fuck off wenger...

[RossieGooner]

Oi Foxy - u nicked me avatar!!!!

[USMartin]

Martin,

You're not reading my posts, you keep saying

f you see things this way and surely the Board can see what you can why haven't they sacked him then

I have answered this several times.

The board will not sack Wenger because he keeps getting a modicum of success on a budget of close to zero! Why would the board want to change him when he is spending virtually nothing and we are filling the stadium and making a profit?

So you agree the Board is more concerned by making additional profits than Arsenal achieving more success on the pitch, to the point even of risking a much greater longer-term decline that could result from a fifth place finish under any manager in the next decade simply to make greater profits and potentially increase their personal wealth in doing so?

And if you do agree what makes you confident that will change if they simply replace Mr. Wenger?

Any new manager will want an agreement on a certain amount of investment being made available, but for Arsenal that is only part of the problem. There are many other things such as I mentioned above that would hopefully go away along with Wenger. My focus isn't on who will be our NEXT manager. It's the man who is there NOW who is the problem. Potential future issues are not a reason to put up with a problem that exists now!!!!!

They are if they are worse than any current problem. Especially since you acknowledge that the Boiard will have a tough time finding a successor to Mr. Wenger who offers them what Mr. Wenger does at this point and just skip away tfrom one of the mopst cirtical points in this discussion there is. I still don't see any genuine indication that you have confidence a new manager will have more financial support than Mr. Wenger does other than the statement you make but then run from as quickly as you can.

What proof do you have that the Board is ready to make such an agreement with a new manager that will exceed what the Board are happy to spend - or not spend - now?

[1989]

Wenger is a c**t!

Spot fucking on mate.

And if anyone says go support the spuds or some bollocks, you're a *word censored* too.

[mrgnu1958]

go support the spuds..

[QuartzGooner]

If Van Persie and Fabregas dont play at Anfield then thats a disgrace,

If they are not fully fit and sharp I would rather have them not playing, than to play them if they are not ready and risk injury.

[USMartin]

If Van Persie and Fabregas dont play at Anfield then thats a disgrace,

If they are not fully fit and sharp I would rather have them not playing, than to play them if they are not ready and risk injury.

I genuinely would agree largely except that there is not the quality in this team as say in some past teams where you could be wiothout Henry and Pires and Bergakmp and still win the biggest matches on the toughest grounds.

That is really the position all of this has boxed us into at this point. Unless we add the key defensive players we need we can't afford to just rest our two best attacking players bar none.

[marcengels]

If Van Persie and Fabregas dont play at Anfield then thats a disgrace,

If they are not fully fit and sharp I would rather have them not playing, than to play them if they are not ready and risk injury.

Didn't worry Wenger last season when he threw 3 unfit players into the game against barcelona, consigning our albeit small chance of winning the league to the rubbish bin.

[merse_10]

I'm not sure you entirely wrong. But again I'm not sure you're right either, and we can't afford to assume you - or in fairness many other Gooners - are in fact right. If I'm wrong and you are right though at least we can say we tried. I think that will serve us all MUCH better - no matter what happens - if someday the question is asked "did you do all you could for the club?" then having to wonder if we did in fact - or worse having to acknowledge we failed to or chose not to.

Then do it, Martin!

You keep saying we should be doing something, but I'm not sure you've actually done anything yourself, have you?

You seem to have a lot to say (which is great) but unless you actually make things happen, then it's just empty words. You know as well as I do that if repeatedly voicing your concerns about the board on this forum is the best you can do, then you'll get nowhere!

What I'm saying, is that if you're SERIOUS, you have to practice what you preach. Do you have a website yet? do the supporters clubs know about you and your plans? do the board know of you? do the press?? - hell, does anyone outside Arsenal forums such as this one, and the others you've been banned from?

As a wise man once said.... "Build it and they will come" - or at the very least, they'll have a bandwagon to join, whereas at the moment the best people can do is either agree or disagree with you! so if you have bigger ambitions than that... do something about it NOW!

I am re-writing the petition one more time then posting it at GoPetition.com in the next few days. I will post an updated version here ahead of them for editorial input on Monday or tuesday.

[merse_10]

thank fuck the likes of martin and the rest of u sit on the net watching arsenal games instead of being there.i choose to get behind WHATEVER team is put out by WHATEVER manager because i support ARSENAL.
yeah things aint goin our way right now but getting on everyones back aint gonna help turn it around.
do you think THE BOARD are gonna listen to a couple of bell ends on an internet forum slagging off every little thing, or the general paying faithful who actually turn up to pay their money and actually derseve an opinion.
you sit there across the pond slaggin off this club when you've put fuck all into it(besides your obvious scars )

come back at me with what u like but bottom line is i paid £910 quid to have my opinion,most of you deserve fuck all say cos u sit there watching games on a free stream and hate the shirt,hate the manager,hate the way the club is run.

so remind me,WHY DO U SUPPORT THE ARSENAL ANYWAY???

thick and thin,good times and bad,win or lose
(ps,what did you do after wigan done us last year martin???turn ur computer off and forget about it??most of us had a 3 hour drive thinkin about it and ill do it again this yearTHATS LOYALTY,THATS SUPPORT)

I'm sooooooo impressed - you'll let yourself get ripped off over and over with no complaint because you're loyal. It costs me as much - or more - to attend one match as your season ticket btw. I spent about 1220 pounds last time for one match, about 1300 for one match before that, and have spent as many as 3000 pounds in one year to see five matches plus another 1000 just to watch the Champions League Final in a pub in Paris the same year. I've spent about 12000 pounds since 2003 seeing Arsenal In England and on the continent

So save you're "I spend more money on Arsenal I'm a better Gooner and my views matter more" for when its true or when it matters - which it only does to people like yourself who don't care enough to stand up for their club but to politely sit down for it. I'll stop - I don't want to assume to much about you as you're all too happy to do about me and anyone else who disagrees with you.

And if you think this is all about getting behind the team no matter what then you don't have the right to criticze any aspect of Arsenal inclluding the players or the manager or you're just a hypocrite. deeply. Really how to ciriticze one player or their performance if you don't care whether they would be at Arsenal or not if not for the Board's actions resulting in limiting what we invest in the team? You don't deserve to be able to question the quality of the team really because you don't want to qyustion why that's the team to begin with. Like I said earlier you're a bloke who won't vote then will be the first to complain about what a lousy job the government does and how bad the PM representing your community is.
But you'll expect people to care what you think I bet.

Really don't complain about the players this year - or the manager - or the Board - even. If you want to blame someone for Arsenal winning nothing - look in the mirror. You would rather prove how much more loyal you are by cheering Arsenal no matter what? Fine. You go ahead. Problem is we'll all be cheering Arsenal every bit as loudly. - myself included. You can pretend otherwise but you'll be disappointed.

But what's worse is we won't have to wonder if we cared enough to fight to do more for Arsenal whatever the outcome. You will have to wonder about that as it stands.

sorry,cant be bothered to read any of this^^^^^^^^^^^

im sure ive read it all before on any other topic u've posted on.

Of course not expecting you to actually know what you're talking about was a bridge too far I guess. Just like I said before - you don't read posts but complain about them. Sums you up completely to me...

its not that i choose not to read your posts because i dont know what im talking about,just that it takes you 200 words to say nothing at all.guess youre just one of those people who do all their talking on a keyboard because they cant/dont know how to back it up.ooh a f*cking petition.cant wait till the whole board step down and aw resigns then we magically start spending millions on players and all because of your petition.

not that im against anyone critisizing aw or the club as a whole,just that your way aint gonna change f*ck all. Ive stated many times that i think the time for change is upon us HOWEVER, as that clearly aint gonna be this summer,whats the point getting on everyone now,is that gonna make things instantly better

NO

[merse_10]

Merse 10 just shown himself up to be a c**t of the highest order.

And as I said in the other thread, blokes like him who claims he is better than everyone else because he has a ST and goes away while abusing any who criticise Wenger or the club, sadly are the majority in the Emirates.

Just embarrassed he supports the same club, and that there is so many more like him around.

actually yeah,i do think im better then you cos i go to more games than you! same way that i think people like crocit and sammy are better than me cos they go to even more and travel further than i do.
thats what supporting a club is about FUCKING SUPPORTING.dont think aw can hear your whinging from ur armchair anyway.
i think the people who dedicate their time,money and emotions to this club should have more say then those who dont.
whats wrong with that?

as for the c*nt remark.
didnt involve you so fuck off

[AFCWozza]

Last season i went to over 30 matches in total including traveling to Barcelona, Bolton, Hull, Wigan, Blackburn, Merseyside twice and Stoke. This season i'm aiming to go to more games. I dont agree that i deserve more of an opinion, or that i am better than any "fan" on this message board.

You have to understand that some people are not in the financial position, they are not able enough, or have other more important family commitments and cannot possibly make the matches. Call them armchair fans, whatever they are they are still fans of Arsenal football club. The only way possible for these fans to voice there opinion is over messageboards so of corse they are going to use them.

In my opinion this is the perfect place for fans to vent there frustrations and fly abuse around. NOT in the stadium during the middle of a game, booing at half time after a shit first half or booing at the end of the game aside. I dont understand why people would want to pay to travel all the way to Wigan, or Blackburn, or even Barcelona just to sit there and moan about the team for 90 minutes. Sarcastic jeers when our keeper does something good, or moans and groans after the slighest mistake from certain players (and it is only certain players) dont help anyone!

Attend matches, Dont attend matches, Love Wenger, Hate Wenger, Love The Board, Hate The Board, one thing we all do know is that we Love AFC!

[merse_10]

Last season i went to over 30 matches in total including traveling to Barcelona, Bolton, Hull, Wigan, Blackburn, Merseyside twice and Stoke. This season i'm aiming to go to more games. I dont agree that i deserve more of an opinion, or that i am better than any "fan" on this message board.

You have to understand that some people are not in the financial position, they are not able enough, or have other more important family commitments and cannot possibly make the matches. Call them armchair fans, whatever they are they are still fans of Arsenal football club. The only way possible for these fans to voice there opinion is over messageboards so of corse they are going to use them.

In my opinion this is the perfect place for fans to vent there frustrations and fly abuse around. NOT in the stadium during the middle of a game, booing at half time after a shit first half or booing at the end of the game aside. I dont understand why people would want to pay to travel all the way to Wigan, or Blackburn, or even Barcelona just to sit there and moan about the team for 90 minutes. Sarcastic jeers when our keeper does something good, or moans and groans after the slighest mistake from certain players (and it is only certain players) dont help anyone!

Attend matches, Dont attend matches, Love Wenger, Hate Wenger, Love The Board, Hate The Board, one thing we all do know is that we Love AFC!

agree.
let me re-phrase the better then you bit to "have more right to voice your opinion"

[TeeCee]

What proof do you have that the Board is ready to make such an agreement with a new manager that will exceed what the Board are happy to spend - or not spend - now?

It's a silly question Martin as how can anyone prove that? The same as you can't prove that a new manager wouldn't be handed a £60m+ war chest to play with.

The fact remains that IF Wenger fails to strengthen where needed this season and we finish below 4th, then there is a good chance Wenger will not be here next season (ie: he may walk). If he does, the board have a decision to make as we won't be in the CL (which I understand they have budgeted for, for one year out of the CL), we will need a new manager to get us back IN the CL. To attract the kind of manager who may do that, will probably take a reasonably large sum of money considering how average many of the squad are under Wenger. So yes I do believe the board would make money available in that situation, probably not 60m but quite possibly 30m. You often see it happen, where a manager is not given money to spend, he goes and a new manager gets money to spend!
Having said that, I firmly believe Wenger has a fair sized pot of cash but CHOOSES not to spend it.

[Louder]

If Van Persie and Fabregas dont play at Anfield then thats a disgrace,

If they are not fully fit and sharp I would rather have them not playing, than to play them if they are not ready and risk injury.

I genuinely would agree largely except that there is not the quality in this team as say in some past teams where you could be wiothout Henry and Pires and Bergakmp and still win the biggest matches on the toughest grounds.

That is really the position all of this has boxed us into at this point. Unless we add the key defensive players we need we can't afford to just rest our two best attacking players bar none.

Are you really saying Wenger should field 2 injured players ? WHAT THE FFFFFFFFFF.

[Louder]

I still believe Wenger will make at least two more signings I'm going to give him one more chance!

Then what you gonna do ?