Koscielny...

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I certainly thought that the guy did ok today but by the same token I feel some of the praise he is receiving is a tad exagerrated :o Yes he matched torres for pace buy that wasnt our area of weakness......defending set pieces and crosses in general are our weak spots and he done fcuk all to remedy either of those today.

Good debut, shocking red card but lets hold off on the ticker tape parade for now eh ?

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donaldo wrote:Yes he had a decent game but he wont be playing against a striker like Ngog every week.Will reserve judgement till he passes the Drogba test,Still need to buy a CB
Passes the Drogba test? - he'll be lucky, that guy scores against EVERYONE! :?

I'm more interested to see if he passes the "Bolton test" and the "Stoke (Delap) test" as that's a much fairer barometer than how he does again Drogba, as I would have thought Tony Adams at his best would have his hands full with that bloke! - after all, he's the best in the world of his type.

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xDAVEYx wrote:he had a better debut than chamakh, unlucky to see red at the end. set pieces will give me a heart attack at 23 :banghead:
Fuck, you're only 23?? You are cynical beyond your years :lol:

I was convinced the Gerrard freekick at the end was going in, I was watching between my fingers.

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^^^ Same. It was fucking horrible. :lol:

I think he did very well today.

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very impressed good defender and seemed confident on the ball

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Cesc is God wrote:^^^ Same. It was fucking horrible. :lol:

I think he did very well today.
Tell you what it was even worse at the 1-0 at home a few months ago.

Far easier free-kick too...

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augie wrote:I certainly thought that the guy did ok today but by the same token I feel some of the praise he is receiving is a tad exagerrated :o Yes he matched torres for pace buy that wasnt our area of weakness......defending set pieces and crosses in general are our weak spots and he done fcuk all to remedy either of those today.

Good debut, shocking red card but lets hold off on the ticker tape parade for now eh ?
Agreed...our centre backs looked like they could be outjumped each time, and the defending from set-pieces again was a mess.

It's ok looking comfortbale on the ball, but we are going to be undone, like yesterday, by the same old same old until this impostor that purports to be Wenger is replaced by the one pre 2005.

:banghead:

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SWLGooner wrote:
Cesc is God wrote:^^^ Same. It was fucking horrible. :lol:

I think he did very well today.
Tell you what it was even worse at the 1-0 at home a few months ago.

Far easier free-kick too...
I was right behind that one, felt exactly the same :(

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Lets lay of the lad for a bit.
We all agree we need a strong centre back but I doubt we will get one. With Djourou also available (when fit :roll:) it means we have 3 centre backs. So the 4th? well I can see that being another Silvestre type signing.
A cheap, experienced old head and one that in his age wouldn't mind not playing/or bench filling.

I thought both Vermaelen & Kos had decent games. Legends like TA were never 'great' from day one. In fact Adams was far from it. But Kos has also needs time to adjust to the league. It's one thing playing pre-season but it's another playing in the league.
Not saying that Kos will be a legend but he needs time.

With regards to the crossing and balls in the box. I think the confidence (or lack off) from the GK is a major thing.
Take the free kick (I think) at the end of the game where Chamack had Kuyt by the throat.
In the box and the main area of marking you had: Verm, Kos & Chamack!
We're having to 'double up' on numbers as you can see the team is not confident of the GK coming for the cross.
Have a decent GK and the defenders don't have to worry about doing the job that the Gk should be doing.

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As someone mentioned, Drogba usually bangs in goals against everyone. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say he's just unplayable.

Thought Kos did very well for a debut, looked good in the air. It'll take him time to settle with TV on positioning etc, but the early signs looked promising.

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Boomer wrote:Lets lay of the lad for a bit.
We all agree we need a strong centre back but I doubt we will get one. With Djourou also available (when fit :roll:) it means we have 3 centre backs. So the 4th? well I can see that being another Silvestre type signing.
A cheap, experienced old head and one that in his age wouldn't mind not playing/or bench filling.

I thought both Vermaelen & Kos had decent games. Legends like TA were never 'great' from day one. In fact Adams was far from it. But Kos has also needs time to adjust to the league. It's one thing playing pre-season but it's another playing in the league.
Not saying that Kos will be a legend but he needs time.

With regards to the crossing and balls in the box. I think the confidence (or lack off) from the GK is a major thing.
Take the free kick (I think) at the end of the game where Chamack had Kuyt by the throat.
In the box and the main area of marking you had: Verm, Kos & Chamack!
We're having to 'double up' on numbers as you can see the team is not confident of the GK coming for the cross.
Have a decent GK and the defenders don't have to worry about doing the job that the Gk should be doing.
That's fair enough Boomer, but in the same way some of the praise for koscielny is a little too much the other way and needs balancing.

There are areas where the keeper cannot come into - and the overall defensive effort by the team is woeful. It seems as someone mentioned in another thread that this area of the team is an afterthought, and is treated as such.

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marcengels wrote:
Boomer wrote:Lets lay of the lad for a bit.
We all agree we need a strong centre back but I doubt we will get one. With Djourou also available (when fit :roll:) it means we have 3 centre backs. So the 4th? well I can see that being another Silvestre type signing.
A cheap, experienced old head and one that in his age wouldn't mind not playing/or bench filling.

I thought both Vermaelen & Kos had decent games. Legends like TA were never 'great' from day one. In fact Adams was far from it. But Kos has also needs time to adjust to the league. It's one thing playing pre-season but it's another playing in the league.
Not saying that Kos will be a legend but he needs time.

With regards to the crossing and balls in the box. I think the confidence (or lack off) from the GK is a major thing.
Take the free kick (I think) at the end of the game where Chamack had Kuyt by the throat.
In the box and the main area of marking you had: Verm, Kos & Chamack!
We're having to 'double up' on numbers as you can see the team is not confident of the GK coming for the cross.
Have a decent GK and the defenders don't have to worry about doing the job that the Gk should be doing.
That's fair enough Boomer, but in the same way some of the praise for koscielny is a little too much the other way and needs balancing.

There are areas where the keeper cannot come into - and the overall defensive effort by the team is woeful. It seems as someone mentioned in another thread that this area of the team is an afterthought, and is treated as such.
Oh I'm not praising him as such. Just helping to balance the views.

Dispite his decent game the negatives were:
Strength, I think he got lucky with Torres 1 on 1.
He did pull him then and drag him back but later let go. So it was a foul but......Torres hadn't gone down at this point and it wasn't until after that he let go Torres fell to the floor. So it was essentially a dive.

Pace: That all came from a lack of turn of pace. Torres is fairly quick but he got beat. And Torres isn't back to full fitness (or speed). A different time and he may have been eating dust.
Also Ngog beat him a few times including the goal. I won't pacel the blame to him as it was a collective of errors.

Positioning
I've seen a few times him being caught out. Mainly as pointed out the Ngog virtally free header. Could he have been tighter for the goal?
Maybe but we were in possession at the corner flag.

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potentially the best reader of the game we've had since adams.great to watch him live and see how aware the guy is

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Seems like a decent player...will be interesting to see how he progresses.

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Does he only miss 1 game for the sending off?

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