Emmanuel Adebayor

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:24 am

tonysaunders wrote:Au contraire, Mr K. I shall relish crossing swords with someone who can hold an adult conversation!

My first point would be that I think this whole argument about him scoring against the 'big' clubs is a myth. I can't think of any other than the one he scored at OT last year.

Secondly, I agree that out of all of our strikers, Ade would be my second pick, but that isn't to say that if I were the boss, I wouldn't have gone out and tried to sign another striker in the summer. Who am I to question AW? I know, but I identified the striker situation as a problem over the summer and I don't think it was addressed properly. So because of this, I don't really have a constructive answer for you.

No, I think you are bang on the money there. I agree we really haven't adressed the striker issue at all. But I'd have Yabba ahead of Theo (for now) and ahead of Eduardo (for the next year?).

In a perfect world we'd have RVP fit AND another top rate PROVEN striker on board. I suppose it is one of Mr Wenger's few faults; Over believing in the strength of our squad. We possibly do have the best starting 11 (when all fit) but squad-wise, we are way off the mark.

Post by **T.S** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:37 am

So...we agree...

Not really in keeping with the current trend on this forum, is it?

You wanker.

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:50 am

tonysaunders wrote:So...we agree...

Not really in keeping with the current trend on this forum, is it?

You wanker.

I know. You bastardhole... ((C) Alan Kelly - whoever he is...)

Post by **T.S** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:10 am

For the record, I love bastardhole!

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:13 am

tonysaunders wrote:For the record, I love bastardhole!

I know. It rocks. Like all Paddies, the f*cking poetry just comes spilling out of me after a few beers...

Well, poetry or shite comes spilling out of me; you choose!

Post by **Belfast Boy** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:30 am

I think Eduardo is a natural goalscorer, whereas Ade obviously isn't but AW is obviously convinced that he can mould him into a much valued player who will be useful as UFG sez against certain types of teams, if AW can improve Ade's conversion rate he would definately be the type of player that no team/squad should be without, but as our no.1??? not for me, not yet anyway unless him and Eddie can form a partnership and altho it didn't look good yesterday, on paper they should be perfect for each other!

Gunnerz4life · Post by **Gunnerz4life** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:34 am

The thing with Ade is, hes the kinda player who is the ideal foil for RVP. I feel we needed a striker who could play with his back towards the goal and Ade provides that. RVP likes to drop and have the ball played at his feet. So they potentially are the ideal pairing and it has been apparent in the last few weeks.

Some of the criticism of Ade is quite fair. Hes not the best in one and one situations which was again apparent yesterday. For a man as tall as he is, he is not as good a header of the ball as he should be. But i feel his first touch has been a lot better this season and he is good in holding up the ball for the likes of RVP, Cesc, Rosickys to make runs. Ade has a key role in this Arsenal side and I feel his partnership with RVP will be key to our fortunes this season. I dont think either Ade or RVP could become the top scorer but so far this season, if one hasnt fired, the other has, which is all we need really. I dont think too many teams can boost about both their strikers scoring like ours has been.

Magic Hat · Post by **Magic Hat** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:31 pm

tonysaunders wrote:Heskey has been a success at every Club he's been at? No he hasn't!

So what you're saying is that you'd be happy for Emile Heskey to be playing for Arsenal, yes?

the one he failed at would be Brummie land I'm guessing?

For England yes, he is a mobile target man and links up well with Owen whereas the far more talented Rooney, who doesn't work so well with Owen. For Arsenal? No.

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:57 pm

Gunnerz4life wrote:The thing with Ade is, hes the kinda player who is the ideal foil for RVP. I feel we needed a striker who could play with his back towards the goal and Ade provides that. RVP likes to drop and have the ball played at his feet. So they potentially are the ideal pairing and it has been apparent in the last few weeks.

Some of the criticism of Ade is quite fair. Hes not the best in one and one situations which was again apparent yesterday. For a man as tall as he is, he is not as good a header of the ball as he should be. But i feel his first touch has been a lot better this season and he is good in holding up the ball for the likes of RVP, Cesc, Rosickys to make runs. Ade has a key role in this Arsenal side and I feel his partnership with RVP will be key to our fortunes this season. I dont think either Ade or RVP could become the top scorer but so far this season, if one hasnt fired, the other has, which is all we need really. I dont think too many teams can boost about both their strikers scoring like ours has been.

WELL SAID GUNNER4LIFE.

I DON'T THINK MANY COULD DISAGREE WITH THAT SUMMATION. NOW LET'S MOVE ONTO SOMETHING ELSE.

Bergkamp95 · Post by **Bergkamp95** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:26 pm

Adebayor is a class act he not a prolific gaolscorer like Wrighty or Henry but he does always scores against the spuds five goals in six games against the **** so i think thats a plus keeps scoring against the scum and he will be a hero in my eyes.

Justin-the-Gooner · Post by **Justin-the-Gooner** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:37 pm

I find it depends what mood Adebayor. Well its not that as he does always give his best. But look at it this way. Look at his performances against the likes of Spuds. Then look at Saturday, he gets around the keeper and falls on his backside. It all depends with him. Some days he is Thierry Henry, other days he is Franny Jeffers. The one thing about Ade is that he has improved quite a lot every season since he has joined. If he continues to do so then he will be ok without a doubt. But it is possible that it would be a good kick up the Arsenal if he is a substitute for a game or two. Even though without RvP we can"t drop Ade. So maybe in time if he continues to do so, because on his day he is our best player.

26may1989 · Post by **26may1989** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:59 pm

Ade is a great squad striker but for me he's not quite good enough to be a guaranteed name on the team-sheet each week.

One excellent quality he, like many of our current squad, has in spades is contribution to the team and contributing to a coherent team. They're very different types of forward of course, but I see a lot of the quality of Wiltord in him, in that Ade plays a strong team game, whatever his limitations.

The problem isn't really Ade though, it's the time it's taking Eduardo to make his mark, meaning Ade has come under almost no pressure re who will partner a fit RvP. If Eduardo doesn't start firing by the end of November, then we really do have a striker problem that I think will seriously affect us in the second half of the season.

Galasso · Post by **Galasso** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:20 am

tonysaunders wrote:Au contraire, Mr K. I shall relish crossing swords with someone who can hold an adult conversation!

My first point would be that I think this whole argument about him scoring against the 'big' clubs is a myth. I can't think of any other than the one he scored at OT last year.

Secondly, I agree that out of all of our strikers, Ade would be my second pick, but that isn't to say that if I were the boss, I wouldn't have gone out and tried to sign another striker in the summer. Who am I to question AW? I know, but I identified the striker situation as a problem over the summer and I don't think it was addressed properly. So because of this, I don't really have a constructive answer for you.

Regarding scoring against big clubs example, Adebayor hasn't other than OT as far as I can remember - but that isn't the point for me and never has. He played exceptionally well at OT, also at Anfield in an extremely poor team performance and at Chelsea away last year were he was one of our best players. In addition, his record against Spurs (which while not a big club has a certain amount of pressure added to these games).

I don't think the guy is a problem. He might be having a barren run but as a strike partnership, and I emphasise this, he works with RvP. I think that if they were both fit (RvP) especially for a whole season - then even if Ade did not score 20 goals then RvP certainly would, and much of this would be down to the work that Ade does.

And I say to those who don't believe that work ethic is anything to shout about, I say that without Ade's work ethic, we would have 2 very lazy talented strikers up front.

I presume that AW believes in Ade and perhaps it is influence within and with the team that contributes to this. Another element of team ethic that is underrated. I wanted to see Anelka back before DaSilva was signed but his influence in the dressing room??

I'm prepared to stick with it and believe that AW has it right.

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:40 am

On this forum all during the summer fellow Gooners were calling for Arsene to sign another strker be it Anelka or Martins.We could see that if we suffered injuries upfront we would be in the same position as last season when Henry and RVP were injured.Now when we have lost RVP for 6 weeks we are left with Ade who is not a natural finsher and Bendtner and Eduardo who are unproven at premiership level.Anelka is the exact opposite to Ade he wont run around for 90mins and chase after lost causes but he will finish off more chances than Ade.I know which one i would have.We have plenty of money available to spend in January and the priority should be a striker

Post by **REB** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:45 am

i think we'l get by with what we hav up front,, the amount of chances we make even bapista would get goals,,
if he's splashing the cash in jan then its a proper keeper we need before it blows up in our face