Barcelona are sh1t

[highburyJD]

[There is absolutely NO evidence to suggest we would have created anything, and scored.

apart from the fact Jack did create something
a late late chance on Bendtner's left foot to win the tie
personally I believe RVP scores that
(Koscielny was awesome in those games v Barca)

[Babatunde]

[There is absolutely NO evidence to suggest we would have created anything, and scored.

apart from the fact Jack did create something
a late late chance on Bendtner's left foot to win the tie
personally I believe RVP scores that
(Koscielny was awesome in those games v Barca)

Oh my apologies.

Must explain that Zero shots on goal in 90 minutes stat (a new CL record btw)


Amazing how a team that created so much could not so much as manage One shot on goal in 90 minutes!!!

[goonersid]

[quote="BabatundeI see the point of what you are saying. I really do.

My contention is that seriously, think about it: Arsenal created Zero shots on or off target. We were toothless and could not get the ball. It was all Barca. There is absolutely NO evidence to suggest we would have created anything, and scored. More to the point, with RVP on the pitch, RVP didn't get a sniff. So why all of a sudden is there this general notion that had the ref not done this; (and I agree he screwed us)...that Arsenal would have heroically held out for a draw? Why is there a belief we would have scored a goal, even though all the Facts and evidence clearly demonstrate that in the previous 56 minutes, Arsenal had not created a single chance?

I amgenuinely trying to understand this???[/quote]


Babs, No one is denying their superiority, the issue here is that at 1-1 Barca were going out, and despite their posession they too were creating little, the "lucky goal we scored evidently lifted us, and we were actually getting a foothold in the game. The attack, albeit offside, that led to the sending off was probably the first time we got rvp into the game.
The thing is we will never know for certain what would have happened, but what I do believe for certain is that there was a chance Barca could go out, and the referee under pre-instrutions from uefa, took the first opportunity that came his way to offset that possibility.
Football is unpredictable, and no matter how badly we were playing, we were in front and another "lucky goal away from almost certainly knocking the cheating barca bastards out.

[Deise Gooner]

[There is absolutely NO evidence to suggest we would have created anything, and scored.

apart from the fact Jack did create something
a late late chance on Bendtner's left foot to win the tie
personally I believe RVP scores that
(Koscielny was awesome in those games v Barca)

Oh my apologies.

Must explain that Zero shots on goal in 90 minutes stat (a new CL record btw)


Amazing how a team that created so much could not so much as manage One shot on goal in 90 minutes!!!

Nobody is saying that we were all over them but you would be a fool to suggest that playing without RVP didnt reduce our chances significantly in that game.

[flash gunner]

In this comment alone you have demonstrated a spectacular level of breathtaking ignorance that is unparralleled, even by you. It reminds me of the kind of jokers who claim the team with the most money will always win.
If it is as easy to manage that Barca team then answer me a few questions please:

1. Frank Rijkaard had a team with a front line of Eto'o; Ronaldinho (Ballon d'Or), Henry, Messi - he also had the options of Bojan etc. Yet he finished 4th and was sacked. He found the egos hard to cope with. So if you could manage that Barca team (LOL), why did Rijkaard ultimately fail with this group of players?

2. I just told you Guardiola has made 5 consecutive CL semis. No other team has ever done this. How do you legislate for this? It's one thing doing it in your local league, but doing that in Europe's biggest compo is outstanding. Did you really engage your brian before making that stupid comment?

3. Real Madrid have far more money at their disposal than Barca. How on earth are Barca continuing to wipe the floor with Jose and prior Real teams?

4. Pep Guardiola made history by winning SIX trophies in a single season. I'll ask again, you think this is something anyone can do?

5. Your comment is so baseless that the argument can be flipped: "I could have easily won a double if you'd given me a defence with Seaman, Adams, Dixon, Winterburn, Bould etc, and you'd left me Dennis Bergkamp up front."
What you're not taking into account, is that Guardiola has been able to make a great team far, far better. He added to the team with quality signings like Alves, (Wenger to be fair did this with Paddy and Petit).

6. Pep Guardiola has managed to keep a group of mega-stars super-hungry and super eager. They win back to back titles again and again. They show an incredible hunger and desire for success, work incredibly hard on the pitch and instead of slacking off after winning the lot (6 trophies) they come back hungrier.

Then on the other hand, you have a manager like Wenger, whose players have achieved nothing in football, and lack the hunger to win, the humility to work hard on the pitch, and the desire to succeed. And yet Wenger earns almost the same money as Pep.

I could easily turn around now and say the following:

- I'd have won a league cup final against relegated Brum
- If I'd managed Arsenal, I'd never have let a 4-0 turn to 4-4
- As Arsenal manager, I would have won the league in 2008 when being 5 points clear and a piss-easy fixture list
- Had I been Arsenal manager, I would never have lost to QPR last week.
- Had I been Arsenal manager, my record, with the funds at my disposal, would be a dam sigh better than 1 final in FIFTEEN years.

I could go on, but you get my drift by now.

It is incredibly stupid, ignorant and bitter to downplay the mammoth achievements Guardiola has made. I suppose you can just take every great team in history like Ajax of the 1970s, 1970s Brazil and Bayern of the 70s and say 'Oh I woulda won that'.

But you didn't.

So get back to boxing up those Big Macs please....

Sorry about the delay Baba ive been away on litter duty now my hour on the Big Mac production line has ended

You do make me laugh you think because you write a 15 point essay of a post full of blast and bluster it makes you right, well unfortunately old boy it doesnt. Im not going into every point as quite frankly i cant be bothered but i will say one thing many managers build teams Fergie, even your old mate Wenger Brian clough going back some years but Guardiola walked into a ready made team full of top class players and not only that had the cash to back that up - very fortunate dont you agree? This somewhat takes away some (not all) of his achievement. You call me bitter but i have no bitterness towards Guardiola or Barca in fact i love Barcelona as a city i just call it as i see it, please or not.... Every topic seems tp revert to how much xxxxx (insert name here) is better than Wenger or how much you seem to admire everyone else apart from Arsenal let face it according to you sp*rs were one best teams and we had no chance of catching them around 4-5 weeks ago See writing essays dont make you right

[mcdowell42]

Harry Redknapp 1 trophy in 30 years of management

[I Hate Hleb]

Actually it's 2 (if you include his top four finish with Spurs last season.)

[mcdowell42]

Actually it's 2 (if you include his top four finish with Spurs last season.)

Sorry cant count that its not a trophy never has been and never will be.Just i hear harry is a great manager but his managerial record doesnt suggest that,unless its about playing beautiful football and not winning anything but finishing in the top 4.Maybe we should swap managers

[AFCasap]

In this comment alone you have demonstrated a spectacular level of breathtaking ignorance that is unparralleled, even by you. It reminds me of the kind of jokers who claim the team with the most money will always win.
If it is as easy to manage that Barca team then answer me a few questions please:

1. Frank Rijkaard had a team with a front line of Eto'o; Ronaldinho (Ballon d'Or), Henry, Messi - he also had the options of Bojan etc. Yet he finished 4th and was sacked. He found the egos hard to cope with. So if you could manage that Barca team (LOL), why did Rijkaard ultimately fail with this group of players?

2. I just told you Guardiola has made 5 consecutive CL semis. No other team has ever done this. How do you legislate for this? It's one thing doing it in your local league, but doing that in Europe's biggest compo is outstanding. Did you really engage your brian before making that stupid comment?

3. Real Madrid have far more money at their disposal than Barca. How on earth are Barca continuing to wipe the floor with Jose and prior Real teams?

4. Pep Guardiola made history by winning SIX trophies in a single season. I'll ask again, you think this is something anyone can do?

5. Your comment is so baseless that the argument can be flipped: "I could have easily won a double if you'd given me a defence with Seaman, Adams, Dixon, Winterburn, Bould etc, and you'd left me Dennis Bergkamp up front."
What you're not taking into account, is that Guardiola has been able to make a great team far, far better. He added to the team with quality signings like Alves, (Wenger to be fair did this with Paddy and Petit).

6. Pep Guardiola has managed to keep a group of mega-stars super-hungry and super eager. They win back to back titles again and again. They show an incredible hunger and desire for success, work incredibly hard on the pitch and instead of slacking off after winning the lot (6 trophies) they come back hungrier.

Then on the other hand, you have a manager like Wenger, whose players have achieved nothing in football, and lack the hunger to win, the humility to work hard on the pitch, and the desire to succeed. And yet Wenger earns almost the same money as Pep.

I could easily turn around now and say the following:

- I'd have won a league cup final against relegated Brum
- If I'd managed Arsenal, I'd never have let a 4-0 turn to 4-4
- As Arsenal manager, I would have won the league in 2008 when being 5 points clear and a piss-easy fixture list
- Had I been Arsenal manager, I would never have lost to QPR last week.
- Had I been Arsenal manager, my record, with the funds at my disposal, would be a dam sigh better than 1 final in FIFTEEN years.

I could go on, but you get my drift by now.

It is incredibly stupid, ignorant and bitter to downplay the mammoth achievements Guardiola has made. I suppose you can just take every great team in history like Ajax of the 1970s, 1970s Brazil and Bayern of the 70s and say 'Oh I woulda won that'.

But you didn't.

So get back to boxing up those Big Macs please....

Sorry about the delay Baba ive been away on litter duty now my hour on the Big Mac production line has ended

You do make me laugh you think because you write a 15 point essay of a post full of blast and bluster it makes you right, well unfortunately old boy it doesnt. Im not going into every point as quite frankly i cant be bothered but i will say one thing many managers build teams Fergie, even your old mate Wenger Brian clough going back some years but Guardiola walked into a ready made team full of top class players and not only that had the cash to back that up - very fortunate dont you agree? This somewhat takes away some (not all) of his achievement. You call me bitter but i have no bitterness towards Guardiola or Barca in fact i love Barcelona as a city i just call it as i see it, please or not.... Every topic seems tp revert to how much xxxxx (insert name here) is better than Wenger or how much you seem to admire everyone else apart from Arsenal let face it according to you sp*rs were one best teams and we had no chance of catching them around 4-5 weeks ago See writing essays dont make you right

why has wenger tried to copy this "shit" style of football for 6/7 years? babatunde is right on all points

[MegaGooner]

Few things

1. According to most Arsenal fans, matches and the whole season indeed, are settled before we walk on the pitch anyways aren't they? Why else do I keep hearing from Arsenal fans that we could never compete for the league, since the teams with the most money are the ones who will win it? (despite all evidence pointing to the opposite.

2. Why do you speak of Arsenal being shat on by UEFA? Do you have any concrete evidence of a UEFA conspiracy? What makes you think UEFA are so scared of Arsenal and see them as a threat? Is it our amazing defensive resilience? Or is it Arsene Wenger's managerial tactical genius? Or possibly all those consecutive 3rd/4th placed trophies we keep winning...

3. Matches are not settled before teams walk on a pitch. In a one-off game, ANYTHING can happen. Examples such as this are, e.g. Arsenal beating Barca 2-1 at home in the Emirates. Rubin Kazan beating Barca at Camp Nou.
However. Over 180 minutes, it is IMPOSSIBLE, that any team managed by Arsene Wenger, and containing as many liabilities as Arsenal could ever ever ever overcome Barcelona. It simply isn't possible. Over 1 match you can do it. That can be luck. Over 2 matches, you need quality.

Arsenal under Arsene Wenger, will NEVER beat a team managed by Pep Guardiola or Jose Mourinho over 180 minutes. It simply isn't possible. Fact.

So this is your claim to fame? I understand your hatred being a Spud and all that. So lilly white ain't ao white any more xxxx xxxxxxx

Sorry mate had to delete your comment even if it was aimed at sp*rs lovers on the forum

[flash gunner]

why has wenger tried to copy this "shit" style of football for 6/7 years? babatunde is right on all points

I dont know why has he? It certainly hasnt worked!!!! Look back at page 1 post 1 and you'll see i accept they arent shit but my point IMO they arent entertaining. Now you dont have to agree thats the beauty of the forum but Baba is never right you should know that by now

[Gunnerz4life]

Flash are you talking comparatively here? Because if you are, I would agree that the Invincibles were more entertaining to watch than the current Barca side though this Barca team is the best club team of all time.

I dont know what would make Barca a lot more attractive side to watch than they already are. They might seem like a tippy tappy team but they know when and where to increase the pace and break down defenses. Also lets not forget that almost all teams who play against Barca play with a defensive mentality with 10 men behind the ball. It is almost impossible to play at a quick pace you have so many men in front of you trying to fill up any gaps. Hence the slow passing game, testing the opponents patience and discipline and finally killing them off with a run behind the defense and a eye of the needle pass.

[augie]

I just think it's ridicilous to say referees are helping Barcelona by purpose. Sometimes they get a decision right and sometimes they get it wrong.

Why do you think it is ridiculous? the clge is the biggest corporate club football event on the planet. Don't you think uefa would do their utmost to ensure that the sponsors get to see their dream final.
To me at least, this has been obvious throughout the competitions history, form the predictable draws for the latter rounds and more recently the run of crucial decisions at crucial times in ties, all favouring the barca whores, as far back as the chavs, ourselves and last night 2 dodgy pens which the ref had no hesitation in giving.
I'm not suggesting that they didn't deserve to win most of these ties (chavs excluded although funny for us they were scandalously robbed), but when the whores needed a little luck, the referee was always there with a controversial decision going their way.
I fucking hate the clge and I hate barca even more. As I said before, I hope Madrid fuck them good and proper, both domestically and in the clge this season.

Dodgy penalties sid ?? They were absolutely nailed on penalties and I admire the ref for finally clamping down on the pulling and dragging that goes on at every corner and my only problem is that it is not done in every game by every ref

I know that I am in the minority of one here but I happen to believe that the ref was right to book rvp for that incident For me if you look at how and where he kicked the ball away it seemed like he knew that he was offside and kicked it away for that reason. He made no attempt to go attack their goal when the middle of their defence was wide open to do so and if he had of been onside I believe he would have gone straight at them and got a shot of on target at least.

[flash gunner]

Dodgy penalties sid ?? They were absolutely nailed on penalties and I admire the ref for finally clamping down on the pulling and dragging that goes on at every corner and my only problem is that it is not done in every game by every ref

I know that I am in the minority of one here but I happen to believe that the ref was right to book rvp for that incident For me if you look at how and where he kicked the ball away it seemed like he knew that he was offside and kicked it away for that reason. He made no attempt to go attack their goal when the middle of their defence was wide open to do so and if he had of been onside I believe he would have gone straight at them and got a shot of on target at least.

Twice the other night that i saw and i couldnt bare to watch the whole game that Barca and Milan players shot at goal after the whistle has blown and yet no yellow cards were shown so to show RVP a second yellow last season was harsh to say the least IMO

[goonersid]

Dodgy penalties sid ?? They were absolutely nailed on penalties and I admire the ref for finally clamping down on the pulling and dragging that goes on at every corner and my only problem is that it is not done in every game by every ref

I know that I am in the minority of one here but I happen to believe that the ref was right to book rvp for that incident For me if you look at how and where he kicked the ball away it seemed like he knew that he was offside and kicked it away for that reason. He made no attempt to go attack their goal when the middle of their defence was wide open to do so and if he had of been onside I believe he would have gone straight at them and got a shot of on target at least.

That's the thing Augie, these are the type of pens that are only awarded to the favoured few, usually when they most need it.
As for the rvp booking I'd never have taken you as a wum