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tbh I have nothing against Valencia and felt bad for him, but if it was Fletcher or Nevile or Scholes I don't think it would bother me as it would be karma, I don't see Valencia as deserving of that even if he plays for them.

The sadest thing about our recent assaults is that they happend to realy nice guys in Ramsey and Dudu. Why does it not happen to the likes of terry or nevile?

I Hate Hleb wrote:

goonersid wrote: ....I was being honest, if that makes me a sick c**t then so be it. It's easier to post on here and say how concerned you are, and thus make yourself appear to be the humane person you would like others to perceive you as.
I wonder had it been Rooney, Terry or Lampard who had suffered the injury would we have had the same outpouring of sypmathy. Or indeed Ade or Cole.
So wind your necks in, you bunch of fucking hypocrites.

A hypocrite is someone that says something but does the total opposite. There is nothing hypocritical is finding the comments you and mikey made distasteful - not on my behalf anyway.

And some of us don't need to pretend to be 'a humane person' because you'll find the majority of people are just that - certainly in comparison it seems to those that make tactless comments like "I don't care if the fucker never kicks a ball again" or "Feking funny. To be honest I'm quite happy it happened........."

The fact that you claim you were 'just being honest' doesn't automatically give you the high moral ground over people that found the comments distasteful, because that is making the assumption that others weren't being equally as honest in their feelings of disgust for those comments. How could you possibly know?

Hypocrite: def; "Someone who pretends to be what he is not"
There were some on here who have admitted that they would have had no or less of or no problem had the injury been to a different player.
Yet could find revulsion in what I said, that in my mind is hypocritical.
There have been those on here who have wished "death to the likes of Adebayor, yet find my statement offensive, again this is hypocritical.
And whilst indeed I know there are those who would feel pity for any player who gets injured.
As for my comment Valencia never kicking a ball again. I say again I don't care either way whether or not he does. I never said I was glad nor did I wish injury on him.
Were you to give me the power to have Rooney break his neck on Saurday, would I envoke that power? Yes I would. And I'm sorry if you find that offensive.
There is real pain, cruelty, opression, and suffering all over the world. So forgive me if I find a footballer of an opposing team breaking his leg neither here nor there.

goonersid wrote:

I Hate Hleb wrote:

goonersid wrote: ....I was being honest, if that makes me a sick c**t then so be it. It's easier to post on here and say how concerned you are, and thus make yourself appear to be the humane person you would like others to perceive you as.
I wonder had it been Rooney, Terry or Lampard who had suffered the injury would we have had the same outpouring of sypmathy. Or indeed Ade or Cole.
So wind your necks in, you bunch of fucking hypocrites.

A hypocrite is someone that says something but does the total opposite. There is nothing hypocritical is finding the comments you and mikey made distasteful - not on my behalf anyway.

And some of us don't need to pretend to be 'a humane person' because you'll find the majority of people are just that - certainly in comparison it seems to those that make tactless comments like "I don't care if the fucker never kicks a ball again" or "Feking funny. To be honest I'm quite happy it happened........."

The fact that you claim you were 'just being honest' doesn't automatically give you the high moral ground over people that found the comments distasteful, because that is making the assumption that others weren't being equally as honest in their feelings of disgust for those comments. How could you possibly know?

Hypocrite: def; "Someone who pretends to be what he is not"
There were some on here who have admitted that they would have had no or less of or no problem had the injury been to a different player.
Yet could find revulsion in what I said, that in my mind is hypocritical.
There have been those on here who have wished "death to the likes of Adebayor, yet find my statement offensive, again this is hypocritical.
And whilst indeed I know there are those who would feel pity for any player who gets injured.
As for my comment Valencia never kicking a ball again. I say again I don't care either way whether or not he does. I never said I was glad nor did I wish injury on him.
Were you to give me the power to have Rooney break his neck on Saurday, would I envoke that power? Yes I would. And I'm sorry if you find that offensive.
There is real pain, cruelty, opression, and suffering all over the world. So forgive me if I find a footballer of an opposing team breaking his leg neither here nor there.

You are hartless - hookers would go hungry if he could not leave the house.

goonersid wrote:....Hypocrite: def; "Someone who pretends to be what he is not"
There were some on here who have admitted that they would have had no or less of or no problem had the injury been to a different player.
Yet could find revulsion in what I said, that in my mind is hypocritical.
There have been those on here who have wished "death to the likes of Adebayor, yet find my statement offensive, again this is hypocritical.
And whilst indeed I know there are those who would feel pity for any player who gets injured.
As for my comment Valencia never kicking a ball again. I say again I don't care either way whether or not he does. I never said I was glad nor did I wish injury on him.
Were you to give me the power to have Rooney break his neck on Saurday, would I envoke that power? Yes I would. And I'm sorry if you find that offensive.
There is real pain, cruelty, opression, and suffering all over the world. So forgive me if I find a footballer of an opposing team breaking his leg neither here nor there.

Firstly sid, you effectively labelled all of us that criticised your comments as hypocrites and also made the assumption that we'd all be happy if it happened to a Rooney/Terry/Ade et al. Not true. I would never wish such a thing on any of those players - much as I may dislike them.

You later say that some people have wished equally bad, if not worse things on other players. I agree that those comments are just as distasteful, if not more so, than your comments.

However, you'd be more accurate in your accusation of hypocrisy if the charge were restricted to criticism any of those people may have levelled at you. That would have been the true definition of hypocrisy in this case.

Yet you threw that charge out indiscriminately, and I assumed it included the likes of me, seeing as I was the first to make a critical comment on the posts of both yourself and mikey!!!

Trying to justify your comments re: Valencia by claiming you didn't wish him to be injured, while at the same time stating that you 'couldn't give a fuck whether he kicked a ball again', doesn't make them any less disturbing. Even more so when you then follow up with the 'Rooney neck-break wish' scenario!!!

To round it all off, you compare a leg break to bigger everyday tragedies in order to trivialise the complaints, as if somehow that lessens the impact of - and therefore justifies - what some would consider at best, a heartless position on this particular matter. I honestly thought that despite some of your controversial statements on here in the past, you were better than that.