Hillsborough Report

[flash gunner]

May I suggest people read the report and digest it before making comments which quite frankly make you look like scum
I'll help you by posting the link to the report
RIP the 96 football fans, yes football fans like all of us who tragically died through no fault of their own
http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/

Not a single person on this thread has blamed the people who died for their own death or disrespected them in any way. Personally I'm not sure who was most to blame that day but I do question just how independent this 'independent panel' is when the first thing it does is meet with the families of the 96. Surely an independent investigation of the facts wouldn't go anywhere near such high emotion, at least not right from the outset.

I'm not saying it is but its not inconceivable that this report is just as much of a whitewash as Taylor ever was.

Totally agree mate. The Bishop of Liverpool headed up this report can you imagine if he hadnt come back with a favourable outcome? He would have been hounded out of the city!!!

[augie]

To be quite honest I'm disgusted with some of the comments in this thread, innocent people died at Hillsborough due to police negligence, the people of Liverpool then had to suffer 23 years of the most vile cover up /smear campaign.
Anyone who was at games in the 80's will have stories to tell of how fans were treated, this could have happened to any club.
May I suggest people read the report and digest it before making comments which quite frankly make you look like scumI'll help you by posting the link to the report
RIP the 96 football fans, yes football fans like all of us who tragically died through no fault of their own
http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/

And maybe you should question why this report should be any more acceptable to the reports and enquiries that have been done in the past - is it because those reports havent given the scouse fans a free pass for what happened that day ? As has been said a lot of times already, there were many people and groups responsible for what happened that day but the bottom line is that if all scouse fans had of turned up on time like those that sadly lost their lives then this tragedy would never have happened - if by saying that it makes me seem like scum in your eyes then really I dont give a fcuk

[DB10GOONER]

To be quite honest I'm disgusted with some of the comments in this thread, innocent people died at Hillsborough due to police negligence, the people of Liverpool then had to suffer 23 years of the most vile cover up /smear campaign.
Anyone who was at games in the 80's will have stories to tell of how fans were treated, this could have happened to any club.
May I suggest people read the report and digest it before making comments which quite frankly make you look like scumI'll help you by posting the link to the report
RIP the 96 football fans, yes football fans like all of us who tragically died through no fault of their own
http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/

And maybe you should read what people are saying before you start mouthing off calling people scum? No one here is blaming the 96 innocent people that tragically died that day, and no one is excusing the failings of the police etc or the cover up. What people are giving out about is idiots like you that have bought into this whole "All scousers are innocent victims" bullshit. The Scouser fans that turned up late and without tickets and then pushed their way in and climbed walls to get in have got to share part of the blame and responsibility for the deaths of the innocent fans that turned up on time with tickets.

Also many many of the regulars on here were going to games in the 70's never mind the 80's.

[Trippyarsenal]

To be quite honest I'm disgusted with some of the comments in this thread, innocent people died at Hillsborough due to police negligence, the people of Liverpool then had to suffer 23 years of the most vile cover up /smear campaign.
Anyone who was at games in the 80's will have stories to tell of how fans were treated, this could have happened to any club.
May I suggest people read the report and digest it before making comments which quite frankly make you look like scumI'll help you by posting the link to the report
RIP the 96 football fans, yes football fans like all of us who tragically died through no fault of their own
http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/

And maybe you should read what people are saying before you start mouthing off calling people scum? No one here is blaming the 96 innocent people that tragically died that day, and no one is excusing the failings of the police etc or the cover up. What people are giving out about is idiots like you that have bought into this whole "All scousers are innocent victims" bullshit. The Scouser fans that turned up late and without tickets and then pushed their way in and climbed walls to get in have got to share part of the blame and responsibility for the deaths of the innocent fans that turned up on time with tickets.


FYI the Taylor report stated as fact that the leppings lane end was not overfull and contain around the same number of people as tickets sold, if you look at the CCTV people were jumping the gates etc to get away from the crush caused outside, the deaths were caused by incorrect policing and stewarding which allowed 2000+ to enter an already overflowing pen when the gates were open.
As for your turning up late comment the Taylor report dealt with that one, their were unannounced roadworks which caused delays, their was only 14( I think, if not the no was incredibly low ) turnstiles which kept seizing, totally inadequate for the number of fans attending, add to that the fact that the fans were advised to arrive in their seats 15 mins before kick off.
Tbh there's not one argument on this thread I couldn't shoot down in flames, I will repeat what I said earlier that these were football fans like you and I who didn't deserve what happened to them or the subsequent smear campaign, maybe calling people scum was a bit harsh so I apologies but please read the report and take in what is says

[flash gunner]

Answer my questions trippy.... Why liverpool? and why twice in 4 years to the same club?

[Gunnersaurus]

Answer my questions trippy.... Why liverpool? and why twice in 4 years to the same club?

...and why after everything that happened in the history of that club did they got to Athens in 2007 and boast about getting in without tickets and with forged tickets with reports of fighting and stealing of tickets amoungst their own?

After the tragedy that was Hillsborough why did they not learn any lessons from it and why did they go into 2007 risking another tragedy due to their own selfish and irresponsible actions?

[DB10GOONER]

And maybe you should read what people are saying before you start mouthing off calling people scum? No one here is blaming the 96 innocent people that tragically died that day, and no one is excusing the failings of the police etc or the cover up. What people are giving out about is idiots like you that have bought into this whole "All scousers are innocent victims" bullshit. The Scouser fans that turned up late and without tickets and then pushed their way in and climbed walls to get in have got to share part of the blame and responsibility for the deaths of the innocent fans that turned up on time with tickets.


FYI the Taylor report stated as fact that the leppings lane end was not overfull and contain around the same number of people as tickets sold, if you look at the CCTV people were jumping the gates etc to get away from the crush caused outside, the deaths were caused by incorrect policing and stewarding which allowed 2000+ to enter an already overflowing pen when the gates were open.
As for your turning up late comment the Taylor report dealt with that one, their were unannounced roadworks which caused delays, their was only 14( I think, if not the no was incredibly low ) turnstiles which kept seizing, totally inadequate for the number of fans attending, add to that the fact that the fans were advised to arrive in their seats 15 mins before kick off.
Tbh there's not one argument on this thread I couldn't shoot down in flames, I will repeat what I said earlier that these were football fans like you and I who didn't deserve what happened to them or the subsequent smear campaign, maybe calling people scum was a bit harsh so I apologies but please read the report and take in what is says

The same Taylor report that found "consumption of alcohol before the game and attempts to enter the ground without a ticket were factors"? That Taylor report?

Although Taylor stated that these two factors only “aggravated the situation, as they were only secondary factors” it is still an acknowledgment that they were factors. To what degree they were factors is open to debate; Taylor’s report (compiled by a man that never set foot on a terrace in his life), based on “witness testimony” from Scousers (and yeah, they are going to admit some of them were responsible aren’t they?) or the experiences of thousands of fans that have witnessed the Scousers rush turnstiles at Highbury, Istanbul and Athens amongst other places?

[flash gunner]

Answer my questions trippy.... Why liverpool? and why twice in 4 years to the same club?

...and why after everything that happened in the history of that club did they got to Athens in 2007 and boast about getting in without tickets and with forged tickets with reports of fighting and stealing of tickets amoungst their own?

After the tragedy that was Hillsborough why did they not learn any lessons from it and why did they go into 2007 risking another tragedy due to their own selfish and irresponsible actions?

Every liverpool fan that did that and tried to force their way into the Grove ticketless for the quarter final of the European Cup are a disgrace to the people died in '89 and i hope they dont have the fucking nerve to go to memorial service'

[SammyDroppedHisShorts]

Oh, well. This just rumbles on doesn't it. To be honest, most of the world is bored rigid by all this. Blah, blah, blah, The Sun, blah, blah, blah, justice, blah, blah, blah, Victims, blah, blah, blah, racist bastards, bananas at John Barnes, Luis Suarez, never our fault, just don't mention Heysel. Bored, move on and moan about something else, mousers.

Shhhhhhhhhh, you're not allowed to speak about that

God forbid if somebody might actually point out that despite obvious incompetence and scandalous mismanagement the South Yorks Police in no way "murdered" any Liverpool fans, what Liverpool fans did at Heysel was far closer to murder.

The continued protests etc over Hillsbrough (regardless of how justified they are) are ridiculous when Mousers continually just banish Heysel to a 'different era' and brush it under the carpet. How about convictions for the Liverpool fans who caused the deaths of innocent fans? How would they have received repeated demands from the Juve fans for enquiry and stringing up the fans responsible? Probably in the same way as when Michael Shields got banged up, crying out that they were again being victimised.

I wasn't around in the 1980s so I don't have first-hand experience of the hooliganism etc of that era, but I will say this: the stadium at Heysel may have been crumbling and the police made some shocking mistakes at Hillsbrough, but these stadiums and methods proved capable of holding hundreds of other fixtures that decade without problem. Did these incidents just coincidentally happen to involve Liverpool? In my view no, their fans were culpable in both events to varying degrees. BBC News have just showed footage of hundreds of Liverpool fans on that day pushing outside Hillsbrough and fans climbing over walls into the ground whilst declaring that the fans were doomed before they got there and the ground was a death trap.

That is not to say that I disagree with the families pursuing justice or the offenders being brought to punishment. I just completely don't accept that Liverpool fans can blindly bleat on about their repeated victimhood whilst ignoring the fans role in this and indeed at Heysel. Many fans were partly responsible for turning up late, without tickets and trying to force their way in regardless, and the fuckers tried to do it again at the CL final in Istanbul in 2005. Shameless.

Excellent post mate.

Spot on in my eyes...HEYSEL was disgusting. As a 13 year old kid I watched that shameful night on TV and it still smacks me with disgust that 39 people lay dead yet an hour later they played the game!!! It was the worst act of murder at a football ground ever and I still hold Liverpool fully responsible for that night....justice for the 39..that night still makes me very angry.

[DB10GOONER]

Sorry lads, we are not allowed to mention Heysel because the lovely innocent Liverpool fans don’t believe we should mention any victims that aren't Mousers.

[I still Exiled-Gooner]

I like many on here believe this to be a whitewash to exonerate the bindippers for there part in this tragedy.....i mean i remember BBc news showing CCTV footage of the scousers running up the road to join others massing round the turnstiles after 3pm,CCTV footage of police holding the gates back as scousers were pushing them trying to get in(the gates were plainly shown to be buckling and swaying due to actions of the fans) and also footage ,of once the fans were let in,instead of fanning out into less filled part of the stand there pushed there way towards behind the goal which was already plainly full!!.There also read statements from a couple of local publicans of the pubs the scousers used which said that there were still buying drinks at 10 to and 5 to 3.....and this from the BBC who are not exactly police friendly or is it that the police made them do it????.No didn't see this in any report,so whose covering up ?.

This tragedy was before a murmur until the last government changed the compo laws and really since then the momentum has intensified which is a coincidence.....isn't it??.My condolences to the 96 innocent victims BUT this report which gives no blame to those scouse fans who really cause this disaster is a cover up in it's self,same the city of Liverpool doesn't have the same desire to clear up the Heysel murders....sorry incident Be ready for the continous saga of victims fc and there quest for sympathy etc,etc,etc.

[SammyDroppedHisShorts]

HEYSEL

Justice for the 39

[Gunnersaurus]

HEYSEL

Justice for the 39

Shhhh, this doesn't fit in to this week.

[flash gunner]

HEYSEL

Justice for the 39

Was there a single liverpool fan named/convicted of chasing those poor italians into that wall?

[SammyDroppedHisShorts]

HEYSEL

Justice for the 39

Was there a single liverpool fan named/convicted of chasing those poor italians into that wall?

Not from what I recall........time for a new inquiry