Dalglish sacked... or maybe walked

[frankbutcher]

Just been in contact with my source in Liverpool and apparently Martinez is set to be offered the job although no one wants him!

[Nos89]

Just been in contact with my source in Liverpool and apparently Martinez is set to be offered the job although no one wants him!

Too many Liverpool fans live in the past. They didn't want hodgeson, they wanted kenny. They got what they wanted. Now they want rafa back. They live in the past, like newcastle fans used too. No one wanted Pardew, look what happened. Liverpool needs a top to bottom sweep through. Martinez is an excellent manager, just look at how he's kept wigan in the league. Bigger clubs, with better players have gone down instead of wigan. With the nature of liverpool fans, they would turn on him after 2 or 3 bad results, and he doesn't deserve that.
Jurgen Klopp would be the right manager for liverpool. But, I'm not a liverpool fan so I hope they appoint Mcleish

[g88ner]

The AKBs claim "we cannot compete" with cash rich teams, yet when it's pointed out that Pool spent 100 mil and we finished ahead of them, the position changes

Yeah, but there's a HUGE difference between Liverpool incompetently wasting £100m on Carroll, Downing, Adam and Henderson to that of Citeh buying real quality in Silva, Nasri, Yaya, Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko, etc....

It's how the money is spent.

If it's spent competently like when Abramovich forked out £millions on Drogba, Robben, Essien, Carvalho, etc. or when Real Madrid bought Ronaldo & co. then it's going to be difficult to keep up unless we keep pulling rabbits out of hats or completely change our strategy.

So yes - we CAN compete with rich teams if their money is spent incompetently like Liverpool did, Baba. But if it's spent well, then it's a different matter.

Really? There's a point in there somewhere but...
Considering the cash Chelski have spent on Mata, Torres, Ramires, Cahill etc...you still haven't explained how Arsenal are ahead of them?

I've personally had enough of hearing Arsenal fans bitching about money.
I'm sick if hearing what we "cannot" do.
That's bullshit Gazidis feeds y'all.

How rich is Kroenke?
How rich is Usmanov?
What's our wage bill again?
What's Wenger salary?

What sort of reply is that?! You didn't read my post did you, Baba?

If you'd read it, you'd know that the reason I think we were able to finish ahead of Chelsea is that we CAN compete with rich teams if their money is spent incompetently. If it's spent WISELY, then of course they have an advantage. That's bloody obvious!

Chelsea have made a pigs ear out of their season, the managerial situation has been a joke, and they haven't spent well enough recently... and you highlighting Torres is exactly my point! - if they'd spent better in recent seasons (and hadn't had the while managerial fiasco) they'd probably be in a title race instead of finishing 6th.

That's why we NEED to be run with greater efficiency than we currently are. We need to be maximising every aspect of our club from making sure we bring in great players within budget, be more efficient on wages, and be tactically superb. Which, at the moment, we're clearly not. And under Wenger and the current board, I can't say I'm confident that will change.

[OneBardGooner]

IMO we could cut £40m out of our wage bill just by getting rid of shit. That would buy a new world class player every season. It is doable on our current business model. Remember why we moved to the Emirates... to spend on players. Now we can't compete with City and Madrid etc, but we can still buy better players than Park and Chamakh.

Couldn't agree more. We've made a complete pigs ear out of things!

Bendtner - £2.5m pa
Denilson - £2.5m pa
Diaby - £3m pa
Vela - £1m pa
Almunia - £3m pa
Chamakh - £3m pa
Park - £2m pa
Gervinho - £3m pa
Gazidis - £1m pa (NO BONUS)
Squillaci - £3m pa
Djourou - £2m pa
Fabianski - £1m pa

That's £27m pa for starters...

That's feckin' DISGUSTING!!!....all that money going to waste!

[OneBardGooner]

Actually I am deeply sorry that KD has been sacked, I was hoping they'd give him at least one more year, so he could really feck things up...Aaaah the sweet sounds of all those scousers whinging on and on and on and on....


I honestly think he's a victim!

[aalderton]

To be honest i was shocked when I heard it. He won the carling cup and got to the fa cup final so why the hell did they sack him.yes I know they done pretty poo in the league but o well. Should Arsenal go for this policy of sacking the manager if he is not successful enough?

[frankbutcher]

The AKBs claim "we cannot compete" with cash rich teams, yet when it's pointed out that Pool spent 100 mil and we finished ahead of them, the position changes

Yeah, but there's a HUGE difference between Liverpool incompetently wasting £100m on Carroll, Downing, Adam and Henderson to that of Citeh buying real quality in Silva, Nasri, Yaya, Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko, etc....

It's how the money is spent.

If it's spent competently like when Abramovich forked out £millions on Drogba, Robben, Essien, Carvalho, etc. or when Real Madrid bought Ronaldo & co. then it's going to be difficult to keep up unless we keep pulling rabbits out of hats or completely change our strategy.

So yes - we CAN compete with rich teams if their money is spent incompetently like Liverpool did, Baba. But if it's spent well, then it's a different matter.

Really? There's a point in there somewhere but...
Considering the cash Chelski have spent on Mata, Torres, Ramires, Cahill etc...you still haven't explained how Arsenal are ahead of them?

I've personally had enough of hearing Arsenal fans bitching about money.
I'm sick if hearing what we "cannot" do.
That's bullshit Gazidis feeds y'all.

How rich is Kroenke?
How rich is Usmanov?
What's our wage bill again?
What's Wenger salary?

What sort of reply is that?! You didn't read my post did you, Baba?

If you'd read it, you'd know that the reason I think we were able to finish ahead of Chelsea is that we CAN compete with rich teams if their money is spent incompetently. If it's spent WISELY, then of course they have an advantage. That's bloody obvious!

Chelsea have made a pigs ear out of their season, the managerial situation has been a joke, and they haven't spent well enough recently... and you highlighting Torres is exactly my point! - if they'd spent better in recent seasons (and hadn't had the while managerial fiasco) they'd probably be in a title race instead of finishing 6th.

That's why we NEED to be run with greater efficiency than we currently are. We need to be maximising every aspect of our club from making sure we bring in great players within budget, be more efficient on wages, and be tactically superb. Which, at the moment, we're clearly not. And under Wenger and the current board, I can't say I'm confident that will change.

I've got to say though g88ner that I agree with Baba. The people using money as an excuse keep moving the goalposts. You're saying that we only came above Chelsea and Liverpool because they spent money incompetently and that City spent it competently. Well Baba can never win the argument then. If Chelsea had finished above us, you would have palmed it off as Arsenal not being able to compete with money.

[SammyDroppedHisShorts]

The man has lost it.

Some of his interviews were an embarrassment and he seems to have gained a bit of Dementia....poor management skills and poor people skills....sad to see

[frankbutcher]

The man has lost it.

Some of his interviews were an embarrassment and he seems to have gained a bit of Dementia....poor management skills and poor people skills....sad to see

Sammy - it's a well known fact that the man has a drink problem. You only need to look at the burst blood vessels in his face. It is well known anyway though.

[augie]

Told all my scouse supporting buddies that he would be a poor appointment and leading victims fc to the worst league campaign since the 1950's bears this out imo He took over a dominant team in the 80's and left them in the shit when he walked away and after spunking 100m on garbage last season history has repeated itself,
Just to echo what mc said though and say how disappointed I am that they didnt wait until after wasting 25m on walnut before they got rid of dogleash

[SammyDroppedHisShorts]

The man has lost it.

Some of his interviews were an embarrassment and he seems to have gained a bit of Dementia....poor management skills and poor people skills....sad to see

Sammy - it's a well known fact that the man has a drink problem. You only need to look at the burst blood vessels in his face. It is well known anyway though.

Yes that is the case..so has Fergie in terms of drink problems

[Babatunde]

The AKBs claim "we cannot compete" with cash rich teams, yet when it's pointed out that Pool spent 100 mil and we finished ahead of them, the position changes

Yeah, but there's a HUGE difference between Liverpool incompetently wasting £100m on Carroll, Downing, Adam and Henderson to that of Citeh buying real quality in Silva, Nasri, Yaya, Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko, etc....

It's how the money is spent.

If it's spent competently like when Abramovich forked out £millions on Drogba, Robben, Essien, Carvalho, etc. or when Real Madrid bought Ronaldo & co. then it's going to be difficult to keep up unless we keep pulling rabbits out of hats or completely change our strategy.

So yes - we CAN compete with rich teams if their money is spent incompetently like Liverpool did, Baba. But if it's spent well, then it's a different matter.

Really? There's a point in there somewhere but...
Considering the cash Chelski have spent on Mata, Torres, Ramires, Cahill etc...you still haven't explained how Arsenal are ahead of them?

I've personally had enough of hearing Arsenal fans bitching about money.
I'm sick if hearing what we "cannot" do.
That's bullshit Gazidis feeds y'all.

How rich is Kroenke?
How rich is Usmanov?
What's our wage bill again?
What's Wenger salary?

What sort of reply is that?! You didn't read my post did you, Baba?

If you'd read it, you'd know that the reason I think we were able to finish ahead of Chelsea is that we CAN compete with rich teams if their money is spent incompetently. If it's spent WISELY, then of course they have an advantage. That's bloody obvious!

Chelsea have made a pigs ear out of their season, the managerial situation has been a joke, and they haven't spent well enough recently... and you highlighting Torres is exactly my point! - if they'd spent better in recent seasons (and hadn't had the while managerial fiasco) they'd probably be in a title race instead of finishing 6th.

That's why we NEED to be run with greater efficiency than we currently are. We need to be maximising every aspect of our club from making sure we bring in great players within budget, be more efficient on wages, and be tactically superb. Which, at the moment, we're clearly not. And under Wenger and the current board, I can't say I'm confident that will change.

I've got to say though g88ner that I agree with Baba. The people using money as an excuse keep moving the goalposts. You're saying that we only came above Chelsea and Liverpool because they spent money incompetently and that City spent it competently. Well Baba can never win the argument then. If Chelsea had finished above us, you would have palmed it off as Arsenal not being able to compete with money.

Thank you Frank.

So to conclude: if a team spends lots of cash, and fails like Liverpool then "money is no guarantee of success".

But if a team spends lots of money and succeeds, then "well of course they win, they spend all that money so wisely".

Right, glad we cleared that up then!

The glass half full brigade have every base covered I see!

[rodders999]

Another unemployed scouser, just what the world needs.

[g88ner]

Really? There's a point in there somewhere but...
Considering the cash Chelski have spent on Mata, Torres, Ramires, Cahill etc...you still haven't explained how Arsenal are ahead of them?

I've personally had enough of hearing Arsenal fans bitching about money.
I'm sick if hearing what we "cannot" do.
That's bullshit Gazidis feeds y'all.

How rich is Kroenke?
How rich is Usmanov?
What's our wage bill again?
What's Wenger salary?

What sort of reply is that?! You didn't read my post did you, Baba?

If you'd read it, you'd know that the reason I think we were able to finish ahead of Chelsea is that we CAN compete with rich teams if their money is spent incompetently. If it's spent WISELY, then of course they have an advantage. That's bloody obvious!

Chelsea have made a pigs ear out of their season, the managerial situation has been a joke, and they haven't spent well enough recently... and you highlighting Torres is exactly my point! - if they'd spent better in recent seasons (and hadn't had the while managerial fiasco) they'd probably be in a title race instead of finishing 6th.

That's why we NEED to be run with greater efficiency than we currently are. We need to be maximising every aspect of our club from making sure we bring in great players within budget, be more efficient on wages, and be tactically superb. Which, at the moment, we're clearly not. And under Wenger and the current board, I can't say I'm confident that will change.

I've got to say though g88ner that I agree with Baba. The people using money as an excuse keep moving the goalposts. You're saying that we only came above Chelsea and Liverpool because they spent money incompetently and that City spent it competently. Well Baba can never win the argument then. If Chelsea had finished above us, you would have palmed it off as Arsenal not being able to compete with money.

Thank you Frank.

So to conclude: if a team spends lots of cash, and fails like Liverpool then "money is no guarantee of success".

But if a team spends lots of money and succeeds, then "well of course they win, they spend all that money so wisely".

Right, glad we cleared that up then!

The glass half full brigade have every base covered I see!

I still think we're agreeing

Ok, so when does money come into it? or is that card never valid?

Write a list of the most successful teams in europe's major leagues and write a list of the richest clubs in those leagues... now compare lists. Is there a striking trend emerging? of course there is.

Money is important. I'm amazed that can be disputed. It's not the only thing, and that's where we need to improve!

And frank, you say Baba can't win the argument, but why does someone have to win or lose? from what I can see, we share the same opinion. We're just coming from a different perspective.

As I've said, if we can't buy the world class players that our rivals can (and that's surely a fact) then we have to be clever. We need to be more efficient in the way we use our cash and we need to be tactically sound. And that's the problem... we're not! we're making a pigs ear of it and I think the good ship Wenger has now permanently run aground.
- I'm baffled why Baba is disagreeing with that view. I thought that was always HIS view as well?

[clockender1]

You're saying that we only came above Chelsea and Liverpool because they spent money incompetently and that City spent it competently. Well Baba can never win the argument then.

both are true.

anyone can spend money, its the quality you buy that matters.

how did Chelsea succeed ? - they bought good players. but those players aged and the replacements were flawed.

Liverpool are the same.

United have bought a few turkeys - djemba djemba, forlan etc but they spend so much and have such a big squad it hardly matters, bearing in mind they were happy to spunk 30 odd million on a junkie defender which is still over double our record transfer fee.

can we compete ? - yes, with shrewd buys and promising youth players. which is why we haven't, cos aprt from Jack and Ox our young players have been bollocks and overpaid bollocks at that.