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1989 wrote:Sort of thread title you would see only on a Spurs forum.
After all, he was responsible for denying them the chance to finish ahead of us two seasons in a row.
1989, I agree with the vast majority of what you say on different threads but I cannot agree with you here - is this the same defender that was getting royally raped prior to last christmas ? Did he look a quality defender alongside tv5 ? If not then maybe his improved performances are as much if not more down to bfg than anything he is doing himself ?
There is no doubt amongst the vast majority of fans that our club no longer has any ambitions to raise any higher than we are However when players like cesc, henry and to a lesser degree rvp, mouth off about this lack of ambition then you can argue that they have earned the right to do so but kos has done nowhere near enough for our club to justify it. Conversely, when someone like lesbo nasri or greedybayor does it then you know full well it is all about the ££££ so maybe lefty is right in this case (a rarety in itself ) and it is about a payrise
The Rarity would be you spelling correctly
And I think I mentioned Mert helping Kos before you too
So that's twice
Grammatically speaking that should be 'helping Kos before you' OR 'helping Kos before you did'
and of course you are abbreviating his name....Gosh! whatever next!
skizz_b wrote:non-story IMO, we finally have a decent CB pairing in Kos and Mert and as usual the media are trying to rock the Arsenal boat. don't buy it.
if he DOES leave because we don't sign anybody, we know, as per, who is to blame.
So now its all Mertersackers fault ??
lol
it's always his fault!! most consistent defender last season yet he was at fault for 90% of the goals we conceded according to some! even the ones when he wasn't playing!
Well done you average prick. The one decent chance we had to win a trophy was your personal fault and nobody else's......so take your sorry ass back to Ligue 2 after a season of benchwarming at Barca
I play centre back and love nothing more than to watch a quality centre back performance which i've seen him do numerous times this season....pace, interceptions, chucking his body in the in the way of shots and very good on the ball! I'm telling you now laurent koscielnys a sublime defender....not an average one.
Then you'll also NOT appreciate a centre back who regularly gets roughed up by the likes of Roberts, Zamora, Kevin Davies etc, which is what happens to Koscielny on a regular basis
kevin davies against koscielny 214 mins zero goals conceded in fact kos nicked 1 in the 4-1 win v bolton in 10/11
Although he is a Hammer, even Martin Samuels knows the score......
Lippy Laurent takes a liberty
"Laurent Koscielny was excellent for Arsenal at the end of last season, arguably the best player in the run that propelled them into the Champions League. He was not so wonderful, however, that the club should take kindly to his challenge that he will look elsewhere if the quality of their summer signings do not meet his approval.
Wayne Rooney was similarly demanding of Manchester United, whose purchase of Robin van Persie relegated him to the bench in key matches. Don’t think the same couldn’t happen to Koscielny if Arsenal’s escalation of financial firepower is genuine. He hasn’t been good for long enough to start calling the shots."
Well done you average prick. The one decent chance we had to win a trophy was your personal fault and nobody else's......so take your sorry ass back to Ligue 2 after a season of benchwarming at Barca
I play centre back and love nothing more than to watch a quality centre back performance which i've seen him do numerous times this season....pace, interceptions, chucking his body in the in the way of shots and very good on the ball! I'm telling you now laurent koscielnys a sublime defender....not an average one.
Then you'll also NOT appreciate a centre back who regularly gets roughed up by the likes of Roberts, Zamora, Kevin Davies etc, which is what happens to Koscielny on a regular basis
kevin davies against koscielny 214 mins zero goals conceded in fact kos nicked 1 in the 4-1 win v bolton in 10/11
Can I have the stats on the other two please.......Roberts makes him look like a ballerina every time we play them and Zamora's nailed him a few times (certainly when they beat us 2-1 at the Cottage) and then a few weeks later when we played against him at QPR he bullied him all over the park again.
My point is that the bloke is an average centre half with physical shortcomings against tough strikers. Roberts made him look a fucking idiot in that 5-7 at Reading. He isn't anywhere near good enough to start telling the club what his demands are......and as for the 'special circumstances' goal at Wembley - 100% his fault and not Chesney. Complete lack of composure in a pressure situation (again roughed up all day by Zigic)
Well done you average prick. The one decent chance we had to win a trophy was your personal fault and nobody else's......so take your sorry ass back to Ligue 2 after a season of benchwarming at Barca
I play centre back and love nothing more than to watch a quality centre back performance which i've seen him do numerous times this season....pace, interceptions, chucking his body in the in the way of shots and very good on the ball! I'm telling you now laurent koscielnys a sublime defender....not an average one.
Then you'll also NOT appreciate a centre back who regularly gets roughed up by the likes of Roberts, Zamora, Kevin Davies etc, which is what happens to Koscielny on a regular basis
kevin davies against koscielny 214 mins zero goals conceded in fact kos nicked 1 in the 4-1 win v bolton in 10/11
Can I have the stats on the other two please.......Roberts makes him look like a ballerina every time we play them and Zamora's nailed him a few times (certainly when they beat us 2-1 at the Cottage) and then a few weeks later when we played against him at QPR he bullied him all over the park again.
My point is that the bloke is an average centre half with physical shortcomings against tough strikers. Roberts made him look a fucking idiot in that 5-7 at Reading. He isn't anywhere near good enough to start telling the club what his demands are......and as for the 'special circumstances' goal at Wembley - 100% his fault and not Chesney. Complete lack of composure in a pressure situation (again roughed up all day by Zigic)
And Torres has made Vidic look a mug on more than one occasion. Defenders will have bad games from time to time. Doesn't make them average.
But tbf mm99, vidic has looked a world class centre half in 95-98% of his games for those manc cnuts whilst kos cant come close to that record. There is no shame in that per se cos I rate vidic as one of the best centre halves to play in the prem over the last decade, but kos isnt anywhere near the level yet and I still feel that he has nowhere near earned the right to make comments like he has and I say that as one of his supporters on here
augie wrote:But tbf mm99, vidic has looked a world class centre half in 95-98% of his games for those manc cnuts whilst kos cant come close to that record. There is no shame in that per se cos I rate vidic as one of the best centre halves to play in the prem over the last decade, but kos isnt anywhere near the level yet and I still feel that he has nowhere near earned the right to make comments like he has and I say that as one of his supporters on here
You're 100% right, aguie. Kos hasn't earnt the right to be making those kind of comments. However, that's not what I was taking issue to. My point was that having a bad game here and there against certain strikers doesn't make a defender average. The likes of Glen Johnson are average. Steven Taylor is average. Koscielny, whilst not world class, is not average.
Hard to forget Torres taking Vidic to pieces on more than one occasion - and he did well and truly make a mug of him - but that was a world-class striker at his best. It's not like Vidic was regularly shown up by strikers with one particular asset (e.g. pace, guile, strength, height). Just that for 3 or 4 games Torres had the wood on him.
Whereas for me there are still question marks over Koscielny when he comes up against a physical centre-forward who loves putting it about and especially playing with his back to goal. The thought of him hauling down Dzeko out of sheer panic this season still gives me nightmares. And although lost in the grand scheme of things, one moment from the 7-1 demolition of Blackburn last season remains with me. We were 1-0 up having dicked them for 20-30 mins, Modeste 25 yards out with his back to goal and a difficult bouncing ball to control, and Koscielny completely panicked and needlessly hauled him down - and when Pedersen tucked in the free-kick they were level out of nowhere.
Last few months I can't remember any such mishaps from him but for me at least he still has a lot to do to prove that it isn't a major weakness in his game, and one that will (continue to) be exploited.
northbank123 wrote:Hard to forget Torres taking Vidic to pieces on more than one occasion - and he did well and truly make a mug of him - but that was a world-class striker at his best. It's not like Vidic was regularly shown up by strikers with one particular asset (e.g. pace, guile, strength, height). Just that for 3 or 4 games Torres had the wood on him.
Whereas for me there are still question marks over Koscielny when he comes up against a physical centre-forward who loves putting it about and especially playing with his back to goal. The thought of him hauling down Dzeko out of sheer panic this season still gives me nightmares. And although lost in the grand scheme of things, one moment from the 7-1 demolition of Blackburn last season remains with me. We were 1-0 up having dicked them for 20-30 mins, Modeste 25 yards out with his back to goal and a difficult bouncing ball to control, and Koscielny completely panicked and needlessly hauled him down - and when Pedersen tucked in the free-kick they were level out of nowhere.
Last few months I can't remember any such mishaps from him but for me at least he still has a lot to do to prove that it isn't a major weakness in his game, and one that will (continue to) be exploited.
Which was of course the point I was making rather than some silly argument that a player wasn't allowed the odd bad game or two. Even Bouldy, Keown and Big Tone had shit games from time to time. My point is that when I see the opposition team sheet and there's a rough-house centre forward turning out for the oppo, then Koscielny worries me. Maybe Kevin Davies was past it by the time we signed Koscielny but Roberts and Zamora are two players who terrorise him regularly, and Zigic gave him nightmares too. I think against the quicker, more technical forwards he holds his own because he has good pace and his timing in the tackle is pretty decent - probably the best of all our CBs......but watch out the next time one of the above come to town or Anichebe, Walters etc. He definitely doesn't look as comfortable against that type as some of our CBs from times gone by, and definitely not as comfortable in that situation as the likes of Vidic
northbank123 wrote:Hard to forget Torres taking Vidic to pieces on more than one occasion - and he did well and truly make a mug of him - but that was a world-class striker at his best. It's not like Vidic was regularly shown up by strikers with one particular asset (e.g. pace, guile, strength, height). Just that for 3 or 4 games Torres had the wood on him.
Whereas for me there are still question marks over Koscielny when he comes up against a physical centre-forward who loves putting it about and especially playing with his back to goal. The thought of him hauling down Dzeko out of sheer panic this season still gives me nightmares. And although lost in the grand scheme of things, one moment from the 7-1 demolition of Blackburn last season remains with me. We were 1-0 up having dicked them for 20-30 mins, Modeste 25 yards out with his back to goal and a difficult bouncing ball to control, and Koscielny completely panicked and needlessly hauled him down - and when Pedersen tucked in the free-kick they were level out of nowhere.
Last few months I can't remember any such mishaps from him but for me at least he still has a lot to do to prove that it isn't a major weakness in his game, and one that will (continue to) be exploited.
Which was of course the point I was making rather than some silly argument that a player wasn't allowed the odd bad game or two. Even Bouldy, Keown and Big Tone had shit games from time to time. My point is that when I see the opposition team sheet and there's a rough-house centre forward turning out for the oppo, then Koscielny worries me. Maybe Kevin Davies was past it by the time we signed Koscielny but Roberts and Zamora are two players who terrorise him regularly, and Zigic gave him nightmares too. I think against the quicker, more technical forwards he holds his own because he has good pace and his timing in the tackle is pretty decent - probably the best of all our CBs......but watch out the next time one of the above come to town or Anichebe, Walters etc. He definitely doesn't look as comfortable against that type as some of our CBs from times gone by, and definitely not as comfortable in that situation as the likes of Vidic
Agree, that a big powerful centre forward has always been our nadir (think Drogba) neither Kos nor Per have the physicality to deal with these type of player (Grant Chuffing Holt ffs )
Which was why Samba or someone of his build a year or two back would have been ideal to cope with that type of opponent.
Also think that all the tippy tappy training sessions (which I have witnessed at Colney prior to playing Stoke and got told that no we don't moderate the sessions to plan for the opposition ) do nothing to help our defence prepare for an ariel onslought or a roughing up.
However when players like cesc, henry and to a lesser degree rvp, mouth off about this lack of ambition then you can argue that they have earned the right to do so but kos has done nowhere near enough for our club to justify it. Conversely, when someone like lesbo nasri or greedybayor does it then you know full well it is all about the ££££ so maybe lefty is right in this case (a rarety in itself
) and it is about a payrise
