Just Who Is Arsenal's Greatest Ever Manager?

[highburyJD]

I'd prob just go Wenger ahead of Chapman. GG and Wenger both had Eriksonesque Arsenal management careers
1st half good, 2nd half not so good.
Wenger still has a chance to win more trophies (or be caught stealing from the club)

on a slight tanget - the dangers of skim reading,
I went over Stuart's post quickly

Chapman made Arsenal the biggest and best known club in the world - unfortunately there wasn't commercial branding as exists today - We built luxurious stands, bought the best players and won trophies year in year out. from 1930 to 1936 we were the best in England and probably Europe but there was no official competition to see and the war stopped us from continuing our dominance.

and read the the last line as:
we were the best in England and probably in Europe but there was no official competition apart from the War

WestHam might have win a World Cup but we won a World War...
sorry
probably innapropriate
(I mentioned the war... but I think I got away with it)

[Almunia is a clown]

Why aren't George Allison & Tom Whitaker in this poll, both won a couple & championships & FA Cups plus Bertie Mee won the double & Fairs / EUFA cup?

Wenger is officially the longest serving manager in Arsenal's history not to have won a trophy

Plus he has fiddled the club & supporters for millions with his partners in crime

[clockender1]

i think you have to look at the whole tenure not just pick out the good bits.

GG changed the club, Chapman and AW changed the game of football.

GG was unlucky that the the '89 side never got to compete in the EC. we might of won it. and might of won it again in 91, who knows. the famous five were his legacy. Chapman was the best of his Generation, cut tragically down too soon and as previously pointed out he left a legacy in whittaker n the team.

AW has no legacy - the team, the stadium, the fortress at home, the style of play, all gone.

98 to 2004 was a wonderful time, but nine years without a league title, come on ....

1. Herb
2. GG
3. AW

We were in it in '91-'92 and went out to Benfica

Yes I know flash. My point was that had we won the EC in 89-90, we would have qualified in 90-91 and maybe had back to back wins like Forest.

If I remember right we won 6-1 away to liege - a merse hatrick...and then underestimated benfica at home in 91/92

[highburyJD]

this is a 'greatest ever' thread.
There's plenty of others for negativity and hatred.

what does this:

Plus he has fiddled the club & supporters for millions with his partners in crime

even mean? Guessing it's some kind of metaphor... or have I missed something?

I understand people can be emotional, feel the need to vent,
I'm sure I've over-reacted to things that have annoyed me
but I just find these bizarre, patently groundless accusations inexplicable
you won't hear them from Sperz or Chelski fans
don't hear them on the most mental of football phone ins
never heard it from match attending Gooners before, during or after a game
as far as I know no investigative journalist has suggested it

and yet somehow the specific accusation of theft is becoming common currency here...
very strange and IMO a bit sad in it's divisive disrespectfulness

the manager has plenty of flaws - why make up slanderous additional ones?

[clockender1]

i think you have to look at the whole tenure not just pick out the good bits.

GG changed the club, Chapman and AW changed the game of football.

GG was unlucky that the the '89 side never got to compete in the EC. we might of won it. and might of won it again in 91, who knows. the famous five were his legacy. Chapman was the best of his Generation, cut tragically down too soon and as previously pointed out he left a legacy in whittaker n the team.

AW has no legacy - the team, the stadium, the fortress at home, the style of play, all gone.

98 to 2004 was a wonderful time, but nine years without a league title, come on ....

1. Herb
2. GG
3. AW

We were in it in '91-'92 and went out to Benfica

Yes I know flash. My point was that had we won the EC in 89-90, we would have qualified in 90-91 and maybe had back to back wins like Forest.

If I remember right we won 6-1 away to liege - a merse hatrick...and then underestimated benfica at home in 91/92

[highburyJD]

nope was a Vienna side - Smudger got 4 at home (think 6-1 is right)
Dean Saunders got 4 the same night and it was all the papers talked about the next day

Liege was 7-0 in the Cup Winner Cup - my first ever Euro Away day

[Justinsaid]

It just has to be Wenger, once he has gone you will look back on his achievements and appreciate the scale of success he led the club to in a very competitive era.

2 league and cup doubles.
3 league titles in total, including the invicibles season.
4 FA cups in total.
Champions league final.

[augie]

It just has to be Wenger, once he has gone you will look back on his achievements and appreciate the scale of success he led the club to in a very competitive era.

2 league and cup doubles.
3 league titles in total, including the invicibles season.
4 FA cups in total.
Champions league final.

And what does it say about his managerial performance that we are not even contenders in a very uncompetitive and poor domestic league era ? Maybe when he goes the pro wenker camp will be also able to assess his full career at AFC and not just the first 8 years and maybe then they will recognise what a shit performance he had offered in recent seasons ?
Nobody is trying to diminish wenger's achievements with us but the sad reality is that those events were many many years ago now and nobody should be allowed to live on based on memories alone

[Justinsaid]

It just has to be Wenger, once he has gone you will look back on his achievements and appreciate the scale of success he led the club to in a very competitive era.

2 league and cup doubles.
3 league titles in total, including the invicibles season.
4 FA cups in total.
Champions league final.

And what does it say about his managerial performance that we are not even contenders in a very uncompetitive and poor domestic league era ? Maybe when he goes the pro wenker camp will be also able to assess his full career at AFC and not just the first 8 years and maybe then they will recognise what a shit performance he had offered in recent seasons ?
Nobody is trying to diminish wenger's achievements with us but the sad reality is that those events were many many years ago now and nobody should be allowed to live on based on memories alone

Whilst he shouldnt be able to carry on as Arsenal manager based on his achievements of yesteryear, once his reign does come to an end it will be time to look at the success he brought to the club during his time as manager here. Yes the last few seasons have not been upto the standard expected and demanded, but that should not overshadow the wonderful heights we achieved during his first 8 years.

I have no doubt in years to come he will be almost unanimously regarded as our greatest ever manager once the dust has settled on his poorer late years and people reflect on the scale of his success in the early years.

[Nos89]

It just has to be Wenger, once he has gone you will look back on his achievements and appreciate the scale of success he led the club to in a very competitive era.

2 league and cup doubles.
3 league titles in total, including the invicibles season.
4 FA cups in total.
Champions league final.

And what does it say about his managerial performance that we are not even contenders in a very uncompetitive and poor domestic league era ? Maybe when he goes the pro wenker camp will be also able to assess his full career at AFC and not just the first 8 years and maybe then they will recognise what a shit performance he had offered in recent seasons ?
Nobody is trying to diminish wenger's achievements with us but the sad reality is that those events were many many years ago now and nobody should be allowed to live on based on memories alone

Whilst he shouldnt be able to carry on as Arsenal manager based on his achievements of yesteryear, once his reign does come to an end it will be time to look at the success he brought to the club during his time as manager here. Yes the last few seasons have not been upto the standard expected and demanded, but that should not overshadow the wonderful heights we achieved during his first 8 years.

I have no doubt in years to come he will be almost unanimously regarded as our greatest ever manager once the dust has settled on his poorer late years and people reflect on the scale of his success in the early years.

I wouldn't view one champions league final as a sign of success after 14 consecutive seasons of qualifying for it. In that time AC Milan have played in 3 finals as have man utd, even liverpool have played in two finals and only qualified to play in CL about 6 times in comparison.

[flash gunner]

i think you have to look at the whole tenure not just pick out the good bits.

GG changed the club, Chapman and AW changed the game of football.

GG was unlucky that the the '89 side never got to compete in the EC. we might of won it. and might of won it again in 91, who knows. the famous five were his legacy. Chapman was the best of his Generation, cut tragically down too soon and as previously pointed out he left a legacy in whittaker n the team.

AW has no legacy - the team, the stadium, the fortress at home, the style of play, all gone.

98 to 2004 was a wonderful time, but nine years without a league title, come on ....

1. Herb
2. GG
3. AW

We were in it in '91-'92 and went out to Benfica

Yes I know flash. My point was that had we won the EC in 89-90, we would have qualified in 90-91 and maybe had back to back wins like Forest.

If I remember right we won 6-1 away to liege - a merse hatrick...and then underestimated benfica at home in 91/92

As JD said it was Austria Vienna 6-1 at home and lost 1-0 away

[DB10GOONER]

So we're all agreed it was Bruce Rioch.

[highburyJD]

just pipping Stewart Houston
I know I hate him, can't really remember why - did he do something specific at Spuds...?

[Almunia is a clown]

[quote="highburyJD"

and yet somehow the specific accusation of theft is becoming common currency here...
very strange and IMO a bit sad in it's divisive disrespectfulness

the manager has plenty of flaws - why make up slanderous additional ones?[/quote]

Wenger is in full collusion with the boards financial asset stripping policy since the new stadium was built, fans have been ripped off with massive ticket prices whilst the best players have & will continue to be sold, the club has made money from past & current construction projects around the local area which has not benefited the club at all.

Wenger has also been paid well above the going rate of his more successful rivals for his role in the financial fiddle at Arsenal PLC, he is not a victim of the boards financial regime but instead has his fingers firmly in the pot.

Wenger & the board are two cheeks of the same arse!!!

Yet George Graham always get's slaughtered by the AKB's for £400,00 given to him by an agent, peanuts compared to how Wenger has enriched himself at the expense of our supporters by tens of millions of pounds!!!!

He is no longer a football man just a greedy fatcat financier operating in the football industry

[LDB]

Pat Rice