Out of touch

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:25 pm

I dont buy all this "it is all Wenger's fault"

what about the players. can't some of them accept responsibility any more?

also even IF a new manager comes in we are still at the Emirates. There is no going back to Highbury so all the corporate shit, and the merchandising will continue whoever is in charge. lets face it the atmosphere at Stamford Bridge is similar to the Emirates if not worse, and I can't see it changing anytime soon

frankbutcher · Post by **frankbutcher** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:26 pm

Red Member wrote:I dont buy all this "it is all Wenger's fault"

what about the players. can't some of them accept responsibility any more?

also even IF a new manager comes in we are still at the Emirates. There is no going back to Highbury so all the corporate shit, and the merchandising will continue whoever is in charge. lets face it the atmosphere at Stamford Bridge is similar to the Emirates if not worse, and I can't see it changing anytime soon

If I run a Department and I employ a load of shit staff, who's fault is it when we miss all our targets? The staff????

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:32 pm

Red Member wrote:I dont buy all this "it is all Wenger's fault"

what about the players. can't some of them accept responsibility any more?

also even IF a new manager comes in we are still at the Emirates. There is no going back to Highbury so all the corporate shit, and the merchandising will continue whoever is in charge. lets face it the atmosphere at Stamford Bridge is similar to the Emirates if not worse, and I can't see it changing anytime soon

Yeah what about the players.The players bought, picked and given long term contracts by who?

The buck stops with the manager

Nos89 · Post by **Nos89** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:45 am

frankbutcher wrote:
Red Member wrote:I dont buy all this "it is all Wenger's fault"

what about the players. can't some of them accept responsibility any more?

also even IF a new manager comes in we are still at the Emirates. There is no going back to Highbury so all the corporate shit, and the merchandising will continue whoever is in charge. lets face it the atmosphere at Stamford Bridge is similar to the Emirates if not worse, and I can't see it changing anytime soon
If I run a Department and I employ a load of shit staff, who's fault is it when we miss all our targets? The staff????

Agree with Frank on this. As a manager you are only as good as your worst member of staff.

highburyJD · Post by **highburyJD** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:57 am

surely you guys specifically come on here because there is a majority view...?
and that view is very different from the norm amongst Arsenal fans (doesn't make it right/wrong, more or less relevant)

seems to me the central claim of the thread is pretty uncontroversial
you guys simply are "out of touch" with the majority of Arsenal fans in that your views are different...

JMascis666 · Post by **JMascis666** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:03 am

The only person who is out of touch is Arsene. He needs to accept that his former blueprint to achieve success is now obselete.

Football has evolved (not necessarily in a good way) and we have been left far, far behind.

highburyJD · Post by **highburyJD** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:05 am

seriously? we might be far far behind Citeh
but I see every other side as catchable with the right moves in Jan

JMascis666 · Post by **JMascis666** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:13 am

highburyJD wrote:seriously? we might be far far behind Citeh
but I see every other side as catchable with the right moves in Jan

You trust Arsene to make any move in Jan? Let alone the right moves ?

JMascis666 · Post by **JMascis666** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:13 am

highburyJD wrote:seriously? we might be far far behind Citeh
but I see every other side as catchable with the right moves in Jan

You trust Arsene to make any move in Jan? Let alone the right moves ?

highburyJD · Post by **highburyJD** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:18 am

Wenger's signings this season
Mertesacker - very pleased, didn't want Dann, Cahill or Samba
Arteta - has been excellent, experienced player steadied the ship
Ox/Benayoun - surprised how little game time they've got but liked what I've seen
Park - bizarre signing. 2 year contract + 6 month bedding in. Somethings gone badly wrong there

so a mixed bunch

Wenger's record in the transfer market is generally excellent, all managers make their mistakes but yes I have faith in him to buy well.

JMascis666 · Post by **JMascis666** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:23 am

He should have made those transfer deadline signings earlier not as a knee jerk after the Old Trafford result. You may have faith in him and I respect that, however I do not.

highburyJD · Post by **highburyJD** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:25 am

earlier he wanted Jones
earlier he wanted Mata

it's not easy to just get what you want in this market...

JMascis666 · Post by **JMascis666** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:31 am

highburyJD wrote:earlier he wanted Jones
earlier he wanted Mata

it's not easy to just get what you want in this market...

Another example of Arsene trying to use his outdated philosphies in the current situation.

highburyJD · Post by **highburyJD** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:50 am

JMascis666 wrote:Another example of Arsene trying to use his outdated philosphies in the current situation.

I don't understand what your trying to say here
which 'outdated philosophies' ?
other clubs who weren't in for the players (ManUre wanted to wait and see how Jones did this season in the Prem, Chavksi had expressed zero interest in Mata) got wind of our bids and gazumped us

there's nothing philosophical about being outbid

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:06 am

highburyJD wrote:
JMascis666 wrote:Another example of Arsene trying to use his outdated philosphies in the current situation.
I don't understand what your trying to say here
which 'outdated philosophies' ?
other clubs who weren't in for the players (ManUre wanted to wait and see how Jones did this season in the Prem, Chavksi had expressed zero interest in Mata) got wind of our bids and gazumped us
there's nothing philosophical about being outbid

There's also nothing philosophical in Wenger's stop gaps signings... He does everything on the cheap, any vision he had has now gone, he's a busted flush and the sooner he fucks off the better the club will be. He is turning us into a laughing stock with these signings like Campbell, Lehmann and now the over the hill Henry... He should fuck off to his French project at PSG...