I agree that the scarves looked ok when all the fans have them but it all seems a bit docile to me - I am a big american football fan and I admire the way the pittsburgh steeler fans do their thing with their "terrible towels". They seem to wave them in an angrier/passionate type of way that whips up the crowd where as we just seem to sway from side to side with them in a way that might well look good for the tv camera's but do fcuk all for the atmosphere which, unless I am mistaken, they were meant to improve.
With this club nowadays everything is about image so looking like a nice homely type of club will do wonders for the pr of the club but will do nothing to make our ground seem hostile to the opposition - as fans I would expect redaction to be aware of that and relay this to the club cos sometimes doing nothing is better than running with a half arsed idea that the genuine passionate fan is embarassed by and wont partake in
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I find the whole thing of laying out flags and scarves on seats embarassing, I remember laughing at the Chavs when they did it in order to try and match the atmosphere at Anfield. Thinking at the time our club would never lower themselves to do that. 
I suppose it reflects the typical jcl supporter the club now attracts that flags ans scarves need to be provided.
I suppose it reflects the typical jcl supporter the club now attracts that flags ans scarves need to be provided.
I really don't get why you say the club giving out scarves/flags is embarassing.goonersid wrote:I find the whole thing of laying out flags and scarves on seats embarassing, I remember laughing at the Chavs when they did it in order to try and match the atmosphere at Anfield. Thinking at the time our club would never lower themselves to do that.
I suppose it reflects the typical jcl supporter the club now attracts that flags ans scarves need to be provided.
People complain about the atmoshpehere being bad and the club not doing anything about it, and yet when they do provide flags/scarves, people like you have a go at them for doing it.
Like you say, if there are some people at the grove that would be more passionate having a scarf or a flag to wave around and if the club providing the flags/scarves allows 5,000 extra people to become more vocal then that's 5,000 more contributing to the atmosphere than before, which is surely a good thing?
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To match the atmosphere at Anfield all you need to do is turn up the P.A system. Most of this famous "Anfield atmosphere" is a load of bullshit anyway. It's as quiet as anywhere else especially when they're getting beatgoonersid wrote:I find the whole thing of laying out flags and scarves on seats embarassing, I remember laughing at the Chavs when they did it in order to try and match the atmosphere at Anfield. Thinking at the time our club would never lower themselves to do that.
I suppose it reflects the typical jcl supporter the club now attracts that flags ans scarves need to be provided.
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I am referring to European nights when there a loads of mousers with flags and scarves, which haven't had to be handed out for the occasion.BRAZILLIANT 19 wrote:To match the atmosphere at Anfield all you need to do is turn up the P.A system. Most of this famous "Anfield atmosphere" is a load of bullshit anyway. It's as quiet as anywhere else especially when they're getting beatgoonersid wrote:I find the whole thing of laying out flags and scarves on seats embarassing, I remember laughing at the Chavs when they did it in order to try and match the atmosphere at Anfield. Thinking at the time our club would never lower themselves to do that.
I suppose it reflects the typical jcl supporter the club now attracts that flags ans scarves need to be provided.
I am fully aware that they are as quiet mousers for most other games.
As for mm9 comments, the thing is these 5000 fans you talk about, will be silent as soon as things start to go wrong, and will most likely be on the tube home with their flag and scarf welll before the final whistle blows.
You can't create passion by handing out free gifts. And only passion can create atmosphere.
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I know many people would find it embarassing but I have always liked the idea of a fan (pref an old school type of fan) with a mega phone down amongst the fans (maybe in redaction end) and getting the chanting going. Some will without doubt find that lame but it works well amongst the various ultra groups in italian football and nobody can call those fans lame and I think they also do it in south america and they are some of the most passionate atmospheres in football 
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Lame. As. Fuck.augie wrote:I know many people would find it embarassing but I have always liked the idea of a fan (pref an old school type of fan) with a mega phone down amongst the fans (maybe in redaction end) and getting the chanting going. Some will without doubt find that lame but it works well amongst the various ultra groups in italian football and nobody can call those fans lame and I think they also do it in south america and they are some of the most passionate atmospheres in football
The Ultras are twats - all that choreographed shite? Pitiful.
Also, those "Latin" style atmospheres are NOTHING like a good old Engerlish football atmosphere at all. Fucking drums and horns (steady kingjayson) and all that old bollocks...?
No.
and in germany. it works very well just at getting a song going. in my experience, songs start spontaneously enough over here but by the time people in the next block have joined in with any real conviction it's sped up and tailing off. if there is just one nutter broadcasting the first line and people are willing enough, the song will start off stronger. until an entire lower tier end is fully partisan and up for it though, it'll never have the impact we'd all like.augie wrote:I know many people would find it embarassing but I have always liked the idea of a fan (pref an old school type of fan) with a mega phone down amongst the fans (maybe in redaction end) and getting the chanting going. Some will without doubt find that lame but it works well amongst the various ultra groups in italian football and nobody can call those fans lame and I think they also do it in south america and they are some of the most passionate atmospheres in football
that's the fundamental problem; those who want to make all the noise outside of blocks 5/6 are dotted around among the lesser-vocal types (not necessarily day-trippers or tourists or tarquins, there are plenty miserable old bastards who do nothing but moan about the side and probably have done for the past 30 years...). THIS is the sort of thing the redaction lads should be trying to achieve, not 60 odd thousand flags to stir up some colour, get the club to identify the need to group the like-minded right across the north end, not just a corner. i admire the lads who try and get things done and give up their time in order to make things happen, the problem is that there (appears to the average gooner) is no real structure to the organisation, no figurehead and no real desire (i said it APPEARS so btw) to take on the club, grab it by the balls and say 'this is how we want it to be'.
can fans achieve such a thing? probably not over night. but with the elevation of a figurehead, spartacus-like capo (s'what they call 'em in germany/italy/poland wherever) to gain support among the fans and to get them on side redaction would have so much more clout than (it appears) they do. then they could (ideally) make stuff happen on their terms, not the club's... in an ideal world.
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