A genuine question for Wenger supporters

[Captain Fabregas]

how can you support a man who doesn't know if his pocket is open or not:

[g88ner]

Wenger. He'll go down as an overhyped piece of shit.
Which is what he is.

Overhyped piece of shit? that's your conclusion after 15 years of his management?

You may be able to ignore his fine achievements, but I'll always fondly remember the '98 double, the 2002 double, the 2004 invincibles, Henry, Vieira, Pires, and a way of playing that was both effective and beautiful to watch... and all at a fraction of the cost of some of our rivals.

That cannot be put down as overhyped shit, I'm afraid. He gave us - arguably - the greatest period in our history since the 30s; something that we may never be lucky enough to witness again in our lifetimes.

Yeah, he's gone off the boil and it probably is time he walked away, but to call his tenure at the club an "overhyped piece of shit" is disrespectful and wildly inaccurate. Do you not remember 98-2004? - because you've just dismissed it out of hand there, and that's shameful and can only be a result of being blinded by hate.

you should post more often mate.

top post there.

Agreed - well said g88ner

thanks lads

[I Hate Hleb]

how can you support a man who doesn't know if his pocket is open or not:

Wenger struggling to put his hand in his pocket - now there's a surprise!!

[g88ner]

how can you support a man who doesn't know if his pocket is open or not:

Wenger struggling to put his hand in his pocket - now there's a surprise!!

[brazilianGOONER]

how can you support a man who doesn't know if his pocket is open or not:

he's clearly getting more and more stressed as time goes by. as he's someone i have a lot of respect for because of all the happiness he brought us in the past, it hurts me to see him like that.

i wish he would just raise his hand, say "fuck it, i can't make this team win anymore, bye".

[Revgoon89]

how can you support a man who doesn't know if his pocket is open or not:

he's clearly getting more and more stressed as time goes by. as he's someone i have a lot of respect for because of all the happiness he brought us in the past, it hurts me to see him like that.

i wish he would just raise his hand, say "fuck it, i can't make this team win anymore, bye".

Thats just it though. he won't, I'd give the guy some respect if he just admitted he had made too many mistakes and would either hand over the reins to someone who could turn things around or then made a legitimate effort to sell all that dross and invest properly. But he is too proud and too arrogant.

How long can one man live off the successes of 6 years ago? Surely the bottle is almost empty by now.

[brazilianGOONER]

how can you support a man who doesn't know if his pocket is open or not:

Wenger struggling to put his hand in his pocket - now there's a surprise!!

[clockender1]

what i would class as a failure this season is :

1. no top four finish - yes we should be aiming to win it all, but do we REALLY want to be City, Chelsea or Manyoo, and either change the manager every year or be a half a billion pounds in debt....

2. no January centreforward signed - we ALL know that Chamakh, Park, Bentdner, Arshavin, Rosicky are not providing the goals we need. Splashing out on a established proven goalscorer is what is needed. Okay, Cologne don't want to sell Podolski until the summer, and he wants to stay until after the Euro's - so offer them 5 million over the top. money talks.

3. No regular place for Ox ahead of Walnut etc. Yes, he may not be ready, but then neither is Walcott and he's been here for ever. It's time for these highly paid kids to sink or swim. ship in or ship out

other than that, we are steady eddie - we've always thrown away silly games and had the media, refs and the FA work against us and hate us. 4th is not great but the best we can hope for this year.

next year, with a fit backline and Wilshire, i'd expect us to challenge with a new forward.

The problem i have always had with the reality of "wenger out !" is who would we of realistically had in the last five years - and who now ?

And how much would they have spent, before they likely failed ???

[Offside]

The longer he goes on, the more he is tarnishing his legacy. Even in the golden period of 1998-2005, there were no trophies in 1999, 2000 and 2001. There was a string of missed opportunities (the UEFA Cup final in 2000 and the FA Cup final in 2001, plus all the second places in the league). The league title should have been won in 2003 but it was squandered because we didn't have defensive depth or the mentality to close out matches (sound familiar?). In 2004/05, the team capitulated after the OT defeat and by the time it recovered, Chelsea were long gone. Can we call any of Wenger's teams truly great if they never retained the title? The closest parallel between Wenger's Arsenal is Don Revie's Leeds. Revie's team is constantly talked about as one of the foremost side of the 1960s and the early 70s but what did they actually win in that period? 2 League titles, 1 FA Cup, 2 UEFA Cups and 1 League Cup. Hardly a huge haul and Leeds, like Arsenal today, were famous for coming second and losing semi-finals, entering the final months of the season in contention for two or three trophies and losing the lot.

[FatChaz]

I reckon Flash and BG only approved of g88ner's post because it's having a go at Baba, nothing more...because im sure theyre not AKBs judging by their other posts, unlike g88ner.

the more Arsenal fall from grace, season by season, under Wenger's helm, it would be absurd to suggest that no one will mention it after he's gone. as it stands, if Wenger leaves today, football pundits and fans will always mention the 7 season trophy drought when he was in charge amongst their usual praise for the invincible years.

Baba is spot on here.

[g88ner]

I reckon Flash and BG only approved of g88ner's post because it's having a go at Baba, nothing more...because im sure theyre not AKBs judging by their other posts, unlike g88ner.

AKB?? me??

Yeah, I don't agree with Baba dismissing Wenger's entire reign as "overhyped piece of shit" so I'm AKB??... brilliant logic. Odd that I want Wenger gone isn't it?.... what sort of AKB does that make me??

Anyway, all I said was that I think Wenger did well from 98-2004 but has gone off the boil and should probably leave.... how does that make me an AKB?? I'd say most people would agree with that, surely? - don't you??

[FatChaz]

I reckon Flash and BG only approved of g88ner's post because it's having a go at Baba, nothing more...because im sure theyre not AKBs judging by their other posts, unlike g88ner.

AKB?? me??

Yeah, I don't agree with Baba dismissing Wenger's entire reign as "overhyped piece of shit" so I'm AKB??... brilliant logic. Odd that I want Wenger gone isn't it?.... what sort of AKB does that make me??

Anyway, all I said was that I think Wenger did well from 98-2004 but has gone off the boil and should probably leave.... how does that make me an AKB?? I'd say most people would agree with that, surely? - don't you??

AKB was a bit harsh, but you give Wenger too much respect, which is your call i guess, and somehow dismiss that Wenger will not be remembered as a manager who fell from grace. very naive of you, since it seems that the wool has been pulled over your eyes a bit. I used to think Wenger was a class manager as well, but he is a pile of ***** now and has tarnished his reputation beyond repair. fuck giving respect to a wanker who takes a fat pay check and does nothing to earn it.

also Baba never specified his entire reign was as a pile of *****. its just that his total legacy will be that he was over hyped. which is true since Wenger has had as many years as an incompetent manager as he was successful.

[g88ner]

AKB was a bit harsh, but you give Wenger too much respect, which is your call i guess, and somehow dismiss that Wenger will not be remembered as a manager who fell from grace. very naive of you, since it seems that the wool has been pulled over your eyes a bit. I used to think Wenger was a class manager as well, but he is a pile of ***** now and has tarnished his reputation beyond repair. fuck giving respect to a wanker who takes a fat pay check and does nothing to earn it.

Aye, that WOULD be naive of me if it was true BUT I do think he'll be remembered as a manager who fell from grace. Of course he will.

What did I say that made you think I thought otherwise?

Wenger is tarnishing his great reputation and it's sad to see. I'd love him to prove us all wrong, but I think he should go before he does any more damage.

Then we've only got the board to blame.

As for the respect thing.... no, I don't think he's the devil and won't blame him for everything. I want him gone, but what he achieved from 1998-2004 shouldn't be forgotten. Likewise, neither should "project Wenger" from 2006 onwards

Oh, and saying I'm AKB wasn't harsh, it was just wrong.

[FatChaz]

AKB was a bit harsh, but you give Wenger too much respect, which is your call i guess, and somehow dismiss that Wenger will not be remembered as a manager who fell from grace. very naive of you, since it seems that the wool has been pulled over your eyes a bit. I used to think Wenger was a class manager as well, but he is a pile of ***** now and has tarnished his reputation beyond repair. fuck giving respect to a wanker who takes a fat pay check and does nothing to earn it.

Aye, that WOULD be naive of me if it was true BUT I do think he'll be remembered as a manager who fell from grace. Of course he will.

What did I say that made you think I thought otherwise?

Wenger is tarnishing his great reputation and it's sad to see. I'd love him to prove us all wrong, but I think he should go before he does any more damage.

Then we've only got the board to blame.

As for the respect thing.... no, I don't think he's the devil and won't blame him for everything. I want him gone, but what he achieved from 1998-2004 shouldn't be forgotten. Likewise, neither should "project Wenger" from 2006 onwards

Oh, and saying I'm AKB wasn't harsh, it was just wrong.

the fact that youre emphasising and bringing up his past achievements, like we give a shit, that makes me think youre leaning towards an AKB type fan. that's why i said that, and why i think i wasnt too wrong when i called you an AKB. i maintain i was only being harsh, since at least you want him out unlike a puritan AKB.

what he did in the past has no bearing today or the future, especially since were now struggling to keep 5th. this is a stagnant way of thinking and is the reason why fans sing 'only one Arsene' at games. it pains me more when they sing it when were getting dicked! Therefore, AKBs are mugs, since they give Wenger and the board all they need to keep up with what theyre doing to this club.

[g88ner]

AKB was a bit harsh, but you give Wenger too much respect, which is your call i guess, and somehow dismiss that Wenger will not be remembered as a manager who fell from grace. very naive of you, since it seems that the wool has been pulled over your eyes a bit. I used to think Wenger was a class manager as well, but he is a pile of ***** now and has tarnished his reputation beyond repair. fuck giving respect to a wanker who takes a fat pay check and does nothing to earn it.

Aye, that WOULD be naive of me if it was true BUT I do think he'll be remembered as a manager who fell from grace. Of course he will.

What did I say that made you think I thought otherwise?

Wenger is tarnishing his great reputation and it's sad to see. I'd love him to prove us all wrong, but I think he should go before he does any more damage.

Then we've only got the board to blame.

As for the respect thing.... no, I don't think he's the devil and won't blame him for everything. I want him gone, but what he achieved from 1998-2004 shouldn't be forgotten. Likewise, neither should "project Wenger" from 2006 onwards

Oh, and saying I'm AKB wasn't harsh, it was just wrong.

the fact that youre emphasising and bringing up his past achievements, like we give a shit, that makes me think youre leaning towards an AKB type fan. that's why i said that, and why i think i wasnt too wrong when i called you an AKB. i maintain i was only being harsh, since at least you want him out unlike a puritan AKB.

what he did in the past has no bearing today or the future, especially since were now struggling to keep 5th. this is a stagnant way of thinking and is the reason why fans sing 'only one Arsene' at games. it pains me more when they sing it when were getting dicked! Therefore, AKBs are mugs, since they give Wenger and the board all they need to keep up with what theyre doing to this club.

Fair enough, I didn't know the definition of AKB was so broad.

I assumed it meant "Arsene knows best/brigade" therefore, like a mug, I assumed that the fact I often criticise him and want him gone would discount me from that group, but apparently not

So, any fan who respect what he did from 1998-2004 and aren't afraid to bring it up are, by your definition, part of the AKB group even if they want him gone and often criticise him openly??

Wow, very broad group. That surely puts all of is in that group apart say 3 or 4 of you, doesn't it?