THAT'S IT

[USMartin]

And you think the selection of thos players has nothing to do with mooney made available not simply to sign new players but to pay and keep the players already here?

The budget exists to strengthen the squad.

We could have new players on same wages who would enhance the squad.

It is up to Wenger.

Before we even think about a big money striker signing that could be made from profits, how about keeping wage costs the same and replacing?

Bendtner with Piquionne

Arshavin with Marin

Denilson with Annan

Sell off Vela, Squillachi, Diaby, Rosicky, Traore, Watt, Randall, Eboue and we could use the £13M or so raised in transfer fees plus money saved in wages to buy Gary Cahill too.

I agree with last paragraph though I am not so high on Gary Cahill myself but agree all those players just aren't up to it. I could keep Diaby if I had more all-around quality in the squad and maybe Eboue for his versatility but that is it at most.

Besides we are selling Cesc so why worry about all that. We should get 30-40 million for him alone so we should have if we follow your suggestion up to 55 million available plus whatever is already available to the manager now.

As to your comparisons, maybe valid maybe not. But the only really valid one would be the most debatable which is Arshavin/Marin and the reason it would be valid is that you have to look at both wages and transfer fee.
In the other cases we paid far lower transfer fees and now are overpaying them based on their performance.

Thge thing about all this is if they do not restructure the wages properly it doesn't matter who is available - if we are unable to match their wages or the wages on offer from other suitors we will not sign the players we could, no matter what we are able or willing to pay to buy them from their clubs.

Why do you think we have so few Bosmans since we bought Sol Campbell? The answer is simple - we do not want to pay the wages needed to sign those players or else we will have to pay higher wages at the top end of the scale which costs more money and also means we might be abale to signtraditional transfers on those wages which costs even more money then.

As long as we won't pay top wages we can get away with not spending big and still deny we don't want to spend more. It's a con and a calculated one on the supporters. If that is wrong show me all those those bigger-wage players we signed since 2006.

In fact I would say we overpay these players to make the wage bill look bigger so the false claim that we pay our best players as much as everyone else or at least as much as we should can be made. Again show me the proof I am wrong.

Oh that's right there is no need for proof of that because the Board is right no matter what.

[MegaGooner]

And you think the selection of thos players has nothing to do with mooney made available not simply to sign new players but to pay and keep the players already here?

The budget exists to strengthen the squad.

We could have new players on same wages who would enhance the squad.

It is up to Wenger.

Before we even think about a big money striker signing that could be made from profits, how about keeping wage costs the same and replacing?

Bendtner with Piquionne

Arshavin with Marin

Denilson with Annan

Sell off Vela, Squillachi, Diaby, Rosicky, Traore, Watt, Randall, Eboue and we could use the £13M or so raised in transfer fees plus money saved in wages to buy Gary Cahill too.

Good choices Quartz, but the whole lot in your last paragraph, if we couldn't get Cahill, I would swop for Scott Parker and James Tompkins at Wham. Surely Wham, even if they stay up, will need some extra cash?

[TeeCee]

I won't be attending games next year either. I will make every effort to sell my ticket on to someone else as I want it when Wenger fucks off. I love Arsenal, always have and always will but I CANNOT support this negligent fool that is fucking up my club. I have been attending games since 1971 and have had a season ticket since 1980.
It's not about winning trophies at all, it's about the following:

The negligence shown by Wenger year after year

The negligence shown by the board year after year for allowing Wenger to carry on unabated

The continued pandering to, and reward of, sub-standard players who do not deserve to wear the shirt

The thought that my hard earned wages are helping pay Wenger, Diaby, Denilson, Bendtner, Eboue, Squillaci and Rosicky is making me feel sick

The continuing lies and bullshit from Wenger are disgraceful

The sheer lack of effort and passion in a large part of our squad is totally unaccetpable

There's probably more but I'm still too wound up and livid to even think about it anymore. Until Wenger goes I will have to stay away. I hate the man with more passion than I've seen displayed by any player this season.
I still love the Arsenal, but Arsenal are NOT Arsene Wenger!

[QuartzGooner]

In fact I would say we overpay these players to make the wage bill look bigger so the false claim that we pay our best players as much as everyone else or at least as much as we should can be made. Again show me the proof I am wrong.

Oh that's right there is no need for proof of that because the Board is right no matter what.

That is such a bizarre and unproveable thing to say.

(I could write "There is a planet 8 million light years away which is made of cheese.
Prove to me I am wrong".)

All it does is provide evidence of the boardroom conspiracy that exists in your mind, and nothing else whatsoever.

TeeCee - but if you do not let the club know someone else is in your seat, then they will not realise you are boycotting them.
Frustrated too, but I just cannot boycott, even if I am frustrated with Wenger.

Mega - Scott Parker yes, would take him on a two year deal. Tomkins useful as cover for Sagna and give him a season to develop more and then challenge for central defensive position.

[USMartin]

In fact I would say we overpay these players to make the wage bill look bigger so the false claim that we pay our best players as much as everyone else or at least as much as we should can be made. Again show me the proof I am wrong.

Oh that's right there is no need for proof of that because the Board is right no matter what.

That is such a bizarre and unproveable thing to say.

(I could write "There is a planet 8 million light years away which is made of cheese.
Prove to me I am wrong".)

All it does is provide evidence of the boardroom conspiracy that exists in your mind, and nothing else whatsoever.

TeeCee - but if you do not let the club know someone else is in your seat, then they will not realise you are boycotting them.
Frustrated too, but I just cannot boycott, even if I am frustrated with Wenger.

Mega - Scott Parker yes, would take him on a two year deal. Tomkins useful as cover for Sagna and give him a season to develop more and then challenge for central defensive position.

You don't even care if its true you worship the idea of Arsenal's almost Divine right to be special and unique from oither clubs and would let the Board run Arsenal out of business rather than question or criticize them. You have not one jot of objkectivity or credibbility where the Board is concerned. I am sorry but I don't trust you to offer objective proof a anything because you need no proof to prove what you believe and ignore proof that does not support that.

Like I say you don't care whether I am right or wrong you just want to preserve your fantasy that Arsenal are special and the people who run it are special and better and will ignore anything that threatens to change that.You don't want to know the truth because what you want to believe is more important to you. I want to know the truth whatever it is because Arsenal is more important to me.

And don't tell me you know the truth because in fact you know no more than me about the Board or the Board Room, so all you're going by is your own set of facts which simply consist of financial figures that prove nothing on their own (other than we have a healthy amount of money), the Board claims unsupported by any actions on their part, the bloggers version of why Ashley Cole left (ignoring the Premier League Investigation since it doesn't support you) and enterainment blogs versions of why Sol didn't re-sign this year(As opposed to an interview he gave to ESPN on why he left because again it doesn't support you). And if you need I produce your own words confirming all of that.

I feel badly almost because you a smart literate guy who has a decent sense of humor and eclectic tastes (and that's a compliment) in your music from what I see but you just seem well like one of those people whocan't admit that we should not have invaded Iraq and that Our President and his administration deliberately lied to get us into an unecessary war. Hell you're let's wait fifty years before we judge the re-development of Highbury sounds cribbed from the Bush Administration playbook, and the way you will offer anyreason to justify their policies even when they contradict one another reminds of all the "real" reasons we now are told we invaded Iraq.

Anyway I hate calling you out but in my mind whether you realize it or not you are helping Arsenal in anyway with this bull. I might be wrong but what will you say if I'm right? Actually I know - you'll say as little as possible and try to make some new excuse up when you do. But hwo will you actually feel if I am about what happened to your club as a result?

[supergeorgegraham]

Wenger wont resign he has not got the balls too.

[storrmin571]

Our motto should not be victoria concordia concrescit but underachievers and proud of it.

If I wanted to follow underachievers I would nip down to cardiff city. Not follow Arsenal.

[highburyJD]

II will always love Arsenal but if anyone can just watch this meltdown of the past 6 years and say but we're still a big club, they need their heads checked!!! It's appauling!

in that period we got to our only European cup Final
and had our best ever results in that, the most prestigous, competition
it's at least arguable that period has made us a BIGGER club

everyone is entitled to their own opinion
and I would ship out several of our players that our manager seems to have faith in

every fan of every club in the world has players they want to get rid of (most mancs would ship out a significant portion of those that beat us last night)
we had a miracle team of all XI class players under wenger, we were hugely spoilt (although people around me still hated gilberto and lauren, the type of players I would LOVE to have now)

the reality is fans of pretty much any team in any sport would look at where Arsenal are (game in hand to go top of their league)
then hear fans saying they are gonna stop supporting the club
that they actually actively hate the manager of players
and they would crack up laughing
it's childish and pathetic

we can win the league and you want to boycott the club till the manager goes
we can still win the league and hatred of the players who can win it would undermine it for you?!?!
these are just rantings of (justifiably) disappointed people
but foolish statements nonetheless

IMO Kos and Chesnay will go on to be great players for Arsenal, the Brum mistake was an aberation they can learn from.
Bendtner had a chance to knock out Barca (I think one of the greatest sides in history)
I think Nik will go on to be a very good player, probably in Germany
Wenger selected those players, he takes responsibility for that
but he didn't ask them to make those pretty basic errors
these are tiny details
(v sunderland and arguably barca bad ref decisions also hurt us)
last night we weren't good enough, I think we suffered psychologically from the last couple of weeks disapointments
that said their keeper was MOTM

we went to the team top of the league and their keeper was MOTM
we were beaten by the best team in the world (one of the best teams ever) after missing a late chance to knock them out
we disapointingly lost a couple final after a last minute error
- FOR THE MAJORITY OF FOOTBALL SUPPORTERS IN THIS COUNTRY ANY ONE OF THOSE THREE GAMES WOULD ARGUABLY BE THEIR HIGHEST EVER POINT AS A FAN

reacting to them by saying you quit as a fan is embarrasing

[flash gunner]

USMartin = Wenger apologist

Thats it Marty keep clouding the real issues but all this board bollocks

[LDB]

See ya.

I just hope next time we have a big/glamour match, or if we find ourselves in the title race you dont retake your seat. Put it on the TX and let those red members have it who have to feed off sunderland/blackpool/west ham etc at home only to have everyone decide that they can be bothered to turn up when the sun is shining.

[flash gunner]

I'VE HAD FUCKING ENOUGH!!!

I used to stick by Wenger non-stop, non-fucking stop and really thought this would be it! Today after the injustice of midweek, I thought we'd batter that 2 bob line-up that Fergie put out, but no. We have no bollox bottle or anything!!

I'm 25 now, been a season ticket holder since the age of 7, yep 7, and this year I won't be renewing. I am not even turning up to the next home game! I used to love this club, and have travelled all over the world to see them. When your fans of Blackburns and Bolton go, you're joking, I'd like to see that every week! What us make up the fucking numbers and get out witted by eveyone in football whilst paying for a ticket what they pay for 10, whilst their clubs spend more money than us??! No chance.

Think Arsene was very lucky in the beginning now when I look at it! Inherited a great defence, and back bone, Bergkamps etc and David Dein used to make sure he'd spend, now he's got free reign, we're absolutely inept! Buy three proper players in Jan and we'd have won the Carling Cup at least and probs been in either the Champs League or FA cup still and gone onto win the Prem. Now we'll win fuck all!!!

Fuming! Tada from me Arsenal!!! All you'll get is my Sky subscription!! So pissed off right now!

HERES JONNY!!!!!

Welcome to the realist club Jonny

[marcengels]

See ya.

I just hope next time we have a big/glamour match, or if we find ourselves in the title race you dont retake your seat. Put it on the TX and let those red members have it who have to feed off sunderland/blackpool/west ham etc at home only to have everyone decide that they can be bothered to turn up when the sun is shining.

And when we have a game against, ooo, lets says Partizan, how many season ticket holders still turn up? A lot. How many tickets are left after general sale, and how many tickets were left on here that couldn't be given away?

People without season tickets also have the bonus of not bothering with dead rubbers/end of season nothings....and have for years. So it goes both ways.

[SWLGooner]

Well this is certainly an interesting one.

I honestly can't say the OP made me think, just laugh... because for all of us (to be honest even SAFCFTM, he's just in the closet about it) know that 10 or 20 years down the line, we'll still be Arsenal and there is nothing we can do about it.

I think my perspective is gonna be somewhat different. As those who know me can verify, I didn't see the mid-80s. I was 10 when we last won something, at which age you don't really know what it means, and certainly doesn't mean a lot when you have seen the Wenger era.

I've never seen Arsenal under anyone but Arsene. Yet, I think we have to push on and win the league or we should begin to look for a replacement; if Jose falls out with Real or if Hiddink begins to get sick of Turkey we cannot afford to pass up that sort of opportunity.

Alternatively, Guardiola, Stojkovic or Deschamps are good alternatives that fit with the club's image. Deschamps can be "bought" for just under 3m from Marseille and would jump at the chance to come here. Don't know much about Stojkovic but AW rates him, and Guardiola I think is not leaving Barca any time soon, but will come here eventually.

[TeeCee]

It makes me laugh when people say 'others will be more than happy to take your ticket...blah blah blah. This season, when quite a few season tickets became available, THOUSANDS of people on the waiting list turned the offer DOWN, for whatever reason. I'm sure there are quite a few that would love to go to games but there are plenty who bang on about not being able to go but then find any excuse possible when tickets are available.
Fact is, when you pay a very large sum of money to see under achieving, sub standard players strut around the pitch week on week with hardly a care in the world, and you have a manager who not only ALLOWS this to happen week on week, year on year but he also REWARDS said players, it can eventually get too much to bear. It's not the football club, it's the personnel within the club that are the problem. I support Arsenal Football Club, not Arsene Wenger FC.
This football club thinks of itself as a top European club, it supposedly has ambitions of being the best. Well you CANNOT be the best by doing things on the cheap and by rewarding failure. No business in the world can do that. There as to come a point where Wenger admits he is wrong (will never happen), or the board realize that we are in serious danger of dropping out of the 'elite' with Wenger at the helm. That is a lot more likely and can't come soon enough for this Gooner.

[TeeCee]

It makes me laugh when people say 'others will be more than happy to take your ticket...blah blah blah. This season, when quite a few season tickets became available, THOUSANDS of people on the waiting list turned the offer DOWN, for whatever reason. I'm sure there are quite a few that would love to go to games but there are plenty who bang on about not being able to go but then find any excuse possible when tickets are available.
Fact is, when you pay a very large sum of money to see under achieving, sub standard players strut around the pitch week on week with hardly a care in the world, and you have a manager who not only ALLOWS this to happen week on week, year on year but he also REWARDS said players, it can eventually get too much to bear. It's not the football club, it's the personnel within the club that are the problem. I support Arsenal Football Club, not Arsene Wenger FC.
This football club thinks of itself as a top European club, it supposedly has ambitions of being the best. Well you CANNOT be the best by doing things on the cheap and by rewarding failure. No business in the world can do that. There as to come a point where Wenger admits he is wrong (will never happen), or the board realize that we are in serious danger of dropping out of the 'elite' with Wenger at the helm. That is a lot more likely and can't come soon enough for this Gooner.