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Irish Gooner wrote:

Perryashburtongroves wrote:Yeah, who the fuck do we think we are, letting British soldiers parade at a football ground in London? God, the cheek of that, .

They can parade them were they want.
But why wait until we play Celtic, to stir emotion and anger clearly..

British troops are allowed into the Emirates regularly,not just when Celtic play there! Why do they assume that the world is against them,and it was done deliberately to "insult" them?
Like it or not,Arsenal is an English/British football club,and Celtic is allegedly a Scottish/British football club!

I seriously wish both clubs would just fuck off i dont have time for either of them. Religion/Political views have no place in football and the fact that the two clubs sing song about stuff from history that didnt even happen on their island makes me laugh. Both clubs are as vile as each other and have become little more than a symbol of Anti-Irish and Anti-Britishness.

As for Lennon getting all the flack it is bang out of order and is pretty sick but the guy has to help himself and be the bigger man for the sake of his family. Walking of the pitch cupping his hands to his ears is pretty daft especially after the events of the weeks before.

Yeah bang on Deise. Two horrible clubs...




The amount of stick twats give out for daring to suggest Lennon may be just the slightest bit irresponsible is fucking amazing! *word censored*!

safcftm wrote:

goonersid wrote:They are certainly making a great case for themselves to be allowed to play in the English Premier League, if they had little chance before, then they have even less now, which is one positive to come out of their recent confrontations.
I was listening to a Scottish police chief on 5 live following the big riot at one of their recent games, he said their had been over 200 stabbings in the 12 hours following, which could be directly linked to the game.
They are the scum.

Regardless of whether they allow Rangers in, Celtic should never even be considered. I see the IRA chants came out again last night- speak to Celtic fans and they go on about how Rangers are the bad ones and they're great and there was no bother in Seville etc. Aye, great, they still dont allow British soldiers to attend matches in uniform, have anti poppy displays, boo soldiers at the emirates and boo minutes silences and they still chant about the IRA. If anyone was ever stupid enough to let those horrible bastards into the Premier League the Celtic fans would very quickly wish they hadnt. Both of them are a set of c**ts tbh

Mate I like most of your posts on this forum but that post is bullshit and lobsided in its views. I have said in the past and will continue to say that religion and politics has no place in sport and I totally oppose any IRA chanting at any match however lets look at the other side as well -

1. Who is the only old firm club to be fined and be ordered to play games without their own fans as a result of sectarian chanting ?

2. Who is the old firm that classes itself as 100% british yet wreaks havoc everytime they venture down onto english soil ?

3. Who was the only old firm club that up until the late 1980's refused to sign any catholic player ? Yes this club was ready and willing to discriminate against their own fellow scotsmen on the basis of what god they prayed to so this dispute of theirs isnt confined to Ireland/Irish For the life of me I could never understand how the scottish fa, the british goverment, uefa and fifa could turn a blind eye to this bullshit discriminating and sectarian policy for decades when it wasnt even being hid away Down through the years celtic have had a whole host of protestants play for them without any backlash (daglish and danny mc grain are 2 I can think of from top of my head) so as a club I dont think you can label celtic as bigoted.

That being said, and I made this point earlier, both clubs have done nowhere near enough to stamp out this bullshit behaviour from their own fans. IRA chants, anti catholic chants or whatever should be stamped out without hesitation and the fans responsible should be punished in the most severe way possible and that applies to both sets of fans.

Anyway I appear to have gone off on a tangent because I got wound up reading comments that are as one sided as those you would hear from the old firm fans. I have no problem with you slating celtic fans mate but dont stand there and defend or totally ignore the equally offensive shit from the rangers fans......both are equally guilty and should be held equally accountable

safcftm wrote:Regardless of whether they allow Rangers in, Celtic should never even be considered. I see the IRA chants came out again last night- speak to Celtic fans and they go on about how Rangers are the bad ones and they're great and there was no bother in Seville etc. Aye, great, they still dont allow British soldiers to attend matches in uniform, have anti poppy displays, boo soldiers at the emirates and boo minutes silences and they still chant about the IRA. If anyone was ever stupid enough to let those horrible bastards into the Premier League the Celtic fans would very quickly wish they hadnt. Both of them are a set of c**ts tbh

I'd say the exact opposite. When Celtic are in London, their fans are just up for a piss up, mingling with other football fans and - as far as I can tell - harmless. Met a bunch of Rangers fans in a pub - sectarian cocksuckers, covered in tattoos depicting battles, claiming to be Chelsea headhunters, looking for a fight (just because we liked football and didn't all support Chelsea and or Rangers).

Saying that, the Premier League doesn't need either of them teams - and even if they joined, I guarantee both would be relegated within 5 years.

augie wrote:

safcftm wrote:

goonersid wrote:They are certainly making a great case for themselves to be allowed to play in the English Premier League, if they had little chance before, then they have even less now, which is one positive to come out of their recent confrontations.
I was listening to a Scottish police chief on 5 live following the big riot at one of their recent games, he said their had been over 200 stabbings in the 12 hours following, which could be directly linked to the game.
They are the scum.

Regardless of whether they allow Rangers in, Celtic should never even be considered. I see the IRA chants came out again last night- speak to Celtic fans and they go on about how Rangers are the bad ones and they're great and there was no bother in Seville etc. Aye, great, they still dont allow British soldiers to attend matches in uniform, have anti poppy displays, boo soldiers at the emirates and boo minutes silences and they still chant about the IRA. If anyone was ever stupid enough to let those horrible bastards into the Premier League the Celtic fans would very quickly wish they hadnt. Both of them are a set of c**ts tbh

Mate I like most of your posts on this forum but that post is bullshit and lobsided in its views. I have said in the past and will continue to say that religion and politics has no place in sport and I totally oppose any IRA chanting at any match however lets look at the other side as well -

1. Who is the only old firm club to be fined and be ordered to play games without their own fans as a result of sectarian chanting ?

2. Who is the old firm that classes itself as 100% british yet wreaks havoc everytime they venture down onto english soil ?

3. Who was the only old firm club that up until the late 1980's refused to sign any catholic player ? Yes this club was ready and willing to discriminate against their own fellow scotsmen on the basis of what god they prayed to so this dispute of theirs isnt confined to Ireland/Irish For the life of me I could never understand how the scottish fa, the british goverment, uefa and fifa could turn a blind eye to this bullshit discriminating and sectarian policy for decades when it wasnt even being hid away Down through the years celtic have had a whole host of protestants play for them without any backlash (daglish and danny mc grain are 2 I can think of from top of my head) so as a club I dont think you can label celtic as bigoted.

That being said, and I made this point earlier, both clubs have done nowhere near enough to stamp out this bullshit behaviour from their own fans. IRA chants, anti catholic chants or whatever should be stamped out without hesitation and the fans responsible should be punished in the most severe way possible and that applies to both sets of fans.

Anyway I appear to have gone off on a tangent because I got wound up reading comments that are as one sided as those you would hear from the old firm fans. I have no problem with you slating celtic fans mate but dont stand there and defend or totally ignore the equally offensive shit from the rangers fans......both are equally guilty and should be held equally accountable

Top post Augie!

Augie, wrote my last post before reading yours, but you pretty much summed up my feelings.

Both are *word censored*.

end of.

Nothing justifies attacking him, or any of the threats of violence towards him, and the sad point is it proves that sectarianism in scotland isnt just a rangers/celtic thing, but a nation wide problem.

But Lennon really hasnt conducted himself it the best way considering the circumstances he is well aware of, hopefully these event will see him tone it down a bit.

There is one reason all this has gone so far. Religion.

One of my favorite authors once said

"Religious freedom should work two ways: we should be free to practice the religion of our choice, but we must also be free from having someone else's religion practiced on us."

The problem with the Auld firm is that few if any of them are in fact religious in any way,they worship beer and bigotry.

I'm glad he wasn't hurt ,there's been enough assassinations of the Lennon's.

augie wrote:? Yes this club was ready and willing to discriminate against their own fellow scotsmen on the basis of what god they prayed to

Same god, they just worship different human institutions.

Even more baffling

I must say i have no time for either of them so i havent picked a side but on British soil we can parade British soldiers wherever we bloody well like. (this point isnt aimed at you )

safcftm wrote:

Irish Gooner wrote:
Bla bla bla

You could say the same for Unionists in NI. Why dont they "go home" etc?

Fact is there homes are where they are now, Glasgow or NI or otherwise.

You must have missed the good friday agreement whereby the people of Northern Ireland have the right to call themselves either Irish or British, hence they can be unionists and still call NI home. Supporting a terrorist organisation is, however, a crime, and isnt allowed in Britain. So actually you're wrong, you couldnt say the same for unionists in NI. And I didnt tell them to go "home" anyway, I merely said they shouldnt attend matches in Britain if they dont want to see British soldiers in British football grounds- we'll ban Celtic fans before we ban our own soldiers

Er... excuse me - I'm no Celtic lover (hate the club) but that is incorrect. Have you not heard of the UVF and the UDA? The Shankill Butchers?

Would agree though that the British people have the right to parade their own soldiers wherever in Britain they like. Accepted, it is silly and inflamatory to do it in front of beered up Cletic fans, but that does not change the fact that it is their right to do so.

This whole old firm argument pops up on here every few months and to be honest it's just the same old rhetoric and uninformed generalisations being posted each time.

The fact is both sets of fans have their fair share of cuntbag brainless sectarian scum, just as both sets of fans include decent non-bigotted people too.

A manager of a football club is "attcked" by a supporter of a rival football club and low and behold he was in the wrong! Wheel out a couple of regular posters on here who have very obvious opions about Celtic FC and then we have another debate about the Celtic/Rangers rivalry

I could not give a fuck about these 2 and I would suggest that any supporter of another football club that has such strong opinions as have been expressed here has issues and would want to have a long hard look at themselves.

Getting back to the thread, the guy is a total scumbag and will quiet rightly will get a ban, end of. "Lennon cupped his ears after the old firm game", for fuck sake Does that deserve being attacked during a game, does that deserve getting nail bombs sent to him.

digger wrote:

safcftm wrote:Regardless of whether they allow Rangers in, Celtic should never even be considered. I see the IRA chants came out again last night- speak to Celtic fans and they go on about how Rangers are the bad ones and they're great and there was no bother in Seville etc. Aye, great, they still dont allow British soldiers to attend matches in uniform, have anti poppy displays, boo soldiers at the emirates and boo minutes silences and they still chant about the IRA. If anyone was ever stupid enough to let those horrible bastards into the Premier League the Celtic fans would very quickly wish they hadnt. Both of them are a set of c**ts tbh

I'd say the exact opposite. When Celtic are in London, their fans are just up for a piss up, mingling with other football fans and - as far as I can tell - harmless. Met a bunch of Rangers fans in a pub - sectarian cocksuckers, covered in tattoos depicting battles, claiming to be Chelsea headhunters, looking for a fight (just because we liked football and didn't all support Chelsea and or Rangers).

Saying that, the Premier League doesn't need either of them teams - and even if they joined, I guarantee both would be relegated within 5 years.

very true digger

I'm no fan of either club as well. each club has their set of supporters who chant the wrong sort of song for a football match thats true but i cant just sit and read peoples one sided views about Celtic as safcftm has done.

Look it both clubs on their travels - Rangers lose the Europa Cup Final in manchester and fans decide to riot through the city instead of excepting they were beaten by a better side. (I know not all fan we're doing it)

Celtic lose to Porto in Seville 3-2 and not ONE ARREST the whole day.

I'm not defending I'm just balancing out the debate here.

Well what we can say is that these two club will never play in the PL now for sure and by the looks of it that is a good thing.

augie wrote:

safcftm wrote:

goonersid wrote:They are certainly making a great case for themselves to be allowed to play in the English Premier League, if they had little chance before, then they have even less now, which is one positive to come out of their recent confrontations.
I was listening to a Scottish police chief on 5 live following the big riot at one of their recent games, he said their had been over 200 stabbings in the 12 hours following, which could be directly linked to the game.
They are the scum.

Regardless of whether they allow Rangers in, Celtic should never even be considered. I see the IRA chants came out again last night- speak to Celtic fans and they go on about how Rangers are the bad ones and they're great and there was no bother in Seville etc. Aye, great, they still dont allow British soldiers to attend matches in uniform, have anti poppy displays, boo soldiers at the emirates and boo minutes silences and they still chant about the IRA. If anyone was ever stupid enough to let those horrible bastards into the Premier League the Celtic fans would very quickly wish they hadnt. Both of them are a set of c**ts tbh

Mate I like most of your posts on this forum but that post is bullshit and lobsided in its views. I have said in the past and will continue to say that religion and politics has no place in sport and I totally oppose any IRA chanting at any match however lets look at the other side as well -

1. Who is the only old firm club to be fined and be ordered to play games without their own fans as a result of sectarian chanting ?

2. Who is the old firm that classes itself as 100% british yet wreaks havoc everytime they venture down onto english soil ?

3. Who was the only old firm club that up until the late 1980's refused to sign any catholic player ? Yes this club was ready and willing to discriminate against their own fellow scotsmen on the basis of what god they prayed to so this dispute of theirs isnt confined to Ireland/Irish For the life of me I could never understand how the scottish fa, the british goverment, uefa and fifa could turn a blind eye to this bullshit discriminating and sectarian policy for decades when it wasnt even being hid away Down through the years celtic have had a whole host of protestants play for them without any backlash (daglish and danny mc grain are 2 I can think of from top of my head) so as a club I dont think you can label celtic as bigoted.

That being said, and I made this point earlier, both clubs have done nowhere near enough to stamp out this bullshit behaviour from their own fans. IRA chants, anti catholic chants or whatever should be stamped out without hesitation and the fans responsible should be punished in the most severe way possible and that applies to both sets of fans.

Anyway I appear to have gone off on a tangent because I got wound up reading comments that are as one sided as those you would hear from the old firm fans. I have no problem with you slating celtic fans mate but dont stand there and defend or totally ignore the equally offensive shit from the rangers fans......both are equally guilty and should be held equally accountable

I'm definitely not ignoring the shit that the Rangers fans come out with, I've said that both are a set of *word censored*, and I have said that this stuff with bombs and bullets being sent to Lennon is absolutely out of order- shit like that has no place in football or in society in general. My problem is that it is always rangers who are highlighted when the problems with celtic (pro-IRA chanting, abuse of British soldiers etc) are largely swept under the carpet. Celtic fans (and living in Scotland i know a lot of them, and a lot of Rangers) seem to think they are somehow the "good guys" in the rivalry- a set of angels who go to Seville and dance with rabbits etc when, in reality, they are just as bad as each other.

With regards to joining the English league though, regardless of both being a set of *word censored* (which they are), my point is that letting a club that considers itself British join the Prem would be a lot less offensive to me (and many others) than letting in a team that hates Britain and sings songs about a terrorist organisation that blows up innocent British civilians. Rangers fans can be arseholes, and they would need to tightly control them if they were in the prem, but people simply would never accept Celtic joining, they'd get kicked to fuck every ground they go to, especially if they were to start their IRA shite.

Anyway, the main thing is that there is a very scummy element amongst both clubs, and I'm not ignoring the Rangers fans- ideally they wouldnt be allowed in the prem either, cant be arsed with the sectarian shit on either side. Whether it is innocent British or innocent Irish people, all sectarianism leads to is innocent people having their lives taken/ ruined and both clubs should be fucking hammered every time their pathetic supporters bring it into football.

DB10GOONER wrote:

safcftm wrote:

Irish Gooner wrote:
Bla bla bla

You could say the same for Unionists in NI. Why dont they "go home" etc?

Fact is there homes are where they are now, Glasgow or NI or otherwise.

You must have missed the good friday agreement whereby the people of Northern Ireland have the right to call themselves either Irish or British, hence they can be unionists and still call NI home. Supporting a terrorist organisation is, however, a crime, and isnt allowed in Britain. So actually you're wrong, you couldnt say the same for unionists in NI. And I didnt tell them to go "home" anyway, I merely said they shouldnt attend matches in Britain if they dont want to see British soldiers in British football grounds- we'll ban Celtic fans before we ban our own soldiers

Er... excuse me - I'm no Celtic lover (hate the club) but that is incorrect. Have you not heard of the UVF and the UDA? The Shankill Butchers?
Would agree though that the British people have the right to parade their own soldiers wherever in Britain they like. Accepted, it is silly and inflamatory to do it in front of beered up Cletic fans, but that does not change the fact that it is their right to do so.

This whole old firm argument pops up on here every few months and to be honest it's just the same old rhetoric and uninformed generalisations being posted each time.

The fact is both sets of fans have their fair share of cuntbag brainless sectarian scum, just as both sets of fans include decent non-bigotted people too.

What part is incorrect? It is an offence under British law to support a terrorist organisation

From: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11

Support. A person commits an offence if—
(a)he invites support for a proscribed organisation, and
(b)the support is not, or is not restricted to, the provision of money or other property (within the meaning of section 15).

It goes on to state:

3 Proscription.(1)For the purposes of this Act an organisation is proscribed if—
(a)it is listed in Schedule 2, or
(b)it operates under the same name as an organisation listed in that Schedule.

And then schedule 2 gives a list of the "proscribed organisations", and guess which one is the very top of the list? Yep, you guessed it "The Irish Republican Army."

I would say that chanting about them is inviting support, which is an offence.