It's all a load of Cannonballs in here! This is the virtual Arsenal pub where you can chat about anything except football. Be warned though, like any pub, the content may not always be suitable for everyone.
mcdowell42 wrote:This is what i love about this forum it starts off as a thread about the poor victim scousers then the usual stuff from USmartin and his theories on the board and now we are fighting the 2nd world war all over again.Brilliant.
McDowell I like you are you're a decent sort, but let's face it when it comes to objectivity you missed that whole semester.
I get the feeling if someone stabbed n=me in the gut, you'd accuse me of assulting their knife with my stomach..
You don't have to agree with or like me, but don't ignore what anyone else says does and focus solely on how I respond or else why should care what you think since well I'm at fault no matter what happens or whether I'm actually at fault, and apparently you weant me to care because otherwise you wouldn't keep at it.
USMartin wrote:You mean about how great our Board is and how it only acts in our best interests and never, ever in its own interests? Not that we have a right to know or anything , right ?
I simply dont care! !
I fixed this for you. Must be something to be proud of then.
Extremely! Don't really care about some two bob yankee telling me how to support my club
Oh that's right - that's what it's about. I'm a Yank. You would be no different if I were born and raised on Avenell Road so don't pretend otherwise. You don't care as you said about what the Board even if it hurts the club and don't use me an excuse for that fact about how you choose to be thank you. Makes you seem incapable of thinking and choosing for yourself. And if that isn't the case than you simply choose not to care about those issues no matter who is discussing them.
BY the way if your grandparents thought round WW2 like this you would be DER EISVERKAUFER 29 now. Guess us no good two-bob yanks were good for something after all
BTW you aren't suggesting that if my name were UKMartin you would actually agree with my positions and be more concerned about what is going on are you?
No, in that case I would have told you that I don't want some two bob *word censored* telling me how support my club.
And looks like your theory on WW2 has already been shown the door.
Not at all,DER EISVERKAUFER , not at all. Not that its that important but as I pointed out Britain would not have survived on its won for long without the U. S. stepping in any circumstance though by the same token the U. S. was greatly dependent upon Britain as well and Britain's involvement certain helped us win a war we may not have won on our own, at least not nearly as easily. I don't need to pretend otherwise, DER EISVERKAUFER.
But I think your second point is absolutely bang-on. You just don't care about the Board not caring how the supporters feel and anyone who challanged you to think otherwise would be a *word censored* in your eyes. I can believe that from you. I wouldn't believe anything else really in fact.
mcdowell42 wrote:This is what i love about this forum it starts off as a thread about the poor victim scousers then the usual stuff from USmartin and his theories on the board and now we are fighting the 2nd world war all over again.Brilliant.
McDowell I like you are you're a decent sort, but let's face it when it comes to objectivity you missed that whole semester.
I get the feeling if someone stabbed n=me in the gut, you'd accuse me of assulting their knife with my stomach..
You don't have to agree with or like me, but don't ignore what anyone else says does and focus solely on how I respond or else why should care what you think since well I'm at fault no matter what happens or whether I'm actually at fault, and apparently you weant me to care because otherwise you wouldn't keep at it.
USMartin wrote:Not at all,DER EISVERKAUFER , not at all. Not that its that important but as I pointed out Britain would not have survived on its won for long without the U. S. stepping in any circumstance though by the same token the U. S. was greatly dependent upon Britain as well and Britain's involvement certain helped us win a war we may not have won on our own, at least not nearly as easily. I don't need to pretend otherwise, DER EISVERKAUFER.
But I think your second point is absolutely bang-on. You just don't care about the Board not caring how the supporters feel and anyone who challanged you to think otherwise would be a c**t in your eyes. I can believe that from you. I wouldn't believe anything else really in fact.
USMartin wrote:Not at all,DER EISVERKAUFER , not at all. Not that its that important but as I pointed out Britain would not have survived on its won for long without the U. S. stepping in any circumstance though by the same token the U. S. was greatly dependent upon Britain as well and Britain's involvement certain helped us win a war we may not have won on our own, at least not nearly as easily. I don't need to pretend otherwise, DER EISVERKAUFER.
But I think your second point is absolutely bang-on. You just don't care about the Board not caring how the supporters feel and anyone who challanged you to think otherwise would be a c**t in your eyes. I can believe that from you. I wouldn't believe anything else really in fact.
Now to try and bring this back to the topic at hand Hicks has done this before. Not just with his debt-leveraged takeover of the Texas Rangers which ended with the club declaring bankruptcy(or going into adminstration) but also as an owner of Corinthians in Brazil where the new stadium he made a commitment to building curiously enough never materialized.
There is a very serious and real danger to any club that is sold in debt-leveraged takeover, or even partially sold in a sale funded from loans rather than the buyers own money where those laons endup on the clus books. And that would include Arsenal, and that is the real lesson here. It's all well and good to take this piss out of socusers and all that but to let that obscure issues that we really should care about is a classic case of spitting into the wind.
Quartz once told me never to underestimate the capacity of our supporters to protest when it was justified. I just hope didn't mean when it was too late. That's as easy to do as it is meaningless.
LyusN1 wrote:Fair play to you Marty boy. I basically HATE the 'you'd be speaking German if it weren't for us' brigade that many Americans seem to belong to - at least many that I personally have met! ....
Very much like some of the British people who like to throw that at citizens of other European countries, don't you think?
Although I admit to having been guilty of saying it myself (singing it actually - to the French Police actually after the CWC defeat in Paris, 1994: 'If it wasn't for the English you'd be Krauts!!' )
USMartin wrote:Not at all,DER EISVERKAUFER , not at all. Not that its that important but as I pointed out Britain would not have survived on its won for long without the U. S. stepping in any circumstance though by the same token the U. S. was greatly dependent upon Britain as well and Britain's involvement certain helped us win a war we may not have won on our own, at least not nearly as easily. I don't need to pretend otherwise, DER EISVERKAUFER.
But I think your second point is absolutely bang-on. You just don't care about the Board not caring how the supporters feel and anyone who challanged you to think otherwise would be a c**t in your eyes. I can believe that from you. I wouldn't believe anything else really in fact.
Thta's all very well, but are you calling Iceman an Ice Cream Seller?
USMartin wrote:Not at all,DER EISVERKAUFER , not at all. Not that its that important but as I pointed out Britain would not have survived on its won for long without the U. S. stepping in any circumstance though by the same token the U. S. was greatly dependent upon Britain as well and Britain's involvement certain helped us win a war we may not have won on our own, at least not nearly as easily. I don't need to pretend otherwise, DER EISVERKAUFER.
But I think your second point is absolutely bang-on. You just don't care about the Board not caring how the supporters feel and anyone who challanged you to think otherwise would be a c**t in your eyes. I can believe that from you. I wouldn't believe anything else really in fact.
Thta's all very well, but are you calling Iceman an Ice Cream Seller?
Why is he calling me an ice cream seller? I dont mind selling ice cream but sales and marketing is not my strong point
USMartin wrote:Not at all,DER EISVERKAUFER , not at all. Not that its that important but as I pointed out Britain would not have survived on its won for long without the U. S. stepping in any circumstance though by the same token the U. S. was greatly dependent upon Britain as well and Britain's involvement certain helped us win a war we may not have won on our own, at least not nearly as easily. I don't need to pretend otherwise, DER .
But I think your second point is absolutely bang-on. You just don't care about the Board not caring how the supporters feel and anyone who challanged you to think otherwise would be a c**t in your eyes. I can believe that from you. I wouldn't believe anything else really in fact.
Thta's all very well, but are you calling Iceman an Ice Cream Seller?
Sorry back to WW2. Just think how many lives ect the USA could of saved if they had acted on British and Chinese Intelligence about Japan?
Yes true the UK would probably of not lasted much longer without the intervention of the U.S milatry and they helped us keep our freedom from the Germans but at a high cost and one that the U.S have used to there advantage over the years. The U.S lend/lease terms were scrapped in 1945(after promising not to do so in 1943) and the UK had to buy any equipment/food ect the U.S had loaned the UK(it was at a reduced rate) this loan was eventually paid off in 2006. The UK had to defer some payments over the years during times of financial hardship. The so called special friendship was mainly a one way friendship with the U.S goverment leaning on the debt owed by the UK
The U.S manufacturing output increased from 30% to 50% of the worlds output after 1945 with Europe being it's main buyer which helped the U.S become the super power it became. Many experts belive the U.S goverment of the 1940's delibratly held back from joining the war in Europe. They were talks held in the U.S to try and broker a deal with Hitler if they thought that a European allied victory would not happen.
Hitler declared war on the U.S in 1941 as he had already made a pact with Japan, Germany could not produce many items needed for it's war machine(mainly rubber) and had made a trade pact with Japan who took control of many rubber plantations ect after invading the Dutch east indies and other countries in the Pacific.
?
