfield in front of a severely depleted defense and that above all else cost us yesterday