As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
mcdowell42 wrote:Heres an idea dont post and do us all a favour
Here's an idea speak for yourself mate. Others share your views but not as many as you'd like to think I'd bet. Show them a bit of courtesy.
Im not your mate and wouldnt want to be.You are a tosser of the highest order with your out of this world conspiracy theories.I love the board i think they are the best board anyone could ever have.
As to that than you should have some real proof that your trust in the Board is justified, so the floor is yours. Show the proof the manager is refusing to spend money the Board is making available. Show it. Of course then you might have to explain why if this is true the Board has no problem with it whatsoever but I would be happy to see the proof you have.
You don't have such proof and you know it. I have proof to call your faith into question but you have none to defend it other than to avoid actually knowing the facts any chance you have, keeping yourself in the dark because the light is too scary.
As to that than you should have some real proof that your trust in the Board is justified, so the floor is yours. Show the proof the manager is refusing to spend money the Board is making available. Show it. Of course then you might have to explain why if this is true the Board has no problem with it whatsoever but I would be happy to see the proof you have.
You don't have such proof and you know it. I have proof to call your faith into question but you have none to defend it other than to avoid actually knowing the facts any chance you have, keeping yourself in the dark because the light is too scary.
I agree, we must hold the board accountable. What now US???
mcdowell42 wrote:Heres an idea dont post and do us all a favour
Here's an idea speak for yourself mate. Others share your views but not as many as you'd like to think I'd bet. Show them a bit of courtesy.
Im not your mate and wouldnt want to be.You are a tosser of the highest order with your out of this world conspiracy theories.I love the board i think they are the best board anyone could ever have.
As to that than you should have some real proof that your trust in the Board is justified, so the floor is yours. Show the proof the manager is refusing to spend money the Board is making available. Show it. Of course then you might have to explain why if this is true the Board has no problem with it whatsoever but I would be happy to see the proof you have.
You don't have such proof and you know it. I have proof to call your faith into question but you have none to defend it other than to avoid actually knowing the facts any chance you have, keeping yourself in the dark because the light is too scary.
I agree, we must hold the board accountable. What now US???
You know what - the petition you all used to try to match gag sigs on is still there. A serious petition - whatever it accomplishes - will accomplish more than silence from us other than arguing amongst ourselves - or waiting till the boat is sunk to decide it may be sinking after all.
We don't need insicere signatures or fake signatures - we want and we need siincerely concerned Gooners who feel we deserve a better explanation of the direction of the club going forward from here.
mcdowell42 wrote:Heres an idea dont post and do us all a favour
Here's an idea speak for yourself mate. Others share your views but not as many as you'd like to think I'd bet. Show them a bit of courtesy.
Im not your mate and wouldnt want to be.You are a tosser of the highest order with your out of this world conspiracy theories.I love the board i think they are the best board anyone could ever have.
As to that than you should have some real proof that your trust in the Board is justified, so the floor is yours. Show the proof the manager is refusing to spend money the Board is making available. Show it. Of course then you might have to explain why if this is true the Board has no problem with it whatsoever but I would be happy to see the proof you have.
You don't have such proof and you know it. I have proof to call your faith into question but you have none to defend it other than to avoid actually knowing the facts any chance you have, keeping yourself in the dark because the light is too scary.
I agree, we must hold the board accountable. What now US???
You know what - the petition you all used to try to match gag sigs on is still there. A serious petition - whatever it accomplishes - will accomplish more than silence from us other than arguing amongst ourselves - or waiting till the boat is sunk to decide it may be sinking after all.
We don't need insicere signatures or fake signatures - we want and we need siincerely concerned Gooners who feel we deserve a better explanation of the direction of the club going forward from here.
Afraid to say that if you are genuinely concerned about something, a petition will do pretty much fuck all. It's up there with a facebook group for its effectiveness. The only thing that could spark change is revenue going down. If people really dislike the board, don't go to games, don't buy merchandise etc and, if enough people did this (which they wouldn't) then they would get concerned. A few signatures (even a few thousand signatures) would make absolutely no difference. If hitting the board in the pocket is the best form of expressing displeasure, people then have to ask "am I that displeased?". Many people probably want a few signings, but not many probably feel that strongly that the club is in desperate need of a change of direction that they are actually prepared to give up watching the club/ buying the merchandise etc, especially when you are still very much in 4 competitions!
I remember seeing a petition, can't remember exactly what it was about, but it was something about wanting to see more done to protect some animal of some sort. Thousands of signatures. I told the bloke who asked me to sign it that I didn't want to. "Do you not care?" was his response. My reply was that I do care (slightly, it was a fairly shit animal tbh, I wasn't that fussed but I'm just using this as an example), but that if people really care they shouldn't sign a bullshit petition, they should do something useful like donating to an animal charity or, in this case, refuse to support the club financially until the board change or are removed. Of those thousands of people who cared enough to sign a petition, I wonder how many actually got off their arses and did something proactive? No doubt very few, and that is why the board will never give a fuck about a petition.
I think you make some valid points safctm, but I also think the success or failure of a petition depends on some other factors.
First off the goal of the petition. I deally a petition might influence changes in some of the policies we have all been discussing and debating without requiring further actionsd such as those you suggest. To me the goal of the petition is short of that intitial desire simply to establish how concerned in fact the Board is about how the supporters feel, and how willing to the Board is to address the supporters concerns and how candid there are willing to be in doing so.
Second would be whether you simply submit the petition to the Board. In other words a peition can be presented to people other than the Board so they become curious about it, such as in the media. The Board will have a much tougher time dealing with this if the media are aware of it than they will if we simply submit it and wait hopefully.
Finally and this is where you are bang-on after the petition if we are not statisfied with the Board's response then we can explore some of the further steps you correctly suggest. A petition can potentially give us access to a group of people willing to just that.
Unless you are very lucky any petition is just a starting point - if it accomplishes more than we should expect or hope great, otherwise it is a first step, not a last.
I'll just add this this if we are willing to do nothing nothing will change, A petition my not change anything but it may, and if it doesn't on its own we will them be ready and willing to consider further steps...
USMartin wrote:I'll just add this this if we are willing to do nothing nothing will change, A petition my not change anything but it may, and if it doesn't on its own we will them be ready and willing to consider further steps...
I suppose a petition could be sent to the media, but unless it was a massive petition signed by many thousands of people, I doubt the media would look at it. To be honest, I think there are genuine concerns that Gooners can hold regarding lack of investment in the playing side of things, but surely you must realise that the reaction you would get if you were to go to press with a petition effectively slagging off the board would widely be one of ridicule? After all, most outsiders think the Arsenal are an example to hold up showing how a football club should be ran compared to the likes of City and Chelsea. People would mock the Arsenal fans for slagging off their board when they are second in the league, in the knockout stages of the CL, in the league cup final and still in the FA Cup as strong favourites to make the QF. Like I say, I think there are some genuine concerns, but people would see it as a bunch of fans who have been spoiled by "recent" successes acting up because they have had to go 5 years without a trophy. It would raise awareness, but I think the majority of people would completely disregard it and see it as plastic Sky boy fans moaning when they have it better than 99% of other football fans, and this reaction would, if anything, make the board feel even more comfortable about the choices it has been making
