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Silvestre is shit, always has been always will be.

When he was at Utd I was happy to see him in their line up.
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mcdowell42 wrote:Whats worrying me is that wenger thinks senderos is worth selling but not silvestre.Maybe they could give silvestre away as part of the deal.

Sorry but has Silvestre fucked somebodys mum on here or something?

Sure he hasn't set the place on fire but some of the criticism against him is totally unwarranted, biased and completely undeserved!

If Clichy's, Sagna's and Cesc's form last season was slated so much I could understand it but those guys never played for a rival did they!

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Irish Gooner wrote:Silvestre is shit, always has been always will be.

When he was at Utd I was happy to see him in their line up.

It would be good if on some of your replies you could add some facts to back up your expert analysis.

All you keep saying is such and such is shit without any reasonable comment alongside it to make it credible.

I am sure Silvestre could you take you this house, show you his medals and caps and ask you why your opinion of him being shit is valid when he obviously wasnt thought of that way by Ferguson and several national coaches.
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Yip I have to agree, while he was not exceptional last season he was no worse than Kolo or Sagna (who had a terrible seaason)

Also if we are saying we should bring PV4 back "to give us something in the dressing room", don't you think Silvestre offers us that too??? the guy has won a champions league medal and more medals than the rest of our current team put together!!
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ambarron wrote:Yip I have to agree, while he was not exceptional last season he was no worse than Kolo or Sagna (who had a terrible seaason)

Also if we are saying we should bring PV4 back "to give us something in the dressing room", don't you think Silvestre offers us that too??? the guy has won a champions league medal and more medals than the rest of our current team put together!!
Very good point..............but he played for Man Yoo before so most will overlook that!
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the same idiots that booooed Reyes no doubt.........

who next??? Sol Campbell....Robert Pires........Jens Lehmann
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WTF? I can't believe Silvestre is getting backed... :lol:


The reason Cesc,Sagna,Clichy and Fabregas aren't being criticised is because they have proven they can be top players.

Silvestre has proven nothing with us or Utd, why do you think they sold him to us?

I don't get you Percy you think Distin and Silvestre are good enough for us... :?
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Irish Gooner wrote:WTF? I can't believe Silvestre is getting backed... :lol:


The reason Cesc,Sagna,Clichy and Fabregas aren't being criticised is because they have proven they can be top players.

Silvestre has proven nothing with us or Utd, why do you think they sold him to us?

I don't get you Percy you think Distin and Silvestre are good enough for us... :?
Silvestre has proven nothing........................

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Percy Dalton wrote:
Irish Gooner wrote:WTF? I can't believe Silvestre is getting backed... :lol:


The reason Cesc,Sagna,Clichy and Fabregas aren't being criticised is because they have proven they can be top players.

Silvestre has proven nothing with us or Utd, why do you think they sold him to us?

I don't get you Percy you think Distin and Silvestre are good enough for us... :?
Silvestre has proven nothing........................

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Irish Gooner wrote:WTF? I can't believe Silvestre is getting backed... :lol:


The reason Cesc,Sagna,Clichy and Fabregas aren't being criticised is because they have proven they can be top players.

Silvestre has proven nothing with us or Utd, why do you think they sold him to us?

I don't get you Percy you think Distin and Silvestre are good enough for us... :?
They've also proven they can be just as bad as Silvestre.
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The thing about it is gus that you are standing up for silvestre on the basis of what he did for the mancs and yet you are opposed to re-signing PV4 despite all he won for our club :? Firstly you are as guilty as the rest of us on double standards here but secondly, and I am sure you will agree with me here, the game nowadays is all about what have you done for me lately ? Silvestre has no credit in the bank like sagna, kolo and even PV4 have so no doubt that plays a part in where our loyalty lies and while I am not saying that necessarily makes us right it is the way the land lies.
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augie wrote:The thing about it is gus that you are standing up for silvestre on the basis of what he did for the mancs and yet you are opposed to re-signing PV4 despite all he won for our club :? Firstly you are as guilty as the rest of us on double standards here but secondly, and I am sure you will agree with me here, the game nowadays is all about what have you done for me lately ? Silvestre has no credit in the bank like sagna, kolo and even PV4 have so no doubt that plays a part in where our loyalty lies and while I am not saying that necessarily makes us right it is the way the land lies.
No I am saying that Silvestre has proven he is not shit in the past and simply that the level of criticism he gets is way out of proportion. I liken the signing of Viera to Silvestre in as much as they both have merits and both have drawbacks. Neither are ideal signings in any shape or form but where Paddy has our respect due to past acheivements Silvestre in my opinion still has the legs. Both have something to offer in different ways.

Why am I guilty of double standards? I am simply saying that last season, while not setting the world alight, Silvestre's form was comparable to Sagna's, Cesc's and in my opinion Clichy's.

Yes Sagna has one good season in the bank out of two. Where is the difference if Silvestre stays fit and has a good season this year?

It seems to me some players get away with murder while others don't. For everytime an Adebayor should have squared a ball to Bendtner there is a Clichy who should have dispatched the ball into row Z in the last minute instead of fucking about and giving away a daft penalty. I don't need to ask whats sticks in peoples minds more.

No, Silvestre was not great in an injury hit season last year but at the same time he was better on many occasions than the usual crowd faves that get away with murder.

Whether he won his caps and medals witn Man Yoo or us it is just daft to dismiss Silvestre as a shit footballer with nothing to offer.
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Whoa gus steady on there - I never said that silvestre is shit although I would def be in the camp that feels his best days are some way behind him. I will also agree with you that some players are allowed a lot more latitude than others and agree, even though I too am guilty of it, that it isnt right :oops: What I will also say that comparing silvestre with a player like sagna who has years ahead of him isnt realistic - fans will be more tolerant of sagan having a bd year cos they know he has a few more ahead in which to redeem himself.

The only way I accused you of double standards was in your criticism of the potential re-signing of PV4. Defending silvestre's form and comparing it to sagna was not what I disagreed with you over
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I can see it from both sides tbh.

I think there is definitely a blanket carpeting of Silvestre purely because he came from the mancs. The same applies with some people and Gallas. Silvestre is a perfectly capable player and has as impressive a cv as any other player in the prem today.
Having said that, we should not have signed him and we shouldn't be looking to sign PV4 either. FFS we are supposed to be building a team for the future, not one from the past.


Augie, who is this Sagan you speak of oh wise one :lol: :wink:
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augie wrote:Whoa gus steady on there - I never said that silvestre is shit although I would def be in the camp that feels his best days are some way behind him. I will also agree with you that some players are allowed a lot more latitude than others and agree, even though I too am guilty of it, that it isnt right :oops: What I will also say that comparing silvestre with a player like sagna who has years ahead of him isnt realistic - fans will be more tolerant of sagan having a bd year cos they know he has a few more ahead in which to redeem himself.

The only way I accused you of double standards was in your criticism of the potential re-signing of PV4. Defending silvestre's form and comparing it to sagna was not what I disagreed with you over
I don't have any double standards over Silvestre or the potential return of Viera. I could see the merits in taking in Silvestre and I can see the merits in taking Viers abck but like Spud says neither of them are ideal signings but these are the Arsenal times we live in.


I never said you called him shit Augie I was simply trying to show that some people will slate the guy regardless.

I show the medals he has won and the response was to say he won all of them being a sub.

It is just plain daft!
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