The problem with Senderos is...he is prone to making VERY bad mistakes, he doesn't make little ones, when he gets caught out it's usually disastrous for us and he won't lose that because that's the kind of player he is, he is NOT good enough, Milan thought exactly the same judging by the amount they played him.
I think Wenger made himself look worse by bringing AA in. What he's done is show everyone what a difference a touch of class makes to this team and his ongoing refusal to replace the mediocre players (that will play at least ten times for the first team this season I'm sure) is just baffling. He can't use the money excuse any more because even he said he has it to spend but he chose not to. It's fine to have that kind of belief but after 4 or 5 years of repeating the same excuses someone has to be accountable and that will be him at the end of the season. If we win a trophy then he will be justified (much more so if it's the PL or CL), we will just have to wait and see for that. But surely, failure to win anything again will have to mean one of two things -
He walks away by mutual consent or......
He completely changes his outlook, sells half a dozen mediocre players and spends £50m+ on quality.
I just don't understand the logic he uses. If you want to jazz your car up is it not better to spend £500 a year on a sports exhaust one year, bigger wheels the next, turbo the next rather than pretend it looks the nuts and does 0-60 in 5 seconds and then after 4 or 5 years having to spend a few grand on getting it where you want it?
Whatever happens after the end of this season it is likely to cost a small fortune to rebuild if necessary whereas other teams who spend a bit every year are constantly working on getting better.
It's very frustrating.
Is Wenger in the last chance saloon?
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i'm confident you would write the same paragraph about song last season. and now he is a key member of the squad, and one of our best players so far this season. again, making bad mistakes is lack of concentration and experience, he is now older, and spent a year in a tough league. for god sake, he'll be our fourth choice!TeeCee wrote:The problem with Senderos is...he is prone to making VERY bad mistakes, he doesn't make little ones, when he gets caught out it's usually disastrous for us and he won't lose that because that's the kind of player he is, he is NOT good enough,
he was injured when he got there, that's why he played 'only' fifteen games. anyway, he went there to be second choice, so fifteen games is not too bad considering he was injured in the beggining.TeeCee wrote: Milan thought exactly the same judging by the amount they played him.
it's statistics. how many players bought in the last couple of seasons in the world of football for the ammount we paid for arshavin are as good as him? maybe 1 or 2. maybe none. it was brilliant business, and spending 30M on fellas like berbatov or 16M on fellas like valencia are not always worth it.TeeCee wrote: I think Wenger made himself look worse by bringing AA in. What he's done is show everyone what a difference a touch of class makes to this team and his ongoing refusal to replace the mediocre players (that will play at least ten times for the first team this season I'm sure) is just baffling.
i agree with you in some parts there, i would have liked to see 20M spent on a DM and maybe a goalkeeper.TeeCee wrote: He can't use the money excuse any more because even he said he has it to spend but he chose not to. It's fine to have that kind of belief but after 4 or 5 years of repeating the same excuses someone has to be accountable and that will be him at the end of the season. If we win a trophy then he will be justified (much more so if it's the PL or CL), we will just have to wait and see for that. But surely, failure to win anything again will have to mean one of two things -
He walks away by mutual consent or......
He completely changes his outlook, sells half a dozen mediocre players and spends £50m+ on quality.
i don't think we would need major reestructuring even if we don't win anything this season (and so i disagree with wenger when he said he would have to start all over) we have a very very strong squad, lacking just a little bit in some areas, like a second choice DM and a better keeper. but again, there i disagree with both you and le boss...TeeCee wrote: I just don't understand the logic he uses. If you want to jazz your car up is it not better to spend £500 a year on a sports exhaust one year, bigger wheels the next, turbo the next rather than pretend it looks the nuts and does 0-60 in 5 seconds and then after 4 or 5 years having to spend a few grand on getting it where you want it?
Whatever happens after the end of this season it is likely to cost a small fortune to rebuild if necessary whereas other teams who spend a bit every year are constantly working on getting better.
It's very frustrating.
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brazilianGOONER wrote:i consider senderos to be a lot better than silvestre, don't you? specially considering that senderos is a lot younger, and silvestre is at an age where he should be at his peak...Kiki wrote:I cant understand how someone can pillor Silvestre but defend Senderos
Are you talking about his sexual peak ??
His footballing peak passed about 6 years ago so it must be sexually you are referring to 
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A mans sexual peak is 17 so he is well past that too, it must be his mental peakaugie wrote:brazilianGOONER wrote:i consider senderos to be a lot better than silvestre, don't you? specially considering that senderos is a lot younger, and silvestre is at an age where he should be at his peak...Kiki wrote:I cant understand how someone can pillor Silvestre but defend Senderos
Are you talking about his sexual peak ??
Last summer I defended Wenger as he had bid for dm's by the bucket load. Now I want to know who failed, the board by ending up with a very limited budget, Wenger for not going for players or new guy for not sealing deals. I think we will make challenges for cups and league but fall apart when it matters as Song and Denilson will be exhausted and... well we have Almunia
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brazilian, if you sell your top sorer regardless of how lazy he was and dont replace him, you are clearly weaker.
the milan team we beat were on the wane...a poor inter have walked the league for years, italian domestic football is crap at the mo, look how they do in the cl in pastcouple of years. cl football is nothing like domestic english football senderos has proven hes not good enough already.
answer the question re eduardo, what has he done in english football???
also well done for ignoring the point about man u. none of the teams we have played thus far represent a mix of styles. ignore the points again, pompey are abysmal (not dirty long ball players just crap), celtic would struggle to be top 10 in england and again wern't dirty or played long ball. and everton were completely distracted and not at the races. but hey, ignore these points and claim we've coped against all types of attack!!
the milan team we beat were on the wane...a poor inter have walked the league for years, italian domestic football is crap at the mo, look how they do in the cl in pastcouple of years. cl football is nothing like domestic english football senderos has proven hes not good enough already.
answer the question re eduardo, what has he done in english football???
also well done for ignoring the point about man u. none of the teams we have played thus far represent a mix of styles. ignore the points again, pompey are abysmal (not dirty long ball players just crap), celtic would struggle to be top 10 in england and again wern't dirty or played long ball. and everton were completely distracted and not at the races. but hey, ignore these points and claim we've coped against all types of attack!!
What is indisputable is that since 2004 we have been assest stripping the squad. That is we have been getting more money in for players sold than spent on new players coming in.
That situation is untenable as a long term model, without us becoming a 'tea pot' - that is a mid table - team. Indeed no other club could even have attempted the same stunt for the length of time we have tried it and stay - just - inside the CL placings.
Now I can't speak for anyone else. But my take was that when we moved we would be in that position - asset stripping the squad - but only for a two or three year period either side of the move. The idea that we run for 5 ??? 6 ??? 7 ???? or more years, would have seemed to me madness, not least because the fans would not take it, before they vote with thier feet.
That has now happened. I can't prove this - it's just an estimate. But Club Level should be all season ticket. I reckon the take up is no more than 60% with the rest sold on a match by match basis. That is a substantial revenue blow, that must be leaving the Club short on match day 'take'.
If this year ends up potless again, the take up could well be below 50% and still falling. Is that the 'Uniform Business Model' that we are all supposed to fall down on our knees and worship ?
That situation is untenable as a long term model, without us becoming a 'tea pot' - that is a mid table - team. Indeed no other club could even have attempted the same stunt for the length of time we have tried it and stay - just - inside the CL placings.
Now I can't speak for anyone else. But my take was that when we moved we would be in that position - asset stripping the squad - but only for a two or three year period either side of the move. The idea that we run for 5 ??? 6 ??? 7 ???? or more years, would have seemed to me madness, not least because the fans would not take it, before they vote with thier feet.
That has now happened. I can't prove this - it's just an estimate. But Club Level should be all season ticket. I reckon the take up is no more than 60% with the rest sold on a match by match basis. That is a substantial revenue blow, that must be leaving the Club short on match day 'take'.
If this year ends up potless again, the take up could well be below 50% and still falling. Is that the 'Uniform Business Model' that we are all supposed to fall down on our knees and worship ?
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if the rest of the squad is completely the same, and plays the same, yes, i agree with you.the playing mantis wrote:brazilian, if you sell your top sorer regardless of how lazy he was and dont replace him, you are clearly weaker.
what about him being part of the best defense in the history of the CL? it shows nothing?the playing mantis wrote:the milan team we beat were on the wane...a poor inter have walked the league for years, italian domestic football is crap at the mo, look how they do in the cl in pastcouple of years. cl football is nothing like domestic english football senderos has proven hes not good enough already.
i'm not saying his performances show he is good enough for first team regular. i say it's good enough for 4th option.
not much. a bloke broke his leg when he was adapting. it's not about what he has done, it's about what he can do. he is a very very very good striker, with by far the best finishing technique in the PL imo. any brazilian or croatian or anyone else who watched his football for 4-5 years know that. again, did you see him in the croatian league? i did, the highlights of his games were shown here in brazilian television. he is amazing, scores goals like mad, rarely misses. reminds me of romario. you are going to say that croatian league is shit, and it really is, but his finishing is quality and you can see that even in an amateur match. his left leg is alien, there must be some microchips or something in there.the playing mantis wrote: answer the question re eduardo, what has he done in english football???
ok, let's say celtic would finish 20th in the league, portsmouth will finish 19th and everton 18th. we outplayed them all, by far. remember when i said that if we beat the lower 10 teams in the PL that's 60 points? it makes you need 20 something in the other 18, which is not difficult at all. last season we lost to hull at home, who are in my opinion a shit team, as shit as everton, celtic and portsmouth. we drew against middlesbrough. you want a bigger piece of crap than last season's middlesbrough?the playing mantis wrote: also well done for ignoring the point about man u. none of the teams we have played thus far represent a mix of styles. ignore the points again, pompey are abysmal (not dirty long ball players just crap), celtic would struggle to be top 10 in england and again wern't dirty or played long ball. and everton were completely distracted and not at the races. but hey, ignore these points and claim we've coped against all types of attack!!
and when i look at those games of last season, like stoke, shitty, those games where we shouldn't have lost that many points, i see a team that didn't know how to mark the opposition in their half of the pitch. a team with a lazy scumbag up front, weak central midfield and arshavin playing as a midfielder. a team with no good partnership on the back. and still, we managed to get to two semifinals, FA and champions league, one quarter final, beer cup, and a so so finish in the league.
this year we have a much better defense, a midfield that is working wonders and an attack that scores few but creates many. how isn't that a big improvement on last season?
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How long will both Gallas and TV stay fit, it won't be long!this year we have a much better defense, a midfield that is working wonders and an attack that scores few but creates many
Midfield working wonders.....mmmmm well we've already started to see the other side with Diaby's own goal, Cesc is already injured and we have no backup in Songs position at all.
Yes, our attack has created shit loads of chances for the last 5 years but haven't managed to put too many of them away, and with the non-prolific strikers we now have, that is unlikely to change.
It's easy to say it looks great now, it does look good, but the PL is over 9 months not the first 4 or 5 games and you have to look at our squad and it's no better than the last few seasons where we've continually failed. There is no logical reason for that to change without new quality players.
